The true transmission of the Gospel through time

[ResidentAlien]

I watched a YouTube video and this guy was saying the true transmission of the Gospel was through the following channels:

Christ​

Apostles​

Paul​

Paulicians​

Novations​

Donatists​

Cathari​

Waldenses​

Albegenses​

Lollards​

Ana-Baptists​

Baptists​

Has anyone studied this? Does this look like anything resembling truth? I've heard of some of these groups, and yes they were persecuted by the Catholics as heretics. But can it be said they all taught and followed the true gospel of Christ? Does it look like an accurate list?

The guy is a Free Will Baptist so it's no surprise Baptists would be included.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I watched a YouTube video and this guy was saying the true transmission of the Gospel was through the following channels:

Christ​

Apostles​

Paul​

Paulicians​

Novations​

Donatists​

Cathari​

Waldenses​

Albegenses​

Lollards​

Ana-Baptists​

Baptists​

Has anyone studied this? Does this look like anything resembling truth? I've heard of some of these groups, and yes they were persecuted by the Catholics as heretics. But can it be said they all taught and followed the true gospel of Christ? Does it look like an accurate list?

The guy is a Free Will Baptist so it's no surprise Baptists would be included.

This is a terrible answer compared to the amount of time you put into your post, but my opinion is that anyone who delivers a "gospel" that does not include Spiritual Circumcision is a total waste of time. That person hasn't a clue as to the True Gospel of Jesus.

 

[Blik]

We live in a world with time, God lives in a world of eternity where there is no time. The gospel is of eternity, and God gifted it with humans as soon as Adam and Eve let sin in among us to kill.

All saints have transmitted the gospel over all our time.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The guy is a Free Will Baptist so it's no surprise Baptists would be included.

Well you should read The History of the Baptists by Thomas Armitage. It pretty well presents that view, and he has done a fair bit of research. You can find it here and also find it on Amazon: https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfTheBaptists.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Well you should read The History of the Baptists by Thomas Armitage. It pretty well presents that view, and he has done a fair bit of research. You can find it here and also find it on Amazon: https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfTheBaptists.

Thank you. I downloaded it and I'll check it out.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I found a revised edition of this book if anyone might be interested. It has a supplemental chapter that covers from 1886 to the present, which would be 1893. The original was published in 1886. That's only seven years difference so I don't know how much was added. But it's illustrated with 160 engravings which is a nice touch.

https://archive.org/details/historyofbaptis00armi/page/n5/mode/1up

 

[ResidentAlien]

Now it gets interesting. Right off the bat, Armitage states in his opening chapter, "Have We a Visible Succession of Baptist Churches Down From the Apostles?":

"Such evidence cannot be traced by any Church on earth, and would be utterly worthless if it could, because the real legitimacy of Christianity must be found in the New Testament, and nowhere else. The very attempt to trace an unbroken line of persons duly baptized upon their personal trust in Christ, or of ministers ordained by lineal descent from the apostles, or of churches organized upon these principles, and adhering to the New Testament in all things, is in itself an attempt to erect a bulwark of error."​

In the video I watched, the guy uses a book called Trail of Blood by J. M. Carroll as a reference. It was published after Armitage's book (1931)

https://archive.org/details/TheTrailOfBlood

I also found a graph that's a recreation from Carroll's original. It shows "Baptist" churches going all the way back to the original apostolic church. Apparently the original churches were Baptists.

Here's a link to the graph:

http://gochristianhelps.com/books/c/carrollj/the_trail_of_blood_timeline.pdf

There's also an original image from Carroll's book at Wikipedia's article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trail_of_Blood

There's a list of books used as reference sources at the end of Carroll's book. Interestingly, Armitage's book wasn't used.

 

[pottersclay]

True transmission just what is that? Most truest transmission is our own testamonies of what the christ has done for us.

 

[Isaskar]

This is just baptist propaganda.

The Cathari was a gnostic group. Definitely not baptist.

Donatists argued that Christian clergy must be faultless for their ministry to be effective and their prayers and sacraments to be valid. That is definitely not baptists who are usually once saved always saved.

Paulicians rejected the trinity so once again no for baptists, they also were allegedly adoptionists, who believed Jesus became a son only at His baptism.

Novatianism taught that certain sins were “mortal,” at least so far as the earthly church was concerned. Mortal sins included apostasy, adultery, idolatry, and so forth. According to the Novatian view, anyone guilty of such sins was outside the church’s power to offer forgiveness. Such sinners might be pardoned by God, but they could not be admitted back into the congregation nor offered sacraments nor given absolution. This is definitely not baptists again who say come as you are, and they have people living in open sin in their congregations and no one says a thing.

I won't even go over the rest, but the "chain" or transmission claim is already falsified by this. Just like the claims of Rome are easily refuted.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Good luck with the Baptist church. The lasts church is regularly attended was baptist and I (and my friend) realized that after 7 months of faithful attendance, not one time did we remember the "pastor" reference the name Jesus. The people of that church knew nothing of the Gospel; that church had no programs for which to participate; they were completely ineffective. BUT . . . they sure filled the collection plate.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Paulicians rejected the trinity so once again no for baptists, they also were allegedly adoptionists, who believed Jesus became a son only at His baptism.

"They [Paulicians] circulated the Scriptures freely, read them publicly, believed in the light of the spirit in believers, denied baptism in water, and were much more like the Quakers than they were like the Baptists."—Armitage, A History of the Baptists, Revised Edition, pg. 62

Doesn't sound too Baptist. I don't know, this is just what Armitage says.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I watched a YouTube video and this guy was saying the true transmission of the Gospel was through the following channels:

Christ​

Apostles​

Paul​

Paulicians​

Novations​

Donatists​

Cathari​

Waldenses​

Albegenses​

Lollards​

Ana-Baptists​

Baptists​

Has anyone studied this? Does this look like anything resembling truth? I've heard of some of these groups, and yes they were persecuted by the Catholics as heretics. But can it be said they all taught and followed the true gospel of Christ? Does it look like an accurate list?

The guy is a Free Will Baptist so it's no surprise Baptists would be included.

Bravo! Most have no idea about what happened in church history, and how things developed as they did, and thus have an incorrect understanding about end times prophecy. I bet not one in 1,000 CC members know that the term "Boogeyman" comes from the papist mischaracterization of the "Bogemills" who were among those on the list you mentioned. The children were told that these sincere anti-papal Christians were monsters who "drank the blood" and "ate the flesh" of humans, a distortion of their communion practice.

For a detailed study into early church history when the "woman fled into the wilderness" from the face of the papacy, check out "Maybe on Sunday" on Youtube. It's informational value far exceeds it's theatrical value, but it's well worth checking out