The word "new" does not mean "freshly created"

[deardean2]

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Greek word for "new" in this verse is kainos. This word does NOT mean freshly created. Rather, it means something that is unique, wonderful, amazing, something never seen before. And the concept of renewal or restoration is included in this Greek word.

The current heaven and earth were subjected to physical laws of death and decay because of sin. This is why creation is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God. It is groaning to be released from these negative laws And it is the reason for a NEW heaven and a NEW earth.

God cannot live with sin. Only by changing the physical laws of heaven and earth and making new ones can this sin be eliminated.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

This NEW earth be comes God's NEW home.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Greek word for "new" in this verse is kainos. This word does NOT mean freshly created.

Where did you come up with this definition? It does not correspond to the meaning of kainos as applied to Rev 21:1.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2537: καινός

...new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds:διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13;Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 ()); καινοί οὐρανοί,καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17;Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία,πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάνταποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition,Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.

"Recently made" = freshly created

 

[p_rehbein]

........umm........hmm........er.......umm........

 

[Hevosmies]

I will dig my heels deep into language meaning what it says, unless it is clearly symbolic, or interpreted to be symbolic by the Apostles themselves.
If none of these two caveats are present, I take it for what it means. And elements being destroyed by fire, this current earth VANISHING away, passing away, and all the other descriptions of this event ALL indicate that this will be a literal destruction of the earth we live on now. And following this, there will be a NEW created heaven AND earth.

I dont know how it could mean anything else, and why we should try to make it say something else? Is there any doctrine hinging upon this fact, or what is the deal here?

 

[deardean2]

Where did you come up with this definition? It does not correspond to the meaning of kainos as applied to Rev 21:1.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2537: καινός

...new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds:διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13;Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 ()); καινοί οὐρανοί,καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17;Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία,πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάνταποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition,Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.

"Recently made" = freshly created

I get my definition from the Holy Spirit through a Greek word study which goes to the root word and includes all parts of speech related to that root word. The Greek verb ktizo means "to create". I am sure God would have used this word if He meant "freshly created". God does not start from scratch when He makes something "new".

The problem is that so many think that God is going to destroy this earth. This position is due primarily to a misunderstanding of the word "tribulation". They forget the verse everyone knows.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[p_rehbein]

OR............OR.............OR............OR

It could be because of this wee bit from Scripture

2 Peter 3:9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

You better recheck your connection with the Holy Spirit.........cuz methinks this earth will be burned up

 

[theanointedsinner]

I want the OP to explain the fine line between "new" and "not new"

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Where did you come up with this definition? It does not correspond to the meaning of kainos as applied to Rev 21:1.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2537: καινός

...new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds:διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13;Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 ()); καινοί οὐρανοί,καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17;Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία,πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάνταποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition,Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.

"Recently made" = freshly created

Thayer's clarifies the difference between "new" καινός and "new" νέος:

[SYNONYMS: καινός, νέος: νέος denotes the new primarily in reference to time, the young, recent; καινός denotes the new primarily in reference to quality, the fresh, unworn; 'νέος ad tempus refertur, καινός ad rem;' see Trench, § lx.; Tittmann i., p. 59f; Green, 'Critical Note' on Matthew 9:17 (where the words occur together). The same distinction, in the main, holds in classic usage; cf. Schmidt ii., chapter 47.]​

Strong's indicates:

new. ​

Of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness; while neos is properly so with respect to age -- new. ​

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see GREEK neos​

 

[posthuman]

No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made. Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved.​

(Matthew 9:16-17) ​

'νέον' wine into 'καινούς' wineskins

are the wineskins here newly created or old ones that have been repaired?

 

[dcontroversal]

Where did you come up with this definition? It does not correspond to the meaning of kainos as applied to Rev 21:1.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2537: καινός

...new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds:διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13;Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 ()); καινοί οὐρανοί,καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17;Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία,πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάνταποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition,Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.

"Recently made" = freshly created

I can think of numerous verses that contradict the OP................but hey..........generally speaking, it does no good when one is so sure of himself....

 

[garee]

New is entirely new. No old elements as rudiments. (atom and molecules)

No flesh and blood made from the rudiments of this corrupted creation .Can't find God under a microscope And in the new creation the possibility of finding the dust that makes up flesh and blood will not be able to be searched out

The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Consider what is written in Hebrews 1:

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed


Think of what God is going to do in us in the future. We will then know even as also [we are] known (1 Cor 13:12). He is going to change our bodies (1 Cor 15:51-54).

I believe this is the same as what will happen with the heavens and the earth on which we currently live. "Changed" and "made new".

How God will do this is beyond me, but I sure do believe it.

 

[garee]

Consider what is written in Hebrews 1:

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed


Think of what God is going to do in us in the future. We will then know even as also [we are] known (1 Cor 13:12). He is going to change our bodies (1 Cor 15:51-54).

I believe this is the same as what will happen with the heavens and the earth on which we currently live. "Changed" and "made new".

How God will do this is beyond me, but I sure do believe it.

Using the same rudiments?

 

[LPT]

Hmm might be a little weighing of apples to oranges.

 

[Zmouth]

The Greek word for "new" in this verse is kainos. This word does NOT mean freshly created.

While people get hung up on the translation from one language to another or even the definition within the same language, maybe they should consider the following verse:

Of these things put them in remembrance,
charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit,
but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:14-15​

Thus, as you clearly demonstrated how people can strive about the meaning of the words using 'new' and 'freshly created', however
one might say there are numerous scriptures which contradict your assertion that the words 'new' and 'freshly created' do not hold the same meaning yet that might be the reason it is written that if the Gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Cor 5:17​

Maybe that is why the new creature is a reference to the 'mind'. [See: Romans 12:2 | Titus 3:5]

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

As Jesus taught in John 3:12, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" [ See Acts 17:30]

While Genesis 1:1 shows the first heaven and earth, "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth." when they read the book that the prophet Isaiah said to seek they will see the new heaven and new earth.

The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. Eccl 1:10

So do you remember what is written in Ecclesiastes 1:11?

No flesh and blood made from the rudiments of this corrupted creation .

If a good tree brings forth good fruit then what kind of creator would bring forth a corruptible creation?