The truth behind the Law

[Ahwatukee]

My understanding of it, is that I have received God/Jesus in my mind,heart,and soul. And have asked him to show me how to live through his eyes. And I'm saved because one I have repented, and I have faith and believe that he is indeed going to show me the way. But if this is incorrect, please enlighten me on the correct way.

Jesus didn't die for you so that you could to continue to attempt to keep something that the word of God already says we can't keep. He died for you to free you from the curse of the Law. We are under a completely different covenant. We follow Christ. When we sin, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Consider the following:

"What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone"

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

Your name....perfectly imperfect is beautiful and speaks THE TRUTH

Thank you!

 

[PennEd]

My understanding of it, is that I have received God/Jesus in my mind,heart,and soul. And have asked him to show me how to live through his eyes. And I'm saved because one I have repented, and I have faith and believe that he is indeed going to show me the way. But if this is incorrect, please enlighten me on the correct way.

Hi sister. The only repentance that saves is trusting the perfect Sacrifice of Jesus blood. Acknowledging Him as Lord, and belieiving He rose to life from death.

The Holy Spirit will then reveal to you how to live, and to spread the Good News of His Gospel.

 

[Rainrider]

I can make it simpler: Are you attempting to obtain salvation by live according to the Law or are you saved by grace through faith?

Long way from it. I keep law the because I am saved, not to be saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,[a] before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you[b] as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[c]7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”[d] 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
[h=3]The Law Brings a Curse[/h]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[e] 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[f] 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[g]
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Purpose of the Law

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring usto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

I think this says it all

1. It says why (to expose we have sinned and fall short of Gods glory)
2. It says the purpose (to lead us to Christ)
3. It says the meaning (cursed is everyone who does no t obey ever word perfectly)
4. Is says the consequence for whoever does not obey perfectly (cursed)
5. It says what Christ did (redeemed us from the curse)
6 it says how the law related to those who have been redeemed (no longer under the law, it has been fulfilled in them
7. It says what the Bible says about those who think they have been saved by faith, who r teach it, but must be perfected Maintain that salvation) by the law (calls them fools)

what more can be said? The rest of scripture agrees with all of these points, Paul just put them all in one area so we can see them all at once,

 

[Rainrider]

I feel those passages fit into my teachings in the following ways. One, that Jesus as you call him HaShem, has come to teach me or us, whatever have you, that it is possible to live up too God's word and obey him. Two, that until we truly obey him or learn how to truly obey him, none of his laws will every be erased. Obviously, I know I'm not Jesus and will never come close to being him, but if he was able to live without sex, alcohol, drugs, what have you. Stands no reason the rest of us shouldn't be able to do the same. That's how I personally look at it.

Now that is as good as it gets, thank you.

 

[miknik5]

Now that is as good as it gets, thank you.

If HE was able to do this then so can I is really kind of misleading


if I was able to do what HE did then HE wouldn't have had to die for me


Misleading in the sense that people are left again following the law as a check list to life instead of clinging to HIM who is OUR LIFE and OUR HOPE and our GREAT REWARD

 

[Ahwatukee]

Long way from it. I keep the because I am saved, not to be saved.

You don't keep the Law and can't keep it. We are not under the Law. We've been freed from it.

"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.

Is there a conflict, then, between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could give us new life, we could be made right with God by obeying it.But the Scriptures declare that we are all prisoners of sin, so we receive God’s promise of freedom only by believing in Jesus Christ.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

Hi sister. The only repentance that saves is trusting the perfect Sacrifice of Jesus blood. Acknowledging Him as Lord, and belieiving He rose to life from death.

The Holy Spirit will then reveal to you how to live, and to spread the Good News of His Gospel.

Okay wait, so I should acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Personally, that's a little confusing to me, as I was taught of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. But yes, I trust the perfect sacrifice of Jesus' blood. And I also believe me that he rose from death. I literally just watched risen and wanted to cry the whole time. Yes I know it's a movie, but I actually believe in Jesus, and seeing him sit next to and talk to a guy who had literally just killed him days earlier was incredible to me. And because of that and other things as well I will follow Jesus wherever he goes, so to speak...

 

[PennEd]

Shouldn't I be both. Trying to do what God's says and be saved through the faith I have in him???

Does a sheep try to be a sheep? Or is it a sheep because it's a sheep?

Once we are born again, we become His children. We don't try to be His children. We ARE His children.

The Holy Spirit will transform you to be and act like His Son. The enemy is the one who will continually accuse you before the Father AND to your self. If we love the Father with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love our neighbor as ourselves, Jesus tells us we follow the Law.

So we need to not be so sin conscious, and focus on who we are, and show people who we are by love.

 

[miknik5]

Okay wait, so I should acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Personally, that's a little confusing to me, as I was taught of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. But yes, I trust the perfect sacrifice of Jesus' blood. And I also believe me that he rose from death. I literally just watched risen and wanted to cry the whole time. Yes I know it's a movie, but I actually believe in Jesus, and seeing him sit next to and talk to a guy who had literally just killed him days earlier was incredible to me. And because of that and other things as well I will follow Jesus wherever he goes, so to speak...

How do you understand this TRUTH...JESUS LIVES

and do you believe that all authority has been given HIM...now.

 

[Rainrider]

You don't keep the Law and can't keep it. We are not under the Law. We've been freed from it.

"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.

Is there a conflict, then, between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could give us new life, we could be made right with God by obeying it.But the Scriptures declare that we are all prisoners of sin, so we receive God’s promise of freedom only by believing in Jesus Christ.

As you wish. Though you will find that I never said teh Law would bring slavation. In fact I have said many times, and will say many more times the Salvation has always and will always come by faith. Even Abraham was granted salvation not by owkrs but by faith.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

If HE was able to do this then so can I is really kind of misleading


if I was able to do what HE did then HE wouldn't have had to die for me


Misleading in the sense that people are left again following the law as a check list to life instead of clinging to HIM who is OUR LIFE and OUR HOPE and our GREAT REWARD

Yes but you can cling to him and follow his law, but obviously because I'm human I'm not ever going to be perfect. And I tried to make that clear, sorry if it didn't come across that way.

 

[PennEd]

Okay wait, so I should acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Personally, that's a little confusing to me, as I was taught of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. But yes, I trust the perfect sacrifice of Jesus' blood. And I also believe me that he rose from death. I literally just watched risen and wanted to cry the whole time. Yes I know it's a movie, but I actually believe in Jesus, and seeing him sit next to and talk to a guy who had literally just killed him days earlier was incredible to me. And because of that and other things as well I will follow Jesus wherever he goes, so to speak...

You are a breath of fresh air!

You're going to be ok. Jesus is God in the Flesh. Have no worries. He will reveal truths to you little by little. Just know you are greatly loved by Him and your brothers and sisters in Christ!

 

[Rainrider]

My understanding of it, is that I have received God/Jesus in my mind,heart,and soul. And have asked him to show me how to live through his eyes. And I'm saved because one I have repented, and I have faith and believe that he is indeed going to show me the way. But if this is incorrect, please enlighten me on the correct way.

You nailed it my friend. Like the word tells us, you may have posted scripture, yet you have it right. Hold on to that, and I will lift you in pray that He will show the true path.

 

[miknik5]

Okay wait, so I should acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Personally, that's a little confusing to me, as I was taught of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. But yes, I trust the perfect sacrifice of Jesus' blood. And I also believe me that he rose from death. I literally just watched risen and wanted to cry the whole time. Yes I know it's a movie, but I actually believe in Jesus, and seeing him sit next to and talk to a guy who had literally just killed him days earlier was incredible to me. And because of that and other things as well I will follow Jesus wherever he goes, so to speak...

Yes but you can cling to him and follow his law, but obviously because I'm human I'm not ever going to be perfect. And I tried to make that clear, sorry if it didn't come across that way.

Okay. But if you don't mind, what did you mean by your above sentence:

okay wait, so I should acknowledge Jesus as Lord

to me, it implied that you don't?

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

How do you understand this TRUTH...JESUS LIVES

and do you believe that all authority has been given HIM...now.

I understand that truth as Jesus is the light, and he that walketh in the light, shall not walk in darkness. Do I believe he has authority absolutely, but I believe God is the boss. At least right now, because I am still learning after all. So maybe given time, and God showing me things in ways that I understand, I'll come to understand things in a similar fashion. And maybe I never will because after all even though we believe, we may always have different understandings based on our teachings being different.

 

[Grace777x70]

Galatians 3:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

The reason I don't get into long debates about law-keeping is that it is useless and unprofitable and Paul says to avoid them.

Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies andstrife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

I'd rather talk about Christ and all that He has already done for us in the cross and resurrection because it is the "hearing of Him - NOT the law" that brings true life and true faith and this supplies the proper "nutrients" for the true believer in Christ to grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

 

[PerfectlyImperfect]

Okay. But if you don't mind, what did you mean by your above sentence:

okay wait, so I should acknowledge Jesus as Lord

to me, it implied that you don't?

No I acknowledge Jesus as Jesus, and The Lord as the Lord, however if that is incorrect again I'm sorry that's what I was taught. But if I should acknowledge him as the Lord, I have no problem with that. It's going to take some practice and getting used to though.

 

[Rainrider]

Jesus didn't die for you so that you could to continue to attempt to keep something that the word of God already says we can't keep. He died for you to free you from the curse of the Law. We are under a completely different covenant. We follow Christ. When we sin, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Consider the following:

As I posted passage for, with out Law there is no sin counted against us. We can not have the Law removed and still have sin to repent from. Rom.5:8
So what is it, we have sin counted against us, meaning the Law is valid, or we don't and the Law is removed? Kind of a hard place to put ones self if you ask me. I wouldn't want to answer that the wrong way.

"What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone"

Please note that FAITH IS once more given as the key to salvation, even in the OT. I find it hard to think that this is being over looked so easily. Kind of makes just why this is never pointed out be the followers of replacement theology.