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soberxp

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Are you denying the divinity of Jesus? That is the broad path.
Maybe you understand wrong or I wrote it wrong meaning.
I will not disbelieve Jesus Just because he is not God
 

Magenta

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Maybe you understand wrong or I wrote it wrong meaning.
I will not disbelieve Jesus Just because he is not God
Are you in China? There are a lot of people there. Not sure what you are
trying to say except for the fact you think you are somehow better than.


Could you please clarify? Jesus is God, yes or no?
 

soberxp

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Are you in China? There are a lot of people there. Not sure what you are
trying to say except for the fact you think you are somehow better than.


Could you please clarify? Jesus is God, yes or no?
Of course, I am in China.
JESUS is the image of God.
I am not sure he is God.
but I am sure he is man.
 

Magenta

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Of course, I am in China.
There are millions and millions and millions more people living where you are than where I live.
There are less than half of a hundred million people here.
There are almost 1.5 billion people where you are.


I'm walking on a road few people have walked, and you're walking on a wide continent stepped out by people.

JESUS is the image of God.
I am not sure he is God.
but I am sure he is man.
Perhaps reading the Bible would help clear that up for you.

I suggest starting with John chapter one, verse one:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read down past verse 14 which states: The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.

Of course, there are many many more verses that help clarify this issue.

No need to stay in the dark about it.
 

soberxp

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There are millions and millions and millions more people living where you are than where I live.
There are less than half of a hundred million people here.
There are almost 1.5 billion people where you are.





Perhaps reading the Bible would help clear that up for you.

I suggest starting with John chapter one, verse one:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read down past verse 14 which states: The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.

Of course, there are many many more verses that help clarify this issue.

No need to stay in the dark about it.
Ok, thanks.
but if Jesus is God, then God is son of God....then God has no son.......then Islam is right.........
 

soberxp

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Why else would you suggest Islam is right?
Idols are not truth,The meaning of not worshipping idols is to learn the truth.
If Koran says truth ,Why should I oppose it?
I Just learning the truth,not worship idols.
 

Magenta

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Idols are not truth,The meaning of not worshipping idols is to learn the truth.
If Koran says truth ,Why should I oppose it?
I Just learning the truth,not worship idols.
That's a pretty big if. Do you deny that Jesus is the Truth? It is what He said of Himself.

Jesus also also said, "No one comes to the Father except through me."

I again suggest you read the Bible if you are looking for truth. Not the Quran.

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, He saw the heavens breaking open and the Spirit descending
on Him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”


When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”

Those excerpts are from Matthew 3, Mark 1, and Luke 3 respectively.

Seems like you idolize the Quran. Quran denies Jesus' crucifixion. Do you do that, too?
 

soberxp

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That's a pretty big if. Do you deny that Jesus is the Truth? It is what He said of Himself.

Jesus also also said, "No one comes to the Father except through me."

I again suggest you read the Bible if you are looking for truth. Not the Quran.

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, He saw the heavens breaking open and the Spirit descending
on Him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”


When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”

Those excerpts are from Matthew 3, Mark 1, and Luke 3 respectively.

Seems like you idolize the Quran. Quran denies Jesus' crucifixion. Do you do that, too?
I didn't say I don't believe in Jesus, I believe in Jesus, so you won't understand what I mean.
 

Magenta

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I didn't say I don't believe in Jesus, I believe in Jesus, so you won't understand what I mean.
You speak of idols as if you don't have them, pretending you have knowledge others don't because you claim to walk some narrow path others don't while you promote the Quran as if it contains truth while essentially admitting you do not know Who Jesus is.
 

soberxp

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You speak of idols as if you don't have them, pretending you have knowledge others don't because you claim to walk some narrow path others don't while you promote the Quran as if it contains truth while essentially admitting you do not know Who Jesus is.
John 12:44
Jesus loud out, "whoever believes in me does not believe in me, but in him who sent me.
 

true_believer

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So you are Christian now, Read Bible then read Qur'an, you will find that Extremist Muslims are on the wrong path as Qur'an wrote.
Apostasy is frowned upon in Islam regardless if one is an extremist or not.
 

Gideon300

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If the United States is also a religious country, then he did not love his enemies. When 9 / 11 happened, why didn't a priest say to Bush, when you love your enemies, but revenge?
You can't blame the majority for the problems of a few extremists.
No one is perfect.we all have sin.
You won't find "love your enemies" in the Qur'an. It's a book of bloodshed and vengeance. And how do you know that a priest did not advise Bush not to take revenge? And there is a difference between a personal attack on an individual and a group that declares war on a nation. Should America have let Japan take over Pearl Harbor? Let Japan have the Philippines without a fight? What would you have done?

A few extremists? You have to be kidding. Try being a non-Muslim in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim majority nation. Mohamed was a bloodthirsty, murdering paedophile. Islam calls him the "ideal man". Who would accept a religion that portrayed Adolf Hitler as the ideal man? Yet Mohamed was just as evil as Hitler. At least Hitler slept with an adult female, not a 9 year old girl.

Some religions will ostracise those who change religion. In Islam, it is a death sentence. If the threat of death is necessary to keep people in the religion, it's not much of a recommendation. Personally, I would outlaw Islam just as Nazism is outlawed in Western countries.
 

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If the United States is also a religious country, then he did not love his enemies. When 9 / 11 happened, why didn't a priest say to Bush, when you love your enemies, but revenge?
You can't blame the majority for the problems of a few extremists.
No one is perfect.we all have sin.
Are we still on this? It is tiresome.
 

Gideon300

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So you are Christian now, Read Bible then read Qur'an, you will find that Extremist Muslims are on the wrong path as Qur'an wrote.
Really? Just a few quotes from the Qur'an re infidels. Infidels are those who do not accept the religion of the majority. It means "unfaithful", the same root as the word infidelity. Since Muslims consider Islam to be the only true religion, all non Muslims are considered to be infidels.

There is at least one Muslim group that has rejected the violence of traditional Islam; the Ahmadi is one such group. They are rejected by other Muslims. Not nearly violent enough, it seems.
 

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soberxp

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Really? Just a few quotes from the Qur'an re infidels. Infidels are those who do not accept the religion of the majority. It means "unfaithful", the same root as the word infidelity. Since Muslims consider Islam to be the only true religion, all non Muslims are considered to be infidels.

There is at least one Muslim group that has rejected the violence of traditional Islam; the Ahmadi is one such group. They are rejected by other Muslims. Not nearly violent enough, it seems.
I have seen the PDF,These English translations are different from Chinese translations.
So odd.
 

soberxp

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You won't find "love your enemies" in the Qur'an. It's a book of bloodshed and vengeance. And how do you know that a priest did not advise Bush not to take revenge? And there is a difference between a personal attack on an individual and a group that declares war on a nation. Should America have let Japan take over Pearl Harbor? Let Japan have the Philippines without a fight? What would you have done?

A few extremists? You have to be kidding. Try being a non-Muslim in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim majority nation. Mohamed was a bloodthirsty, murdering paedophile. Islam calls him the "ideal man". Who would accept a religion that portrayed Adolf Hitler as the ideal man? Yet Mohamed was just as evil as Hitler. At least Hitler slept with an adult female, not a 9 year old girl.

Some religions will ostracise those who change religion. In Islam, it is a death sentence. If the threat of death is necessary to keep people in the religion, it's not much of a recommendation. Personally, I would outlaw Islam just as Nazism is outlawed in Western countries.
If you think so, so be it.
 

soberxp

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I think you should find a book with proper translation. The current English version of the Koran is not good for available