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[HealthAndHappiness]

There is no separate plan, God did not fail ... One Plan.

True, it was His chosen people who broke the covenant time and time again. However for those who were believers, He certainly kept His Word.
For the others, they were not blessed by some physical relationship to Abraham when they went to Hell.

For example, one time Moses returned from speaking with the Lord, and the rebellion took place. The Lord opened up the Earth and swallowed up into Hell many descendants of Abraham.
We ask ourselves, wait....what happened to the blessings of being in that lineage??? Wasn't it an everlasting Covenant?
It was conditional on their part.
God kept His promise to those who called upon the Name of the Lord for salvation are in Heaven to this day.

 

[shittim]

In the meantime His plan moves forward to completion-
More Eastern Orthodox prophecy on these end times-

 

[ZNP]

It was being done away with at the time Hebrews was written. It was definitely done away with when Jerusalem was destroyed.

So you are saying because the temple was destroyed and they couldn't make offerings that it was done away with. But then that would indicate that after the first temple was destroyed it was done away with and that is not true. There is a marvelous prophecy in Ezekiel telling us how long Judah would be punished and how long Israel would be. The time of punishment began at different times and the length of punishment was different for both. However, the only time in human history when both Judah and Israel could return from their time out was in 1948, that was the only year that the punishment period would end for both at the same time. Then Ezekiel says that God will make the two sticks one stick. Today that is the case, no one identifies themself by tribe, either they are Jews and Israel or they aren't.

That is only one prophecy, but you can probably put together a list of ten or twenty prophecies that include God working with the nation of Israel during the Day of the Lord after the church age is over.

The problem with most bad doctrine is not that it isn't Biblical, they always base it on a verse here or there and human logic. The problem is that it is of its own interpretation. You take one verse without considering the ramifications to many other verses.

Deuteronomy 7:9 states: "Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations."

 

[Cameron143]

So you are saying because the temple was destroyed and they couldn't make offerings that it was done away with. But then that would indicate that after the first temple was destroyed it was done away with and that is not true. There is a marvelous prophecy in Ezekiel telling us how long Judah would be punished and how long Israel would be. The time of punishment began at different times and the length of punishment was different for both. However, the only time in human history when both Judah and Israel could return from their time out was in 1948, that was the only year that the punishment period would end for both at the same time. Then Ezekiel says that God will make the two sticks one stick. Today that is the case, no one identifies themself by tribe, either they are Jews and Israel or they aren't.

That is only one prophecy, but you can probably put together a list of ten or twenty prophecies that include God working with the nation of Israel during the Day of the Lord after the church age is over.

The problem with most bad doctrine is not that it isn't Biblical, they always base it on a verse here or there and human logic. The problem is that it is of its own interpretation. You take one verse without considering the ramifications to many other verses.

Deuteronomy 7:9 states: "Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations."

I'm saying the old covenant no longer exists, and the wall of partition has been removed. There is no longer Jew or Greek, but the new creation. The destruction of Jerusalem was evidence of this. The old covenant was always doomed to failure because its success was incumbent upon men.

 

[ZNP]

Christian Nationalism -- One of the biggest signs of the end of the age and apostasy in the church

https://www.youtube.com/live/FkwN5qAZag4?si=nEGSPGUmwqF0rNW4&t=2171

He brings this question up 36 minutes and 20 seconds into this interview.

https://notbyworks.org/glda

Dominionism is a regurgitation of post millennialism. Post millennialism died after WW1 and WW2. I get that people look through the lense of current events at the Bible and may come up with interpretations that are later proved false. But the flip side is also true, currrent events have validated the approach to take the prophecies literally and debunked the theory that they are allegorical.

 

[ZNP]

I'm saying the old covenant no longer exists, and the wall of partition has been removed. There is no longer Jew or Greek, but the new creation. The destruction of Jerusalem was evidence of this. The old covenant was always doomed to failure because its success was incumbent upon men.

All that is true, all of that is what Paul said in Ephesians. But it doesn't mean that Jews who have not been saved no longer have a covenant with God. They are like children who are being punished, they are punished but not disowned. The New Testament does not say the Old Covenant does not exist, it says it is near to being done away with.

 

[ZNP]

BREAKING: Islamic Republic Of Iran ATTACK In Central London

 

[Cameron143]

All that is true, all of that is what Paul said in Ephesians. But it doesn't mean that Jews who have not been saved no longer have a covenant with God. They are like children who are being punished, they are punished but not disowned. The New Testament does not say the Old Covenant does not exist, it says it is near to being done away with.

So when does the old covenant end?

 

[ZNP]

So when does the old covenant end?

At the end of the 70th week.

Jesus said you are to forgive 70x7 times, that is "70 weeks". Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week and the Jews were punished for not recognizing that He was the Messiah, but in truth not every single prophecy had been fulfilled yet. Like doubting Thomas who demanded to put his fingers in the wounds before he would believe, there are Jews who would demand to see some of those unfulfilled prophecies of the Messiah as the coming King and the Lion of the tribe of Judah fulfilled before they would believe. Hence, the 70th week is the last seven years where they can be forgiven because during those years they will see Jesus return in glory as the coming king.

 

[ZNP]

At the end of the 70th week.

Jesus said you are to forgive 70x7 times, that is "70 weeks". Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week and the Jews were punished for not recognizing that He was the Messiah, but in truth not every single prophecy had been fulfilled yet. Like doubting Thomas who demanded to put his fingers in the wounds before he would believe, there are Jews who would demand to see some of those unfulfilled prophecies of the Messiah as the coming King and the Lion of the tribe of Judah fulfilled before they would believe. Hence, the 70th week is the last seven years where they can be forgiven because during those years they will see Jesus return in glory as the coming king.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[ZNP]

'MOP' bomb could destroy critical Iranian nuclear facility

 

[Cameron143]

At the end of the 70th week.

Jesus said you are to forgive 70x7 times, that is "70 weeks". Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week and the Jews were punished for not recognizing that He was the Messiah, but in truth not every single prophecy had been fulfilled yet. Like doubting Thomas who demanded to put his fingers in the wounds before he would believe, there are Jews who would demand to see some of those unfulfilled prophecies of the Messiah as the coming King and the Lion of the tribe of Judah fulfilled before they would believe. Hence, the 70th week is the last seven years where they can be forgiven because during those years they will see Jesus return in glory as the coming king.

We disagree on the end of the 70th week.

 

[ZNP]

'MOP' bomb could destroy critical Iranian nuclear facility

Successive hits on the same point allow for increased penetration and increased lethality. I think this bomb can immediately eliminate the threat of this facility doing anything in the next year. The problem I see is that you won't know if the facility is destroyed or not. You can destroy the entrance to the facility. But they can tunnel in to the facility from another location and for all we know everything a half mile down is still intact. The only way you know for sure that the facility is destroyed is if commandos enter it, blow it up, and the blow up the whole place so that the tunnels collapse. If you simply take out the top 500 feet you will confirm that building a bunker a half mile underground will keep you safe.

 

[ZNP]

We disagree on the end of the 70th week.

So when do you think Daniel 9:24 is fulfilled?

When is the transgression of the nation of Israel finished? When do we see an end of sins for the people of Israel? When do we see reconciliation made for their iniquity. Surely you are not saying that everlasting righteousness has already been brought in, are you?

 

[Eli1]

Asking Christians to separate Dispensationalism with Christian Nationalism is like asking an average person to do Level 10 Calculus.

 

[ZNP]

Asking Christians to separate Dispensationalism with Christian Nationalism is like asking an average person to do Level 10 Calculus.

fair enough, let's explain why Satan is working in the apostasy to separate the church from the word of God and why a cornerstone of that attack is on dispensationalism.


Dispensations:
Darby believed that God reveals His plan progressively through different dispensations, or periods of time, with varying rules and relationships with humanity.

Israel and the Church:
A central tenet of Darby's dispensationalism is the distinction between God's plan for Israel (His earthly people) and the Church (His heavenly people).

Pre-Tribulation Rapture:
Darby's view of the distinction between Israel and the Church led him to propose the pre-tribulation rapture, the belief that Christ will return to secretly take the Church to heaven before the great tribulation period.

Literal Interpretation:
Dispensationalism, as developed by Darby, generally emphasizes a literal interpretation of Scripture, including Old Testament prophecies concerning Israel.

Systematization of Scripture:
Darby's work involved systematizing biblical teachings into a dispensational framework, making it easier to understand how God's plan unfolds throughout history.

Focus on Eschatology:
Darby's dispensationalism heavily emphasizes eschatology (the study of end times), particularly the events surrounding Christ's return and the millennium.

 

[Cameron143]

So when do you think Daniel 9:24 is fulfilled?

When is the transgression of the nation of Israel finished? When do we see an end of sins for the people of Israel? When do we see reconciliation made for their iniquity. Surely you are not saying that everlasting righteousness has already been brought in, are you?

The finishing of the transgression was the cross. Jesus already told the Pharisees they were responsible for the blood of all the prophets and would fill their measure of sin by killing Him. At that point, the blood of all the saints and the Son would come upon them. Certainly fulfilled in 70AD.
Jesus certainly made an end of sins. This is why sacrifice is no longer necessary. Accomplished at the cross.
Making reconciliation for iniquity also accomplished at the cross.
Bringing in everlasting righteousness, at the resurrection. Christ received all authority because He fulfilled all righteousness. He perfectly obeyed in every regard. His perfect life provides for righteousness for all believers. So yes, He did bring in perfect righteousness with His life, death, and resurrection.

 

[ZNP]

The finishing of the transgression was the cross. Jesus already told the Pharisees they were responsible for the blood of all the prophets and would fill their measure of sin by killing Him. At that point, the blood of all the saints and the Son would come upon them. Certainly fulfilled in 70AD.
Jesus certainly made an end of sins. This is why sacrifice is no longer necessary. Accomplished at the cross.
Making reconciliation for iniquity also accomplished at the cross.
Bringing in everlasting righteousness, at the resurrection. Christ received all authority because He fulfilled all righteousness. He perfectly obeyed in every regard. His perfect life provides for righteousness for all believers. So yes, He did bring in perfect righteousness with His life, death, and resurrection.

Jesus was cut off (crucified) at the end of the 69th week.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[Cameron143]

Jesus was cut off (crucified) at the end of the 69th week.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

What's your point. You ask about the previous verse and I explained it. Do you want an explanation of this verse too.

 

[ZNP]

What's your point. You ask about the previous verse and I explained it. Do you want an explanation of this verse too.

Well I think we both clearly disagree, but the point is that I read Daniel 9 telling me that Jesus was crucified at the end of the 69th week and you needed one more week to accomplish everything. You could say that by the cross 69/70ths was fulfilled. But like the Lord said, every jot and tittle must be fulfilled and we still had some prophecies that had not yet been fulfilled. You can explain it away if you want, but I am simply not buying your explanation. If everything was fulfilled at the time of the cross then Paul would not have said that the Law was near to being done away with, according to you it was already done away with. Yes, the cross of Christ did away with the ordinances which were against us. But, reconciliation is a two way street. The Jews have yet to receive that.