The TWO WITNESSES

[GRACE_ambassador]

there is nothing wrong with being direct...I do it often
but what's not Christian is calling me dumb.

I am not getting into any argument with you...period!

God raises His Two Witnesses from the dead and openly translates them to Heaven, and puts a stop to the godless revelling and rejoicing of the wicked. This is not the first resurrection and rapture, that occurs soon afterwards as Rev 11v14-18, states, at the seventh trumpet.

Precious friend, I respectfully Disagree with the bold part, IF referring to
us, The Body Of CHRIST:

Great GRACE {MYSTERY} Departure @ the 2nd coming {prophecy}?

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God’s Simple Will!

 

[Hone]

I see you are saved almost (only) 5 years, and yet you seem to be setting yourself forth as a Teacher....! LOL

A bit premature I think dear boy!

Is this what they call patronising?......I'm not quite sure having been expelled 5mths into 3rd form, first year at college....age of 13
(thanks to you I know what dogmatic means)...and being a child of GOD thank you, we are only meant to speak truth.
AS Christians we are suppose to be not closed minded, or presumptuous,
I see you can tell my age through our correspondence, but it is nice to have my youthfulness acknowledged.
If a Christian has only been walking a year, but GOD saw fit to reveal things to him, who are we to judge, except only on the matters that concern GOD, by checking out what they are saying.
If you had read my little testimony you would not say the things you said. .....not very Christian...........only teach what I AM taught
Love, Peace, & Harmony

 

[Hone]

Is this what they call patronising?......I'm not quite sure having been expelled 5mths into 3rd form, first year at college....age of 13
(thanks to you I know what dogmatic means)...and being a child of GOD thank you, we are only meant to speak truth.
AS Christians we are suppose to be not closed minded, or presumptuous,
I see you can tell my age through our correspondence, but it is nice to have my youthfulness acknowledged.
If a Christian has only been walking a year, but GOD saw fit to reveal things to him, who are we to judge, except only on the matters that concern GOD, by checking out what they are saying.
If you had read my little testimony you would not say the things you said. .....not very Christian...........only teach what I AM taught
Love, Peace, & Harmony

sorry compelled to include 13yrs was also the first time I walked away from our Father

 

[Nehemiah6]

No, in Revelation 11, 1260 days are days which adds up to 42 months which, WOW, is exact amount of time beast has!

So that there will be no misunderstanding, the same time period (half of 7 years) is described as follows:
1260 days/30 = 42 months/12 = 3 1/2 years = time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time or the dividing of time (6 months). This is precision at its finest.

This in itself tells us that the 70th week of Daniel is connected to the Antichrist (the Beast) not Christ as so many mistakenly believe.

 

[ewq1938]

So that there will be no misunderstanding, the same time period (half of 7 years) is described as follows:
1260 days/30 = 42 months/12 = 3 1/2 years = time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time or the dividing of time (6 months).

That last one is a separate period of 1260 days/42 months that takes place before the great trib's 42 months. Everything in Rev 12 is before the GT.

 

[Nehemiah6]

That last one is a separate period of 1260 days/42 months that takes place before the great trib's 42 months. Everything in Rev 12 is before the GT.

They are all the same but simply described differently.

 

[ewq1938]

well the two witnesses are still prophesying today,

Nope. They are not. don't start until 42 months starts and there is no beast from sea nor false prophet ruling world.

 

[ewq1938]

They are all the same but simply described differently.

No, anything in Rev12 is before the GT

 

[Hone]

Nope. They are not. don't start until 42 months starts and there is no beast from sea nor false prophet ruling world.

First .....don't we have to unveil who the true witnesses are?....so far we have
4 prophets
2 trees
2 candle stick holders.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but GOD must have put the beast of the sea in for a reason, it must mean something we just have to discern what,...lucky all the answers are in the Bible, we just have to ask GOD to lead us,...every time we open it.
I can think of 1 big one (false prophets) who although isn't quite ruling the world, is pretty close to it..... how ever there are many false prophets out there now, "and you can tell them by their fruits"

 

[rayzor]

First .....don't we have to unveil who the true witnesses are?....so far we have
4 prophets
2 trees
2 candle stick holders.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but GOD must have put the beast of the sea in for a reason, it must mean something we just have to discern what,...lucky all the answers are in the Bible, we just have to ask GOD to lead us,...every time we open it.
I can think of 1 big one (false prophets) who although isn't quite ruling the world, is pretty close to it..... how ever there are many false prophets out there now, "and you can tell them by their fruits"

Their all with in for the kingdom is with in.If i remember the most 2s are in the book of Ester.

 

[ewq1938]

First .....don't we have to unveil who the true witnesses are?....so far we have
4 prophets
2 trees
2 candle stick holders.

The two witnesses are two olive trees (which means two prophets) and two candlesticks (which are actually olive oil lamps that two olive trees provide oil for their light/flame---candle sticks is figurative language for churches.

Two prophets and two churches. That's two witnesses. The two prophets are one witness, two churches are other and it is two prophets that are killed and the bodies left out for 3.5 days.


Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

[rayzor]

The two witnesses are two olive trees (which means two prophets) and two candlesticks (which are actually olive oil lamps that two olive trees provide oil for their light/flame---candle sticks is figurative language for churches.

Two prophets and two churches. That's two witnesses. The two prophets are one witness, two churches are other and it is two prophets that are killed and the bodies left out for 3.5 days.


Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Adam and Eve they are with in.

 

[rayzor]

“[The Gentiles] will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in ...Now look at Matthew 1:17,,,,42 generation or 14+14+14 = 42 All generations.The sackcloth is the flesh

 

[rayzor]

me thinks, imho, maybe Enoch a little higher on the payscale - he did a lot of talking with angels and he did a lot of walkin with God and next thing you know - he's gone just like that - for God took Him - cannot get any better then that.

Enoch is Jesus.

 

[Mii]

This in itself tells us that the 70th week of Daniel is connected to the Antichrist (the Beast) not Christ as so many mistakenly believe.

The Daniel stuff is still a mystery to me but agreed otherwise. Thanks for posting.

 

[Mii]

Enoch is Jesus.

Care to elaborate? This would be considered blasphemy by some without additional clarification.

I presume you made a few leaps and that isn't your intention though.

Melchizedek I could understand (somewhat) the Angel of the Lord (somewhat more...) but why would Jesus be a priest "after the order of" ...and the Angel of the Lord thing makes quite a bit of sense but there is an instance where it doesn't follow quite as well but I can't think of the instance offhand. The Joshua event is not what I mean...but I do not desire to derail with an Angel of the Lord discussion at present lol...just struck by your statement.

More likely and more scripturally (with line upon line in mind) I find that Melchizedek and Enoch are simply mystery characters. God chose to leave it that way and that's alright with me.

 

[rayzor]

Care to elaborate? This would be considered blasphemy by some without additional clarification.

I presume you made a few leaps and that isn't your intention though.

Melchizedek I could understand (somewhat) the Angel of the Lord (somewhat more...) but why would Jesus be a priest "after the order of" ...and the Angel of the Lord thing makes quite a bit of sense but there is an instance where it doesn't follow quite as well but I can't think of the instance offhand. The Joshua event is not what I mean...but I do not desire to derail with an Angel of the Lord discussion at present lol...just struck by your statement.

All bibles break patterns and some even say things backwards.Like the person that rape the sister of the tribe of Benjamin had the most honor,,,And money is the answer to all things,,and yes that is the context.Only by the spirit can one understand.

 

[rayzor]

Mii said It's just god, all of us and or his thoughts.The book of job says if he called back his spirit we would be gone.Despite the holy spirit thing.

 

[Mii]

All bibles break patterns and some even say thing backwards.Like the person that rape the sister of the tribe of Benjamin had the most honor,,,And money is the answer to all things,,and yes that is the context.Only by the spirit can one understand.

Try again if you will...this is a bit jumbled to me



Note on my previous reply:

I am NOT suggesting that there is not more that can be revealed about Enoch, Melchizedek, The Angel of the Lord, etc. etc. but that due to the nature of mysticism and new age thought we need to be super duper careful not to go beyond what is written.

I've gotten into trouble when I just let my own spirit run away with biblical concepts and actually "created" doctrines that are found in other religions (mystery religion, mormonism and new age stuff)...I didn't believe it straight away and take it to heart but it is jarring when you "come up with something" and it's a straight lie.

Can't really forget them and then that brings me back to "not going beyond what is written" if it isn't said then it isn't said. There are "some" things you can read between the lines and see but usually these will be "up for debate" within the Christian community. If they aren't then they are extremely suspect.

 

[rayzor]

Try again if you will...this is a bit jumbled to me



Note on my previous reply:

I am NOT suggesting that there is not more that can be revealed about Enoch, Melchizedek, The Angel of the Lord, etc. etc. but that due to the nature of mysticism and new age thought we need to be super duper careful not to go beyond what is written.

I've gotten into trouble when I just let my own spirit run away with biblical concepts and actually "created" doctrines that are found in other religions (mystery religion, mormonism and new age stuff)...I didn't believe it straight away and take it to heart but it is jarring when you "come up with something" and it's a straight lie.

Can't really forget them and then that brings me back to "not going beyond what is written" if it isn't said then it isn't said. There are "some" things you can read between the lines and see but usually these will be "up for debate" within the Christian community. If they aren't then they are extremely suspect.

He did not raped her
2 When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and raped her. 3 His heart was drawn to Dinah daughter of Jacob; he loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her. 4 And Shechem said to his father Hamor, “Get me this girl as my wife.”
18 Their proposal seemed good to Hamor and his son Shechem. 19 The young man, who was the most honored of all his father’s family,