If I were blind I wouldn't see you have a problem with the truth but there you are.Violent people see scripture thataway.
If I were blind I wouldn't see you have a problem with the truth but there you are.Violent people see scripture thataway.
I cheated and looked on Google to answer you. I don't think you're really serious here. I think you like to play at being obtuse.You are painting a straw-man situation and pinning it on me. Here's what you need to do. Prove violent self-defense does not contradict the Sermon on the Mount. Or produce 1 example from the NT where it is permissible.
A believer can be mature or immature, arrogant or humble, but they should always be striving to understand better who God is and what He expects from us.I think we should make sure that if a believer isn’t a pacifist, he/she is not less saved than someone who is, and vice versa.
In the Bible our Lord Jesus Christ shows us the way of light and the way perfetion, which differend in many ways from of the normal ways of mankind, or the ways of patriotism, or the way of gun protection.
How can we proclame his word to love our enemy, if we carry guns and are ready to kill our enemys? Isn't our work here is to convert our enemys to the path of righteousness, being also ready to get killed in that path? Isn't that the true way of our Lord Jesus Christ, where he is calling a man to turn and walk to receive the eternal life?
How do you "Not resist evil" Matthew 5:39, by resisting it? And killing enemies instead of loving them? And then call yourself a Christian?I cheated and looked on Google to answer you. I don't think you're really serious here. I think you like to play at being obtuse.
1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own mansion, his property is safe.”
Jesus told his disciples to arm up with swords. Sell their cloaks if they had to for the money to buy one.
What's that? Apostles carrying swords spreading the good news? Why swords if violence isn't an issue?
People see what they want to see in scripture. Why all the opposing denominations?If I were blind I wouldn't see you have a problem with the truth but there you are.
Suffering as victims, not as war mongers.I think your definition of God’s love is quite lacking. His love includes suffering and physical death.
I cheated and looked on Google to answer you. I don't think you're really serious here. I think you like to play at being obtuse.
1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own mansion, his property is safe.”
Jesus told his disciples to arm up with swords. Sell their cloaks if they had to for the money to buy one.
What's that? Apostles carrying swords spreading the good news? Why swords if violence isn't an issue?
You are judging me by your own heart when you know nothing of my past and the sacrifices I've made upholding Christ's words on non-violence. You teach against all Jesus stands for.You are correct but that guy rejects scripture left and right.
I have a hard time thinking he is anything other than a troll to call a father saving his daughter from the suffering of rape, a war monger.
Definitely not someone who understands what love is. Let alone what loving your enemy is.
You have gone to great lengths to defend your personal choice of pacifism. That is the crux of the matter, you have chosen this path for yourself and cherry picked the Scriptures to support your view and ignore any verse that refutes it. You cannot see well enough to distinguish between your view and Gods.You are judging me by your own heart when you know nothing of my past and the sacrifices I've made upholding Christ's words on non-violence. You teach against all Jesus stands for.
I'm not a pacifist. I only obey Jesus who teaches us not to resist evil and to love enemies.You have gone to great lengths to defend your personal choice of pacifism. That is the crux of the matter, you have chosen this path for yourself and cherry picked the Scriptures to support your view and ignore any verse that refutes it. You cannot see well enough to distinguish between your view and Gods.
Ok, keep up the good work. In your world can a Christian be a policeman?I'm not a pacifist. I only obey Jesus who teaches us not to resist evil and to love enemies.
I'm not a pacifist. I only obey Jesus who teaches us not to resist evil and to love enemies.
You reject Christ when you reject his word. And then attack someone who believes his word and is willing to die for it. As countless thousands have throughout history. And then call yourself a Christian?There is not one verse in context which implies to allow evil against the helpless, when you can stop it.
Not one.
Wrath or revenge are different than prevention or intervention.
God can use us as the body of Christ to deliver the afflicted out of the hands of the wicked.
Many verses show the opposite of what you suggest Jesus teaches, but not one would agree with you.
For example...
Matthew Chapter 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
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If you were to try to use this to back up your belief, you would need to deny what is being said in context.
This is about not letting anger turn to wrath to get even.
It is not about turning a blind eye to someone in need.
It has zero to due with some zero force rule.
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2 timothy 3
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalms 82:3
“Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.”
Still applies today. Goes hand and hand with Jesus's teachings and not against them.
It's not the believer's calling. Shooting someone for stealing treasure we are not to hoard? Money is more valuable than human life? If people shared as the early church did, there would be nothing left to steal.Ok, keep up the good work. In your world can a Christian be a policeman?
Please, please, please, just answer yes or no!
You are an arrogant sort of fellow. No one kills for simply stealing. Are you aware that Scripture testifies that arrogance comes from fear?It's not the believer's calling. Shooting someone for stealing treasure we are not to hoard? Money is more valuable than human life? If people shared as the early church did, there would be nothing left to steal.
Why carry a gun if not meaning to kill? Are you saying thieves don't arm themselves?You are an arrogant sort of fellow. No one kills for simply stealing. Are you aware that Scripture testifies that arrogance comes from fear?
Can you even walk a straight line?Why carry a gun if not meaning to kill? Are you saying thieves don't arm themselves?