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Joseph was like a king when he was given the Pharaoh's signet ring and had authority over all.He is represented as the remnant when his brother's decided to try kill him.Read those chapters and it foreshadows what's to happen in a spiritual sense.The remnant give the spiritual bread(grain) in revelation.
Zerubbabel is called the Lord's signet ring too.He rebuilds the temple.Both of them are considered a remnant.
The remnant are even in the priesthood.They're the Levite's who 'stood up' for God(we are to stand for God) when Moses asked who is for God to come to him.They were given a everlasting priesthood.(the remnant,not the Levite's)
The remnant carry are Ark of the Covenant over the Jordan river.Who are led by TWO WITNESSES'S!!(Joshua and ArronBut even Before that,There were two witnesses in Moses and Aaron.They are the one's who God had chosen to lead Israel out of Egypt.They are the only one's left alive to see the promise land after being captive in Egypt(witnesses)
More hints are when two spies are sent over the Jordan to spy out Jericho.They're two witnesses who are also the remnant that made it to the promise land!
So many hints who are two witnesses are.They say our lives for yours to the prostitute Rahab( spiritual prostitute/sinner)The Two Witnesses in Revelation do give their lives to Rahab and all who are her's.
When they lay down in hiding on the roof top in flak,it's a spiritual sign of who and what they do.Flak was used for the making of bricks for roads and walls.
In Gideon's army they're also a remnant and again there are two spies sent into to gather information on the enemy.The two spies are a part of the remnant and are one.
In Revelation,the 144,000 will be like spies in that they will give witness to the testimony of Jesus in the mist of the enemy.No one can stop them till they're finished with their task.The bible will likely be banned and Christian's will be persecuted.
They are the spirit of Elijah with the double anointing.The Lords signet ring.Their eye's will be like blazing fire and they'll be like bright light.You ever see those portraits of Jesus or the prophets with a circle of light behind their head?being filled with the spirit.
It's the Holy Spirit that comes in Jesus name.And when you see them,it'll be like you're looking at Jesus.Didn't God say to Moses it be as God himself was speaking?
To the 144,000 it will be like looking through somebody else's eyes.They are the 144,000 Temples of God!
People who are hungry and thirsty will be drawn in to them.
There's other clues too that tie in the remnant and the two witnesses are the one and the same.
Zerubbabel is called the Lord's signet ring too.He rebuilds the temple.Both of them are considered a remnant.
The remnant are even in the priesthood.They're the Levite's who 'stood up' for God(we are to stand for God) when Moses asked who is for God to come to him.They were given a everlasting priesthood.(the remnant,not the Levite's)
The remnant carry are Ark of the Covenant over the Jordan river.Who are led by TWO WITNESSES'S!!(Joshua and ArronBut even Before that,There were two witnesses in Moses and Aaron.They are the one's who God had chosen to lead Israel out of Egypt.They are the only one's left alive to see the promise land after being captive in Egypt(witnesses)
More hints are when two spies are sent over the Jordan to spy out Jericho.They're two witnesses who are also the remnant that made it to the promise land!
So many hints who are two witnesses are.They say our lives for yours to the prostitute Rahab( spiritual prostitute/sinner)The Two Witnesses in Revelation do give their lives to Rahab and all who are her's.
When they lay down in hiding on the roof top in flak,it's a spiritual sign of who and what they do.Flak was used for the making of bricks for roads and walls.
In Gideon's army they're also a remnant and again there are two spies sent into to gather information on the enemy.The two spies are a part of the remnant and are one.
In Revelation,the 144,000 will be like spies in that they will give witness to the testimony of Jesus in the mist of the enemy.No one can stop them till they're finished with their task.The bible will likely be banned and Christian's will be persecuted.
They are the spirit of Elijah with the double anointing.The Lords signet ring.Their eye's will be like blazing fire and they'll be like bright light.You ever see those portraits of Jesus or the prophets with a circle of light behind their head?being filled with the spirit.
It's the Holy Spirit that comes in Jesus name.And when you see them,it'll be like you're looking at Jesus.Didn't God say to Moses it be as God himself was speaking?
To the 144,000 it will be like looking through somebody else's eyes.They are the 144,000 Temples of God!
People who are hungry and thirsty will be drawn in to them.
There's other clues too that tie in the remnant and the two witnesses are the one and the same.
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I just had this crazy thought.
What if the two witnesses are Michael and Gabriel? Coming to Earth in the form of men.
I say Michael and Gabriel because they are the two angels most frequently mentioned in the Bible.
Before someone comes at me on this, I know that this is probably NOT the case. But it would be cool. 😊
What if the two witnesses are Michael and Gabriel? Coming to Earth in the form of men.
I say Michael and Gabriel because they are the two angels most frequently mentioned in the Bible.
Before someone comes at me on this, I know that this is probably NOT the case. But it would be cool. 😊
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Who do you think the two witnesses will be? I’ll begin. 
First lets go to Matthew 17, to the mount of transfiguration:
Matthew 17:1-3
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them MOSES and ELIAS (Elijah) talking with him.
MOSES = Law giver, Representing the Law.
ELIAS (Elijah) = The Prophets.
Revelation 11:3-5
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks STANDING BEFORE THE GOD of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, FIRE PROCEEDETH OUT OF THEIR MOUTH, AND DEVOURETH THEIR ENEMIES: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
2 Kings 1:10-12
10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, “If I be a man of God, then LET FIRE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and consume thee and thy fifty.” And there CAME DOWN FIRE FROM HEAVEN, and consumed him and his fifty.
11 Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, "O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly."
12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, "If I be a man of God, LET FIRE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and consume thee and thy fifty." And the FIRE OF GOD CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and consumed him and his fifty.
So we see that Elijah had the same powers as the two witnesses.
Revelation 11:6-9
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: (the sign of Elijah)and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (the powers that Moses used in Egypt)
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Psalms 79:2-3
2 The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.
3 Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them.
Revelation 11:11
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Now we’ll go to Zechariah 4:11-14
Zechariah 4:11-14
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, "What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?"
13 And he answered me and said, "Knowest thou not what these be?" And I said, "No, my lord."
14 Then said he, "These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."
So I think that most likely the two witnesses will be Elijah and Moses. What say you?
First lets go to Matthew 17, to the mount of transfiguration:
Matthew 17:1-3
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them MOSES and ELIAS (Elijah) talking with him.
MOSES = Law giver, Representing the Law.
ELIAS (Elijah) = The Prophets.
Revelation 11:3-5
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks STANDING BEFORE THE GOD of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, FIRE PROCEEDETH OUT OF THEIR MOUTH, AND DEVOURETH THEIR ENEMIES: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
2 Kings 1:10-12
10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, “If I be a man of God, then LET FIRE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and consume thee and thy fifty.” And there CAME DOWN FIRE FROM HEAVEN, and consumed him and his fifty.
11 Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, "O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly."
12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, "If I be a man of God, LET FIRE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and consume thee and thy fifty." And the FIRE OF GOD CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and consumed him and his fifty.
So we see that Elijah had the same powers as the two witnesses.
Revelation 11:6-9
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: (the sign of Elijah)and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (the powers that Moses used in Egypt)
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Psalms 79:2-3
2 The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.
3 Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them.
Revelation 11:11
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Now we’ll go to Zechariah 4:11-14
Zechariah 4:11-14
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, "What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?"
13 And he answered me and said, "Knowest thou not what these be?" And I said, "No, my lord."
14 Then said he, "These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."
So I think that most likely the two witnesses will be Elijah and Moses.
What say you?
Are you suggesting that "the whole body of Christ" will be "killed" (die) and then stand again on their feet (be resurrected)? ; as opposed to some of the body of Christ making up the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto" component... ("this mortal" / still-living component, at the time being referenced in 1Cor15:51-54)? Or are you suggesting that the "2W" only figuratively "die"? Just wondering.
[and... are you suggesting that the "rapture" takes place at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe," when the "2W" will ascend up into Heaven... before the "7th Trumpet" sounds? (per Rev11:12,14) Just curious]
[and... are you suggesting that the "rapture" takes place at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe," when the "2W" will ascend up into Heaven... before the "7th Trumpet" sounds? (per Rev11:12,14) Just curious]
Yes, of course.
First, this is written:
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed..."
And then this is written:
"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands..."
So we hear one thing and then we see another, but the two are connected. Same thing happened earlier, we heard "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah" and then John turned a beheld a "Lamb that was slain".
For the 144,000... This is 12x12x1000: the perfection of governance x the perfection of governance x without end. In other words "verily verily, of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end."
First, this is written:
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed..."
And then this is written:
"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands..."
So we hear one thing and then we see another, but the two are connected. Same thing happened earlier, we heard "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah" and then John turned a beheld a "Lamb that was slain".
For the 144,000... This is 12x12x1000: the perfection of governance x the perfection of governance x without end. In other words "verily verily, of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end."
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I can't PM without a paid subscription. I would like to hear what you see but I would be guarded against turning this into another pre-trib how-can-I-get-out-of-here-because-I'm-not-ready!, thread.
When my wife and i met 30 years ago it was an answer to our prayers even though we did not know each other prior to our meeting.
When we met it was a marriage made in Heaven - meaning this - He brought us together and we quickly fell in love.
Just to look into each other's eyes was special.
That was 30 years ago - but you know what - that Love and that LOOK has never changed or diminished.
When Christ came the FIRST time He was(and is) the Kingdom of God and He came to deposit Himself into His Bride - John 17
When HE comes back HE has that LOOK and so does His Bride and will only accept unto Himself = HIS Kingdom = 5 virgins filled with HS7
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Are you saying something like (in the bold)... "We should rejoice and should exult and will give to Him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready [for the 7 year period commonly called 'the tribulation period [i.e. seals/trumpets/vials]']." ??
[p.s. I never hear "pre-tribbers" say (anything regarding the idea of) "because I'm not ready!" But... I haven't heard every single "pre-tribber" on the earth, either. ...(1Cor6:3[14])...]
[p.s. I never hear "pre-tribbers" say (anything regarding the idea of) "because I'm not ready!" But... I haven't heard every single "pre-tribber" on the earth, either.
...(1Cor6:3[14])...]except at the tower of Babel where the bad guys ever one?.Satan wanted be like the most high but greater.Sin has always separated not organized.Notice the devil has many religions not one and thus far they fight each other.They have done a good job at making bibles work against people even there own cause.The devil can't use his full intelligent's because he's a slave to sin.Besides god says he the one that gathers the nations during the lasts days.
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Come,” they said, “let us build for ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens, that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of all the earth.”
5Then the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men were building. 6And the LORD said, “If they have begun to do this as one people speaking the same language, then nothing they devise will be beyond them. 7Come, let Us go down and confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.”
8So the LORD scattered them from there over the face of all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9That is why it is called Babel,c for there the LORD confused the language of the whole world, and from that place the LORD scattered them over the face of all the earth.
If it were not for God's intervention by creating different languages and scattering them it would be Great Flood/Destruction Deja Vu.
Today with technology they are rebuilding the Tower - we see these towers everywhere it will connect them to the mark and to be one again - in rebellion - prepared for His Coming and the wrath of the Lamb.
What was the first thing God did with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit???
5Then the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men were building. 6And the LORD said, “If they have begun to do this as one people speaking the same language, then nothing they devise will be beyond them. 7Come, let Us go down and confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.”
8So the LORD scattered them from there over the face of all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9That is why it is called Babel,c for there the LORD confused the language of the whole world, and from that place the LORD scattered them over the face of all the earth.
If it were not for God's intervention by creating different languages and scattering them it would be Great Flood/Destruction Deja Vu.
Today with technology they are rebuilding the Tower - we see these towers everywhere it will connect them to the mark and to be one again - in rebellion - prepared for His Coming and the wrath of the Lamb.
What was the first thing God did with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit???