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Couldn't you just cut to the point instead of having me waste my time posting the scripture you are going to dismiss? You are a troll whether you identify as one or not.
theistic evolution - don't try this at home
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Yes, because troll says the continuous discussion about your opinions without Bible proof has no meaning
Just what trolls do. Let us end this.
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Yes, because troll says the continuous discussion about your opinions without Bible proof has no meaning
Just what trolls do. Let us end this.
I posted the scripture. Don't end it because I foiled your misguided plan.
You are quite the troll telling me my opinions have no Bible proof when it's clear in the scripture and it was the common belief for thousands of years.
If you can read in English that it was the earth and waters that brought forth creatures (not any instant God's creation by word etc), I do not know where it should contradict evolution.
The rest of verses is not about evolution, but about cosmogony, which is a different issue.
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You are ignoring the context of the scripture already to fit your false science.
Plant life (complex fruit trees) existed on land prior to life in the ocean, and even before the sun was created.
Evolution does not have complex plant life existing before a sun and moon and life in the ocean, it's incompatible with the theory.
And the cosmology is not a separate issue, fruit trees cannot exist prior to the sun with evolutionary theory.
Explain the man from dust and the woman from rib as well.
Dust represents something from Earth, the low origin, the breath of God the image that is put into us and why we differ from animals.
About woman - she was taken from Adam, not from animals, thats also how Adam called her.
And now answer you to me - why it was waters and earth that brought forth creatures and what does that mean?
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Oh so you've decided the dust represents something, rather than God using it to create us. So you have decided you can take the scripture figuratively on man's authority.
You've also decided the creation of Eve is figurative rather than an actual rib. You don't draw this conclusion from scripture, this is a conclusion from man's authority and you have decided to read the scripture figuratively to match it.
Well I'll answer your question, but you have not acknowledge or attempted to answer why complex plant life existed before life in the ocean, when this is completely incompatible with the evolutionary theory you subscribe to. So answer me that, and don't ignore it because you can't talk your way out of it, even with false science.
So if I understand correctly you are asking me why creatures began in the ocean, and the significance of this? Because God started life in the ocean in his decision. Now I won't proclaim to know the mind of God or explain his actions on my own authority. I can make a guess though. Ocean animals live in the ocean, birds fly above the earth, land animals live on land. Humans live on land. It was a perfect progression toward our "living" domain. This is my guess, I'm not claiming it on my own authority or man's, but I do know it occurred in the order described in The Bible on God's authority.
Do you subscribe to the whale evolution? Why does the Bible state God created Whales in the ocean before land animals, yet you subscribe to a theory that states the whale was first a land animal?
There are two possibilities for these incompatible beliefs. Either you don't subscribe to the whale evolutionary chain, or you have deceived yourself into believing The Bible wasn't talking about "those whales" when it literally said whales. You can reject evolution on this matter or you can reject The Bible by forcing figurative or symbolic reading of this literal verse. Which master do you serve?
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I think it is a very good question
God killed two animals to make clothes for the man and the woman - why did these die? Had those animals sinned?
Careful - the correct answer cannot make God anything but absolutely perfect and just
He tells Satan, cursed are you above all cattle
Doesn't this imply cattle are cursed? How did the cattle get cursed, and why is God comparing Satan with them?
These are not simple questions imho
Both how God defines death and defines day are very important. Also very important is does the Serpent define either or both differently when he speaks to the woman?
Actually everything reproducing according to its kind sounds a lot like evolution within family or phyla. How many breeds of dog do you think were on the ark?
Oh so you've decided the dust represents something, rather than God using it to create us. So you have decided you can take the scripture figuratively on man's authority.
You've also decided the creation of Eve is figurative rather than an actual rib. You don't draw this conclusion from scripture, this is a conclusion from man's authority and you have decided to read the scripture figuratively to match it.
Well I'll answer your question, but you have not acknowledge or attempted to answer why complex plant life existed before life in the ocean, when this is completely incompatible with the evolutionary theory you subscribe to. So answer me that, and don't ignore it because you can't talk your way out of it, even with false science.
So if I understand correctly you are asking me why creatures began in the ocean, and the significance of this? Because God started life in the ocean in his decision. Now I won't proclaim to know the mind of God or explain his actions on my own authority. I can make a guess though. Ocean animals live in the ocean, birds fly above the earth, land animals live on land. Humans live on land. It was a perfect progression toward our "living" domain. This is my guess, I'm not claiming it on my own authority or man's, but I do know it occurred in the order described in The Bible on God's authority.
Do you subscribe to the whale evolution? Why does the Bible state God created Whales in the ocean before land animals, yet you subscribe to a theory that states the whale was first a land animal?
There are two possibilities for these incompatible beliefs. Either you don't subscribe to the whale evolutionary chain, or you have deceived yourself into believing The Bible wasn't talking about "those whales" when it literally said whales. You can reject evolution on this matter or you can reject The Bible by forcing figurative or symbolic reading of this literal verse. Which master do you serve?
If you believe that God literally took a clay from the ground, handmade some figure like a golem and then made it live, its on you. I am not interested in the discussion with you anymore, you are too personal and trying to force upon me your ways of work with Scripture or else... devil, masters etc.
I think that everything that reproduces must also die in some point of time. The planet is not unlimited in its resources and space, so physical death was a natural design.
Humans could eat from the tree of life (whatever that was, I do not know) and live forever, but it was conditional.
No, it's something entirely different, metamorphosis. But it points to the fact that everything necessary to become a butterfly was already there in the caterpillar, and it didn't need a million years to radically change. Which is very interesting!
Genesis says He created beast and living creatures, living souls. It does not say horse and dog and cow and gnu and zebra and ocelot.
Maybe an exhaustive list isn't necessary, or maybe there is another reason it says exactly what it says
No, they are very different processes. Evolving has to do with offspring being different in some way from parents, or subgroups of a kind being different than others of the same kind, surviving when other subgroups do not. Metamorphosis has to do with a single organism undergoing change in its own single lifetime.
a worldwide destruction that wiped out everything “under heaven.”
So the Bible does not describe a regional flood.
“And, behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth,
to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, [from under heaven];
Everything with the breath of life, from under heaven;
This would include every bird on earth at the time, this would
include every breathing thing under Heaven would die.
an ant or a mole anywhere on the earth died ,
if they where under heaven, on this earth period.
"every living substance that I have made
will I destroy from off the face of the earth”
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"and all the high hills, that were under [the whole heaven]"
this would include any mountain on earth that's under heaven.
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Jesus said in Matthew 24:37-39, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of
the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not
until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
Christ not only confirmed the events of Noah’s day, He said the same worldwide destruction
would come about in our day—only this time in the form of nuclear world war! (ver 21-22).
In Hebrews 11, the Apostle Paul wrote, “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not
seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he
condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith” (v. 7).
God gave Noah absolutely no physical evidence to suggest that a flood would come.
And yet he built the ark—believing and acting on what God said would happen.
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Those who believe this was not a world wide flood have no faith in the bible text.
So the Bible does not describe a regional flood.
“And, behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth,
to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, [from under heaven];
Everything with the breath of life, from under heaven;
This would include every bird on earth at the time, this would
include every breathing thing under Heaven would die.
an ant or a mole anywhere on the earth died ,
if they where under heaven, on this earth period.
"every living substance that I have made
will I destroy from off the face of the earth”
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"and all the high hills, that were under [the whole heaven]"
this would include any mountain on earth that's under heaven.
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Jesus said in Matthew 24:37-39, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of
the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not
until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
Christ not only confirmed the events of Noah’s day, He said the same worldwide destruction
would come about in our day—only this time in the form of nuclear world war! (ver 21-22).
In Hebrews 11, the Apostle Paul wrote, “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not
seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he
condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith” (v. 7).
God gave Noah absolutely no physical evidence to suggest that a flood would come.
And yet he built the ark—believing and acting on what God said would happen.
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Those who believe this was not a world wide flood have no faith in the bible text.
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If evolutionary theory was true, there should be millions and billions of
[transitional fossils] showing every single stage of gradient in evolutionary transition.
As each species of organisms evolved into another species they would have
left their bones behind, just like every other distinct organism has.
But the bones aren’t there.If there are no bones of transitional species,
there can be no basis for believing in evolution.
[transitional fossils] showing every single stage of gradient in evolutionary transition.
As each species of organisms evolved into another species they would have
left their bones behind, just like every other distinct organism has.
But the bones aren’t there.If there are no bones of transitional species,
there can be no basis for believing in evolution.
The Fraud of Evolution and how science cheats at proving its pet theory.
To be considered a theory, something must be “confirmed” and account
for the “known facts.” Evolution has been neither.
At best, evolution is a hypothesis. Unproven and without “correspondence
with fact,” it stands as an idea scientists seem desperate to substantiate,
though they remain unable to do so.
Evolution is the belief that life spontaneously erupted from non-living chemicals.
Evolution supporters suggest that fish somehow became amphibians and amphibians
somehow became mammals. This process is supposed to have taken many millions
of years, involving millions of intermediate steps to achieve.
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Do not confuse the theory of evolution with adaptation of a species or genetic variation.
Adaptation simply means that something changes to fit its environment, not that it changes
into some other species. Genetic variation occurs when there are limiting factors in the
available gene pool. But again, it does not produce some new species—only changes
within the same specie
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There are multitudes of misleading statements, false conclusions and outright lies
common to pro-evolution literature.
Spontaneous Generation :The idea that life sprang forth from some primordial ooze is at
the foundation of the evolutionary concept—that is what evolutionists claim caused life on
Earth to begin. However, the idea of spontaneous generation was disproved centuries ago.
“After the microscope was invented in 1683, the masterly work of Tyndall and Louis Pasteur
proved conclusively that the ‘law of biogenesis’ [that life can come only from life] held true
for microscopic forms of life as well!
“Evolutionists, geneticists, biologists, scientists in any field whatsoever,
have never been able to demonstrate, nor to offer the slightest evidence
that the living can come into existence from the not-living!
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God the Creator has an enemy, Satan the devil, who opposes Him in everything.
The influence of God’s enemy on the thinking of scientists becomes obvious
when they dismiss the truth and accept such lies.
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
to a reprobate mind …” (Romans 1:28). Satan has displaced God from the thinking of
most humans and God has allowed a “reprobate mind” to be the result. This lack of logic
is evident throughout the “theory” of evolution and in the scientists who embrace it.
Evolution is Satan’s most powerful modern weapon, It is Christianity’s greatest enemy
To be considered a theory, something must be “confirmed” and account
for the “known facts.” Evolution has been neither.
At best, evolution is a hypothesis. Unproven and without “correspondence
with fact,” it stands as an idea scientists seem desperate to substantiate,
though they remain unable to do so.
Evolution is the belief that life spontaneously erupted from non-living chemicals.
Evolution supporters suggest that fish somehow became amphibians and amphibians
somehow became mammals. This process is supposed to have taken many millions
of years, involving millions of intermediate steps to achieve.
-
Do not confuse the theory of evolution with adaptation of a species or genetic variation.
Adaptation simply means that something changes to fit its environment, not that it changes
into some other species. Genetic variation occurs when there are limiting factors in the
available gene pool. But again, it does not produce some new species—only changes
within the same specie
-
There are multitudes of misleading statements, false conclusions and outright lies
common to pro-evolution literature.
Spontaneous Generation :The idea that life sprang forth from some primordial ooze is at
the foundation of the evolutionary concept—that is what evolutionists claim caused life on
Earth to begin. However, the idea of spontaneous generation was disproved centuries ago.
“After the microscope was invented in 1683, the masterly work of Tyndall and Louis Pasteur
proved conclusively that the ‘law of biogenesis’ [that life can come only from life] held true
for microscopic forms of life as well!
“Evolutionists, geneticists, biologists, scientists in any field whatsoever,
have never been able to demonstrate, nor to offer the slightest evidence
that the living can come into existence from the not-living!
-
God the Creator has an enemy, Satan the devil, who opposes Him in everything.
The influence of God’s enemy on the thinking of scientists becomes obvious
when they dismiss the truth and accept such lies.
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
to a reprobate mind …” (Romans 1:28). Satan has displaced God from the thinking of
most humans and God has allowed a “reprobate mind” to be the result. This lack of logic
is evident throughout the “theory” of evolution and in the scientists who embrace it.
Evolution is Satan’s most powerful modern weapon, It is Christianity’s greatest enemy
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