The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Cameron143]

but in Greek it's an adjective.

clearly we need to elect a president that will change English grammar, to save the world. the entire universe is at stake!

So it says there is one good God? An adjective has to modify something?

 

[posthuman]

It's used the same in both sentences. It's simply not capitalized in one. This is consistent throughout the KJV. It doesn't capitalize pronouns for God or Jesus.

yeah so if it's a grave mistake that one translation makes Greek adjectives English nouns/pronouns, ain't it also a grave mistake for any other one?

but that's one thing i really appreciate about nasb and nkjv, capitalizing words that refer to God. i go back and do it myself whenever i quote kjv; to me it's proper respect.

 

[posthuman]

So it says there is one good God? An adjective has to modify something?

rules are different in Greek; they can be used as a noun

 

[Cameron143]

rules are different in Greek; they can be used as a noun

Right. But that would make God an appositve.

 

[posthuman]

Right. But that would make God an appositve.

the important thing here is that the meaning is conveyed to us. language is just a vehicle to communicate ideas.

and that's clear with all kinds of variations in translation: only God is good, and Christ is pressing the man to confess that Jesus is Lord. He shows that we are all forced into facing that question:

either Jesus is not good, therefore evil
or Jesus is God

 

[Cameron143]

the important thing here is that the meaning is conveyed to us. language is just a vehicle to communicate ideas.

and that's clear with all kinds of variations in translation: only God is good, and Christ is pressing the man to confess that Jesus is Lord. He shows that we are all forced into facing that question:

either Jesus is not good, therefore evil
or Jesus is God

Jesus is clever that way.

 

[posthuman]

Right. But that would make God an appositve.

or good, or one. i'm not sure it matters

 

[Cameron143]

or good, or one. i'm not sure it matters

Right, there One who is good.

 

[posthuman]

Right, there One who is good.

none other

 

[Genez]

but in Greek it's an adjective.

clearly we need to elect a president that will change English grammar, to save the world. the entire universe is at stake!

The entire world and universe is to be put on a stake.... 2 Peter 3:10

 

[fredoheaven]

why does kjv use "none" which is not an adjective, but a noun?

you yourself are arguing that kjv makes "a grave mistake" here.

Umm a simple greek oarsing from a bibke hub or blb seem the word "none" is an adjective and not a noun. Thanks

 

[posthuman]

Umm a simple greek oarsing from a bibke hub or blb seem the word "none" is an adjective and not a noun. Thanks

yes the Greek word it's translated from is an adjective, but the English word is not an adjective.

apparently this is a grave error in kjv, thank you for pointing it out.

 

[fredoheaven]

yes the Greek word it's translated from is an adjective, but the English word is not an adjective.

apparently this is a grave error in kjv, thank you for pointing it out.

‘None’ can be used as a pronoun to mean ‘not any’ and you seem correct! But ‘none’ in its archaic form with the same meaning as 'not any' is used as an adjective and the KJB is still in precision with the Greek counterpart.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/none
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/none
https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=None

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I must submit that the text here concerns the scriptures being "forever." That cannot be said for the godly who are at a time of scarcity and have suffered for even a long time. Endurance though is a long time yet has its limitations and it can not be said of that. The word, the scripture is!

Initially, I was was open to both interpretations as possibilities.
In Psalms 12:6-7 (KJV), the immediate context seems to focus primarily on the preservation of God's words:

Psalms 12:6-7 (KJV)

"The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever."​

Verse 6 emphasizes the purity and trustworthiness of God’s words, they are refined and without flaw. Verse 7 then speaks of God keeping and preserving "them," which grammatically refers back to "the words of the Lord" from verse 6. So by the immediate context, it as an affirmation of God's commitment to preserving His words across generations. So I agree with this interpretation.

As you know, the Modern Bibles distort "them" in the KJV and makes it about the people and not the words. After discovering more of the darkness in the Modern Bible Movement recently, and reading the chapter again several times, I am now considering in abandoning the interpretation that suggests "them" is referring to both the people and the words being preserved. God will most certainly protect His saints (as the chapter says), but it is not the same as the keeping of His words like here on Earth. I do believe that the moment God provided Scripture for mankind, there was always an uncorrupted form of it since its origination until today. I believe the King James Bible is the perfect words of God in English. But men try to attack God's Word. Some, like Mark Ward have even said it is a sin to give a KJV to a child (Which is crazy bonkers nonsense). You can check out his admittance to such insanity in this recent KJV debate here:

Anyway, thank you for challenging me on this passage. It is good we always relook at Scripture again, and again, and again with a fresh pair of eyes with God's help.

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[Bible_Highlighter]

Just like the democratic left, I believe those who prefer Modern scholarship over simply believing the Bible at face value in what it says about itself are simply ignoring the facts on the matter. They have chosen to simply see a narrative they desire to be true for their own preferred reasons. I cannot change the truth of God's Word. There are times to speak, and times to remain silent for specific people I encounter. If people cannot see the truth that the Bible teaches that His Word is perfect and it will be preserved forever after my showing them the verses straight out of the Bible many times, I cannot force them to see it. Will my efforts in showing them the Bible help them? Only God knows.

While there are many metaphors, the Bible is a spiritual book and it needs to be accepted many times at face value in light of the whole of Scripture or the context. Most often, disbelief in God's very own Word is what I encounter on a wide variety of Biblical topics. They have made their own way. I believe they followed the large crowd of believers, which they believe cannot be wrong. I am here to say, I love you in Christ. I love you all, but we may not agree on certain matters of the faith. For me, this is an important topic because it gets at the heart of our faith (Which is the Bible).

May the working of the Lord's good ways shine upon you all in Jesus' name.


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[Genez]

I believe the King James Bible is the perfect words of God in English.
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May I ask you what Matthew 4:3 says, and means, in the KJV?

What does it mean?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

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Meant to post KJV Research Council's posting of this video for the debate instead.
I also think Dan could have done a better job in the debate.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

May I ask you what Matthew 4:3 says, and means, in the KJV?

What does it mean?

I looked at Biblehub and compared the top popular Modern Versions (NIV, ESV, CSB, NASB) with the KJV. How do you see these corrupted Alexandrian Modern Bibles as saying something better than the KJV?

The only difference I noticed was that some of these Modern Bibles say "loaves of bread."
How is that significant?
Are you trying to suggest that this verse is proof that all Modern Bibles basically say the same thing?
Some in the Modern Bible camp have actually did tell me such nonsense. In this case, I believe such individuals are living in an alternative universe who are simply ignoring the facts. I have shown 50 plus false doctrines in Modern Bibles. Then there are the changed truths, as well. All these changes are for the worse, and not for the better.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

May I ask you what Matthew 4:3 says, and means, in the KJV?

What does it mean?

This ties into the most important truth...

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word of God.​

Are you living by every word of God?
Do you even believe you have the precise words of God so that you may live by all of the ones that are given to us?

See, there is a symbiotic relationship between the Living Word (Jesus), and the Communicated Word (like Scripture).
Those who are at war with God's words will simply show it by their lack of faith in the Word, and by their attack of it.
They may not even realize they are attacking His pure Word because of their love for men like scholars or pastors, or the seeking of their own fame in such a world, etc.


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[decipher]

Yeah. Elizabethan Olde English is a college course all in itself. A foreign language course.
WHY spend time learning it instead of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Early Latin?

Seems to me that the time would be better spent elsewhere.

Then on top of this why be persuaded into the Anglican Church....because that's who the KJV was translated for....their rules and doctrines.

I barely can hold on the rim of the pail for the Baptist bucket....and it's the widest bucket of them all. More of a ND, but they get weird so very often. Even the Anglicans have given up on the KJV for a newer translation. I really don't get that whole "KJV only " thing when viewed through history. Maybe they think God only talks in Elizabethan Olde Englishe......
Not French, Spanish, German, Russian, or Farsi.....just ye Olde Englishe.

I believe that the KJV is a word for word interpretation of the original Greek translation. Most of the other bible translations are interpretations of what the translator thinks that the words are meaning. I'll take the KJV over those.