The US Joins WW3

[mailmandan]

They just said on the news now that the US crossed the $40 trillion threshold on the national debt, interest rate payments on the debt are over a trillion dollars, meaning the US pays more on interest for the debt than it does on Defense, on the FBI and all of Congress!

 

[ZNP]

They just said on the news now that the US crossed the $40 trillion threshold on the national debt, interest rate payments on the debt are over a trillion dollars, meaning the US pays more on interest for the debt than it does on Defense, on the FBI and all of Congress!

And if interest rates go to 10% that will double. Oh wait, we are already paying more than half of our total revenue on interest payments so it can't double.

 

[mailmandan]

And if interest rates go to 10% that will double. Oh wait, we are already paying more than half of our total revenue on interest payments so it can't double.

I guess just, "Que sera, sera," whatever will be, will be. The future's not ours to see. "Que sera, sera."

 

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Obvious question: from 2016 to mid term 2026,(10 years) and through Trumps first term, then Biden's, and half of Trumps second term the national debt has gone from 19.57 trillion to 39.5 trillion dollars(doubled in 10 years). What do they know that makes this not matter that we are not being told?

Crossed the 40 trillion dollar mark today... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/business/economy/us-debt-40-trillion.html

 

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I guess just, "Que sera, sera," whatever will be, will be. The future's not ours to see. "Que sera, sera."

If the future is not ours to see why does the Bible have prophecy?

The world and all that is in it is vanity, a puff of smoke, here today gone tomorrow. You know what is eternal, you know what will not pass away. That is where our treasure is.

 

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Crossed the 40 trillion dollar mark today... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/business/economy/us-debt-40-trillion.html

Looks like the US debt is only increasing by about $8 billion per day. Over the course of the year that is only $3 trillion. Of course the rate is accelerating.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

BESSENT PANICS ANNOUNCES 200% TREASURY BUYBACKS AS LIQUIDITY DRIES UP -GOLD, SILVER AND BITCOIN SOAR

So here are the key numbers to look at.

1. 20 years ago when interest rates on US bonds were this high we had to sell $500 billion in bonds. Now in 2026 we have to sell $10 trillion in bonds.

2. 20 years ago the entire world was using the US dollar to buy oil in the Mideast and so they were buying US bonds. Today, only 60% of the world is buying oil in the Mideast using US dollars and our customers for US bonds has dropped dramatically.

3. 20 years ago the US changed the asset rules for banks forcing them to buy US bonds as collateral for the bank. That created a very big customer for bonds replacing countries that were switching to BRICS, so we didn't notice, but since then the banks have made all their asset allocation adjustments and so the purchase of bonds from US banks has dropped off dramatically.

4. Gold is a much better investment right now than US bonds and you can use gold as a backing for trades that are being done in the Mideast. So investors looking to get a safe return in the market are buying gold, not US bonds.

5. In addition to the US needing to sell $10 trillion in bonds we have other countries like China and Japan selling US bonds. Again, driving up interest rates.

6. AI has become a major competitor for people looking to loan money or buy bonds.

7. One reason for the demand in US bonds was the demand for oil in the Mideast. However, with the shut down of oil and refined products being shipped from the Mideast there is also a shut down in demand for US bonds to purchase the oil.

8. All of this is happening when the US has to ramp up production of weapons and increase their military budget.

This war is a war that will determine if the US dollar remains the reserve currency or if we switch to a gold backed currency.

I have been looking into these currency-to-gold programs because the buying power of the dollar is steadily declining.

Google Search

Direct employer payments in physical gold are incredibly rare due to strict federal labor laws, but secondary programs allowing employees to automatically convert cash currency into gold deposits are widely available. Under the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), employers are generally legally required to pay base wages in standard legal tender (U.S. dollars) to avoid illegal "company scrip" structures. However, modern fintech integrations and employee benefit platforms have created seamless avenues for automated, paycheck-to-gold conversions. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

[mailmandan]

If the future is not ours to see why does the Bible have prophecy?

I'm talking about exactly how all of this will play out in regard to the national debt.

The world and all that is in it is vanity, a puff of smoke, here today gone tomorrow. You know what is eternal, you know what will not pass away. That is where our treasure is.

Exactly.

 

[mailmandan]

Crossed the 40 trillion dollar mark today... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/business/economy/us-debt-40-trillion.html

 

[mailmandan]

We are at war, BRICS wants to replace the US dollar, that is what this war is about. Everything that Russia and Iran have done has been to weaken the US and open them up for attack.

So, it's all just one big power struggle to replace the US dollar. These countries are all ganging up on the US in order to make it happen. What would happen to the stock market if the US dollar was replaced?

 

[ZNP]

I have been looking into these currency-to-gold programs because the buying power of the dollar is steadily declining.

Google Search

Direct employer payments in physical gold are incredibly rare due to strict federal labor laws, but secondary programs allowing employees to automatically convert cash currency into gold deposits are widely available. Under the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), employers are generally legally required to pay base wages in standard legal tender (U.S. dollars) to avoid illegal "company scrip" structures. However, modern fintech integrations and employee benefit platforms have created seamless avenues for automated, paycheck-to-gold conversions. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Yes, that is my point, it is simple to transfer ownership of gold without actually doing physical delivery. That is what a gold backed security is. They don't like to remove the gold from the vault.

1. Ledger Transfers (Unallocated Gold)

• • Bullion banks hold physical gold in large central vaults.
  • Buyers and sellers hold accounts with these banks.
  • Ownership changes via simple electronic ledger entries.
  • The physical gold remains untouched in the vault.

2. Exchange-Traded Funds (ETFs)

• • Gold ETFs hold physical bullion in secure, audited vaults.
  • Shares represent a specific amount of that gold.
  • Investors buy and sell shares on public stock exchanges.
  • Billions of dollars change hands daily via electronic trading.

3. Gold Futures and Options

• • Traders use derivatives contracts on exchanges like COMEX.
  • Contracts represent standardized amounts of gold.
  • Most positions are settled in cash before expiration.
  • Physical delivery rarely occurs during these trades.

4. Central Bank Swaps

• • Central banks hold gold at institutions like the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
  • During trades, workers physically move bars between specific vault compartments.
  • The gold never leaves the secure underground building.
  • Only the internal compartment ownership records change.

5. Tokenized Gold

• • Physical gold is backed 1-to-1 by digital blockchain tokens.
  • Ownership transfers instantly through digital wallets.
  • Transactions bypass traditional banking settlement times.
  • The physical bullion stays locked in commercial vaults.

 

[ZNP]

So, it's all just one big power struggle to replace the US dollar. These countries are all ganging up on the US in order to make it happen. What would happen to the stock market if the US dollar was replaced?

Think about the Antichrist, that is the point of the Mark of the Beast. Being in control of the world's currency makes you supremely powerful. Why do you think the Europeans were so shocked when they came to the US and saw how people live here? In the US newly constructed single family homes are 2,400 square feet on average, while the average in Europe is 1,000 to 1,400 square feet depending on which country. Basically the size of the house in Europe is half what it is in the US, and the lot is even smaller. Average lot size in the US is 10,000 square feet, in Europe it is 2,500 to 5,000 square feet. Again depending on the country it is a fourth to a half the size of the lots in the US.

That is simply one example of the difference in standard of living. When I was in Taiwan no bathroom had toilet paper. Every person had to buy and carry their own toilet paper on them. In Europe all public bathrooms require you to pay before entering. Europeans were shocked at portion sizes in America and unlimited refills of drinks. All of these are examples of how the reserve currency has made Americans rich without even knowing it.

 

[mailmandan]

Think about the Antichrist, that is the point of the Mark of the Beast. Being in control of the world's currency makes you supremely powerful. Why do you think the Europeans were so shocked when they came to the US and saw how people live here? In the US newly constructed single family homes are 2,400 square feet on average, while the average in Europe is 1,000 to 1,400 square feet depending on which country. Basically the size of the house in Europe is half what it is in the US, and the lot is even smaller. Average lot size in the US is 10,000 square feet, in Europe it is 2,500 to 5,000 square feet. Again depending on the country it is a fourth to a half the size of the lots in the US.

That is simply one example of the difference in standard of living. When I was in Taiwan no bathroom had toilet paper. Every person had to buy and carry their own toilet paper on them. In Europe all public bathrooms require you to pay before entering. Europeans were shocked at portion sizes in America and unlimited refills of drinks. All of these are examples of how the reserve currency has made Americans rich without even knowing it.

We have been blessed in America.

 

[HeIsHere]

Not one Catholic predicted or foresaw the return of Israel at the same spot after not existing from AD70 to 1948. This is not a dipsy interpretation or bizarro. Facts do not care about opinion.

Besides Isaac Newton and William E Blackstone, are there others who predicted the return of Israel at the same spot when Israel did not exist?

Yes, there were several others—primarily Protestant theologians, Puritan scholars, Bible commentators, and Christian thinkers from the 17th to 19th centuries—who interpreted Old Testament prophecies (such as those in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and others) literally and predicted the physical restoration or regathering of the Jewish people to their ancestral homeland in Palestine (the exact historical location of ancient Israel), long before the modern State of Israel was reestablished in 1948. cdamm.org At the time, no sovereign Jewish state had existed in the region for roughly 1,800 years (since the Roman destruction of the Second Temple era and subsequent dispersions). These views formed part of what historians call early Christian Restorationism (or proto-Christian Zionism). Many of these figures expected this restoration alongside (or leading to) a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity and tied it to end-times or millennial expectations. Isaac Newton and William E. Blackstone fit squarely into this tradition; others preceded or paralleled them. en.wikipedia.org Here are some notable examples (chronological order, focusing on those who explicitly addressed return to the land): Thomas Brightman (1562–1607), English Puritan clergyman and biblical commentator. In his posthumously published works (including commentaries on Daniel and Revelation, with a key 1615 piece Shall They Return to Jerusalem Again?), he argued strongly for the literal return of the Jews to Jerusalem and Palestine. He wrote: “There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it.” He is often seen as one of the earliest and most influential English advocates of this view. en.wikipedia.org Sir Henry Finch (c. 1558–1625), English lawyer and Member of Parliament. In his 1621 book The World’s Great Restauration, or, The Calling of the Jews, he predicted both the restoration of the Jews to Palestine and their future earthly prominence and predominance. cdamm.org Joseph Mede (1586–1638), influential Cambridge scholar and premillennialist. His works predicted the conversion of the Jewish people and the likelihood of their physical restoration to Palestine. He was highly influential on later thinkers, including Newton. cdamm.org Thomas Draxe (d. 1618/19), English clergyman. In a 1615 work, he stated that Jews would form a “glorious restored nation in Palestine” and that “all the Prophets seeme to speak of this returne.”

cdamm.org Isaac La Peyrère (1596–1676), French theologian (of Portuguese New Christian/Marrano background). In Du rappel des juifs (1643), he wrote about the recall of the Jews, their return to Palestine, the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, and Jerusalem’s future central role in world affairs. en.wikipedia.org Increase Mather (1639–1723), prominent Puritan minister and president of Harvard College. In works like The Mystery of Israel’s Salvation (1669), he discussed the return of Jews from dispersion, their role in overcoming enemies, and their promotion to earthly pre-eminence in connection with the land. cdamm.org John Owen (1616–1683), leading English Puritan theologian. He affirmed that the Jews would be gathered from all parts of the earth where scattered “and brought home into their own land,” along with conversion and a flourishing condition there. puritanboard.com William Whiston (1667–1752), mathematician, theologian, and Isaac Newton’s successor as Lucasian Professor at Cambridge. He argued that Jews would return to and restore their polity, temple, and worship in the Holy Land (the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession). cdamm.org Jonathan Edwards (1703–1758), influential American theologian. He taught the national conversion of the Jews and speculated about the restoration of their external/national state in their own land. cdamm.org Edward Bickersteth (1786–1850), English evangelical clergyman. He wrote The Restoration of the Jews to Their Own Land (first edition around 1841), explicitly connecting biblical prophecy to their future return, conversion, and blessing. books.google.com ord Shaftesbury (Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, 1801–1885), prominent British evangelical politician and social reformer. He strongly advocated for Jewish resettlement in Palestine based on prophecy (famously associated with the phrase “a land without a people for a people without a land”). He published articles predicting Jews would return in greater numbers and flourish agriculturally in Judea and Galilee, and he influenced British policy and the London Society for Promoting Christianity Amongst the Jews (of which he was president). facebook.com

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lol

 

[HeIsHere]

So, it's all just one big power struggle to replace the US dollar. These countries are all ganging up on the US in order to make it happen. What would happen to the stock market if the US dollar was replaced?

The USA weaponized ( using it as an instrument of policy) the dollar, the world reserve currency, and so it is very understandable that other countries are going to form other alliances and other means of exchange.
What I find interesting is how empires fall into the same ditches over and over again.

 

[ZNP]

What I find interesting is how empires fall into the same ditches over and over again.

The two prophets (part 1)

When Jesus was born there were two prophets, Simeon and Anna who came in and testified of Him. We have a principle that "that which has been is that which shall be". I look at this like fractals. You can zoom in on fractals and even in the minute details you see the exact same pattern you see if you zoom out. It is a never ending geometric pattern. So then the pattern we saw at the coming of Jesus at the start of the church age gives us a pattern of what we will see at His coming at the end of the church age. The first coming gives us a pattern of the second coming.

These two prophets are a pattern. We are not told how old Simeon is, only that it was "divinely told him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death until he saw Christ the Lord". He gives us a pattern of devout men with divine revelations, visions, and dreams of the second coming. The second prophet gives us a timeline, if you look at it literally we know she was born, she was married, her husband lived for seven years, and since his death she has been a widow for 84 years. She doesn't actually say anything in this chapter, instead it says "she was confessing likewise and speaking concerning Him to those looking for the coming redemption". I liken her to current events. WW2 lasted for six years, but if we add in the Nuremberg trials afterwards as a conclusion, then we can get seven years. If we infer she was married after puberty then she was born in 1929, at the start of the great depression. All of the current events from her life speak to those who are looking for the redemption of the Lord's second coming.

Luke 2:25 And lo, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name [is] Simeon, and this man is righteous and devout, looking for the comforting of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him, 26 and it hath been divinely told him by the Holy Spirit -- not to see death before he may see the Christ of the Lord. 27 And he came in the Spirit to the temple, and in the parents bringing in the child Jesus, for their doing according to the custom of the law regarding him, 28 then he took him in his arms, and blessed God, and he said, 29 `Now Thou dost send away Thy servant, Lord, according to Thy word, in peace, 30 because mine eyes did see Thy salvation, 31 which Thou didst prepare before the face of all the peoples, 32 a light to the uncovering of nations, and the glory of Thy people Israel.'

Billy Sunday, the famous whirlwind evangelist, preached dynamically in 1929 against societal backsliding, warning that the wheels of God's judgment would soon sweep through a "God-hating world" unless the nation returned to traditional faith.

William Branham: In June 1933, Branham claimed to receive seven major visions outlining the future. The final vision depicted a massive explosion that left the entire land of America a barren wasteland of craters, smoke, and debris. [1, 2, 3]

A.A. Allen: A famous Tent Revival evangelist, Allen claimed to look out over the Atlantic Ocean from atop the Empire State Building in 1954, witnessing a prophetic vision of a sudden, total obliteration of America via poisonous, radioactive fallout from an enemy attack.

Henry Gruver: Known as a "prayer walker," Gruver claimed to receive visions starting in the 1980s detailing the physical destruction of the U.S. He famously described seeing a massive Russian nuclear strike launched from submarines surrounding American ports, coinciding with total infrastructural grid failure
David Wilkerson (1970s – 2000s) an Assemblies of God pastor and founder of Times Square Church, transitioned from youth evangelism into a major prophetic voice regarding America's downfall. [1]

• The 1973 Vision: Wilkerson published a famous book, The Vision, detailing a terrifying global and national calamity. He forewarned of a worldwide economic collapse starting in Europe, rampant moral decay, nature unleashing its fury through mega-disasters, and intense persecution of true Christians. [1]
• The 2009 Urgent Warning: Shortly before his death, Wilkerson issued a stark final warning. He predicted an imminent, catastrophic event that would cause widespread fires, riots, and military-like chaos across New York City and other major American metropolitan areas

Dumitru Duduman (1980s – 1990s) A Romanian pastor who smuggled Bibles behind the Iron Curtain, where he was imprisoned and tortured before being exiled to the United States. [1, 2]

• "America Will Burn": Starting in 1984, Duduman traveled across the U.S. delivering a message he claimed was given to him by an angel. He proclaimed that America is "Mystery Babylon" and would be destroyed by fire in a single day as judgment for its deep moral perversion. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Sovereign Attack: Duduman explicitly prophesied that Russia and China (alongside smaller allied nations like Cuba and Nicaragua) would launch a sudden nuclear and military assault on the U.S. mainland after first instigating geopolitical conflicts elsewhere, such as a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.

 

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The Two Prophets (part 2)

Jonathan Cahn (2010s–Present): Messianic rabbi and pastor Jonathan Cahn became one of the most commercially successful prophetic voices of the 2000s. His 2012 bestseller, The Harbinger, outlines a prophetic pattern connecting the 9/11 attacks and subsequent economic collapses to an ancient scriptural warning of judgment found in Isaiah 9:10. [1]

• The Nine Harbingers: Cahn argues that God is actively removing His "hedge of protection" from America due to rapid secularization. He points to physical signs (like the falling of specific trees and the rebuilding of Ground Zero) as exact reenactments of ancient Israel’s warning signs before its ultimate destruction.
• The Mystery of the Shemitah (2014) – Connects major global economic shakeups, stock market crashes, and political shifts to the ancient seven-year biblical agricultural and financial Sabbath cycle.
• The Book of Mysteries (2016) – A 365-day daily devotional presented as an odyssey through a desert to unpack linguistic, spiritual, and end-times biblical secrets.
• The Paradigm (2017) – Claims that ancient leaders of Northern Israel (like Ahab, Jezebel, and Jehu) serve as an exact spiritual blueprint or "master paradigm" for modern political figures.
• The Oracle (2019) – Centers on the Jubilean mysteries, connecting the 50-year biblical Jubilee cycle to the modern restoration of Israel, international wars, and geopolitical developments.
• The Harbinger II: The Return (2020) – The direct sequel to his first book, linking the social unrest, polarization, and pandemic disruptions of 2020 to the ongoing unraveling of the original omens.
• The Return of the Gods (2022) – A cultural critique arguing that ancient pagan spirits (The Trinity of the Dark Apostasy) have returned to western civilization to orchestrate rapid cultural secularization.
• The Josiah Manifesto (2023) – Formulates a "prophetic puzzle" connecting historical dates, global crises, and political events to outline a guide for how believers should live in the end times.
• The Dragon's Prophecy (2024) – Decodes the spiritual forces behind the modern conflicts in Israel, linking recent Middle Eastern warfare to ancient apocalyptic texts regarding the "End of Days".
• The Avatar (2025) – Explores the theme of modern leaders and global cultural shifting, proposing that ancient spiritual archetypes are influencing Western governments.
• The Altar of Pergamon (September 1, 2026) – Investigates over 100 historical patterns tracking an ancient archaeological object—the Throne of Satan mentioned in Revelation—to the rise and fall of modern empires.

Pastor Dana Coverstone (December 2019 to present) Brace yourself dreams

The First Dream (December 2019): Coverstone claimed he saw a calendar turning to March 2020. He saw a finger point to the month as a cloud of dust and chaos settled over the nation, which he and his followers later interpreted as the exact arrival of the COVID-19 pandemic and lockdowns. He then saw the calendar flip to June, accompanied by visions of widespread civil unrest, marching, and smoke billowing over cities. [1]
The Second Dream (June 2020): In this dream, the calendar flipped to November 2020. Coverstone described seeing a "bent, torn, and dirty" calendar month. He claimed to see armed conflict in American streets, economic hyperinflation, lines at banks, and a complete breakdown of the U.S. political system following the presidential election.
The White Figure's Directive: Amidst the visual depictions of chaos, a distinct figure appeared out of a light, instructing the church to anchor itself strictly in spiritual readiness. The figure warned believers not to rely on their own physical strength or political systems to survive the impending national shaking.

33 And Joseph and his mother were wondering at the things spoken concerning him, 34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, `Lo, this [one] is set for the falling and rising again of many in Israel, and for a sign spoken against -- 35 (and also thine own soul shall a sword pass through) -- that the reasonings of many hearts may be revealed.'

36 And there was Anna, a prophetess, daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, she was much advanced in days, having lived with an husband seven years from her virginity, 37 and she [is] a widow of about eighty-four years, who did depart not from the temple, with fasts and supplications serving, night and day, 38 and she, at that hour, having come in, was confessing, likewise, to the Lord, and was speaking concerning him, to all those looking for redemption in Jerusalem.

Consider all the events that have occurred pointing to the Lord's return, whether it is the reformation of the nation of Israel, the rise of computers, internet and AI, the systems in place for the Mark of the Beast, the Great Depression, WW2, the holocaust, Nuremberg trials and the connection to the book of Esther, Israel's six day war, the Jubilee cycle with 1917, 1967, and 2017 being years declaring that Jerusalem belongs to Israel, the Pandemic as a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy, the Revelation 12 sign in the heavens, the Writing on the Wall sign over the US, the fulfillment of Psalm 83 war, the fulfillment of Jeremiah 49 breaking of Elam's bow, etc.

 

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Looks like the US debt is only increasing by about $8 billion per day. Over the course of the year that is only $3 trillion. Of course the rate is accelerating.

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Maybe the other nations will run TV commercials and show all the starving children and elderly in America and ask everyone to help feed them like the other starving nations?

 

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Maybe the other nations will run TV commercials and show all the starving children and elderly in America and ask everyone to help feed them like the other starving nations?

This is what they ate during previous famines, maybe you should make a cookbook with recipes.

China's Famines (Including the Great Chinese Famine, 1958–1962)

• • Tree Bark and Leaves: Starving villagers stripped elm and poplar trees of their bark to grind into powder, and ate grass or weeds until fields were completely bare. [1, 2]
  • Guanyin Tu (Mud/Clay): People ate a specific type of pale, non-nutritive clay known as Goddess Guanyin dirt. It temporarily filled the stomach but caused fatal blockages and severe internal damage. [1]
  • Leather and Sawdust: Old leather shoes, belts, and harnesses were boiled down into a gelatinous sludge, alongside processed sawdust and chaff.
  • Animal Waste: Desperate peasants sifted through animal excrement to find and re-digest undigested grain seeds. [1]
  • Human Remains: In horrific episodes documented by local party and police archives (such as in Anhui and Gansu), extreme starvation led to survival cannibalism, including consuming the bodies of those who had already died or, in rare absolute breakdowns of society, family members. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Other Global Famines

• • The Holodomor in Ukraine (1932–1933): People made bread and soup substitutes out of ground chestnut shells, beet pulp, grass, moss, and rotten potatoes, alongside hunting and eating neighborhood cats, dogs, and gophers.
  • The Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (1915–1918): Locust swarms stripped the region bare, leading people to eat grass, locusts, roadside weeds, and discarded animal bones scavenged from the streets.
  • The Irish Potato Famine (1845–1852): As families lost their primary crop, starving individuals foraged for wild blackberries, nettles, seaweed along the shore, and occasionally grass, though many suffered from eating rotten or diseased tubers.
  • The Siege of Leningrad (1941–1944): During the brutal Nazi blockade, starving citizens ate wallpaper paste (for its potato flour content), leather shoe linings, hair grease, carpenter's glue, and house pets.

 

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This is what they ate during previous famines, maybe you should make a cookbook with recipes.

China's Famines (Including the Great Chinese Famine, 1958–1962)

• • Tree Bark and Leaves: Starving villagers stripped elm and poplar trees of their bark to grind into powder, and ate grass or weeds until fields were completely bare. [1, 2]
  • Guanyin Tu (Mud/Clay): People ate a specific type of pale, non-nutritive clay known as Goddess Guanyin dirt. It temporarily filled the stomach but caused fatal blockages and severe internal damage. [1]
  • Leather and Sawdust: Old leather shoes, belts, and harnesses were boiled down into a gelatinous sludge, alongside processed sawdust and chaff.
  • Animal Waste: Desperate peasants sifted through animal excrement to find and re-digest undigested grain seeds. [1]
  • Human Remains: In horrific episodes documented by local party and police archives (such as in Anhui and Gansu), extreme starvation led to survival cannibalism, including consuming the bodies of those who had already died or, in rare absolute breakdowns of society, family members. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Other Global Famines

• • The Holodomor in Ukraine (1932–1933): People made bread and soup substitutes out of ground chestnut shells, beet pulp, grass, moss, and rotten potatoes, alongside hunting and eating neighborhood cats, dogs, and gophers.
  • The Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (1915–1918): Locust swarms stripped the region bare, leading people to eat grass, locusts, roadside weeds, and discarded animal bones scavenged from the streets.
  • The Irish Potato Famine (1845–1852): As families lost their primary crop, starving individuals foraged for wild blackberries, nettles, seaweed along the shore, and occasionally grass, though many suffered from eating rotten or diseased tubers.
  • The Siege of Leningrad (1941–1944): During the brutal Nazi blockade, starving citizens ate wallpaper paste (for its potato flour content), leather shoe linings, hair grease, carpenter's glue, and house pets.

In July it was two years ago when I joined the forum and In several post I suggested people getting use to only one meal a day or only eating every other day as fast as they could get themselves use to it. Not sure who listened then but to those who did this is only the beginning.