Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

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phil112

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I hear so many people providing this, and the next, scripture as proof of a rapture. The bible never says such a thing, nor do I believe it, as Christ setting foot literally on this earth again.

Taken, in this context, means being received. We shall be received by Christ. Left, here is sent away. Every human that has ever been on this planet (except the three that are already there) will leave earth at that time. One small group to be with Christ, and one large group to go the opposite direction. The earth will be destroyed. A new heaven and a new earth is our abode in the life eternal.

We will be caught up in the air to meet Him - not to bring Him back to earth, after all He already knows how to get here, but to escort us to our home eternal - someplace we have to be shown how to go to since we have never been there.
 
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Greetings phil112, always refreshing to run into you again and with a truth in your luggage. 100% right, for it is written for those that can read and understand:

Matthew 24: 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 "Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.…

A good description of the "rapture", and the fact that we who are dead in the Lord will be "resurrected" and in a moment, the twinkling of an eye, be transformed as He and we ill meet Him in the Air, and then those that are the lucky ones (for they will not taste death) meet Him also in the air. Then we're off to heaven with Him for the Time being.

We see the "rapture in the 1st versus of the 4th chapter of the Revelation for we go form letters to the churches to heaven and the things that will happen thereafter. Wonderful description of heaven and all that takes place there, long story short, Christ returns after the 7 year tribulation, and we are all riding white horses and wearing our Sunday best whites, to the horror and glory, and Christ does the fighting and we just watch, we do not actively get involved, He does it all with the Word of God that proceeds out of His mouth. Throws satan in the fiery pit. Can't wait to see that. The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven and He will reign for 1000 years of peace. Then He lest satan again for a time and judgement falls.

That's it in a nutshell and it is all faithful and true He says. Praise God for His Word and the blood that made it possible to become His children through Christ Jesus.
 
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Might I offer and different take on that passage?

37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

If it will be as in "the days of Noah", who was left on the earth and who was taken away?
 
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Taken away to judgement is my take.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Might I offer and different take on that passage?

37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

If it will be as in "the days of Noah", who was left on the earth and who was taken away?
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Reasonable comparison, but it actually doesn't differ from what the bible says. The ark didn't "take them away" from the flood, it merely protected them from it. They very much so were received into God's protection. The flood swept away those who stayed. As it was in the days of Noah........We will be received into God's protection on that day, and those not caught up to the heavens will be swept away to an eternal place of damnation.
 
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Hi everybody. I'm new to this site, so bear with me. In response to the passage in question, it's apparent that the people who are taken away are wicked people and the redeemed are left behind to inherit the earth. Also, if you examine the book of Exodus and the crossing of the Red Sea, Pharaoh and his hosts were taken away and the chosen people were left. Also, the same pattern is seen in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where the wicked were taken away and the righteous are left. I would contend the Jesus will save his people THROUGH the tribulation and not FROM it. I do understand that there are some conflicting beliefs concerning Post-Trib or Mid-Trib or Pre-Trib, but when you examine all the saints who went before us, most of them suffered persecution and/or affliction in some capacity. We need to be careful not to look at the catching up of the Church as a way of escapism. Is the modern day Church too good to go through persecution? I'm certain that Jesus will provide supernatural protection for His people during the tribulation, but we cannot underestimate the possibility of persecution among the followers of Christ, just as it was in the days of the early Church. Jesus brings us THROUGH the tests and brings us THROUGH the trials of life. We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of our testimony. Some of us want the power and the blessings, but without the trials and the tests. In any case, the passage in question, in my opinion, refers to the wicked being taken away and the righteous are left to enjoy God's reward. Consider this passage from Psalm 37:10... For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
 
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i believe this happens at jesus' second coming at the very end of the world...

at the end of the tribulation those of us who belong to jesus will be taken up to meet him in the air...the rest will meet him on much less friendly terms...
 
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jfiles said:
Hi everybody. I'm new to this site, so bear with me. In response to the passage in question, it's apparent that the people who are taken away are wicked people and the redeemed are left behind to inherit the earth. ....................
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That's not clear at all. Bring some scripture to the table to support such a hypothesis. I don't want to inherit the earth. It is going to be utterly and wholly consumed. What bible are you reading from, friend?
 
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It has to be understood in the whole context - and we can see from the previous verses what that context is:

(Mat 24:18 KJV) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

(Mat 24:19 KJV) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

(Mat 24:20 KJV) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

And we have also have this from Luke:

(Luke 21:20 KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

(Luke 21:21 KJV) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

We know that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in the 1st century Jewish war, so this should lead to the conclusion that this was the time for the events in Matt 24 to have happened.

Jerusalem was surrendered many times after that throughout history so either the above happened in 70AD or Jesus' prophesies were false - and we know that ain't so.

The 1st century Christians escaped to Pella just as the Lord told them to do - flee.
 
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phil112 said:
That's not clear at all. Bring some scripture to the table to support such a hypothesis. I don't want to inherit the earth. It is going to be utterly and wholly consumed. What bible are you reading from, friend?
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Revelation 5:10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
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phil112 said:
That's not clear at all. Bring some scripture to the table to support such a hypothesis. I don't want to inherit the earth. It is going to be utterly and wholly consumed. What bible are you reading from, friend?
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  • Psalm 37:9For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
  • Psalm 37:11But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
  • Psalm 37:22For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
 
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phil112 said:
Reasonable comparison, but it actually doesn't differ from what the bible says. The ark didn't "take them away" from the flood, it merely protected them from it. They very much so were received into God's protection. The flood swept away those who stayed. As it was in the days of Noah........We will be received into God's protection on that day, and those not caught up to the heavens will be swept away to an eternal place of damnation.
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I'm of the belief that it is the wicked who are taken away, and the righteous stay protected on the earth, not taken up in some sort of rapture.
 
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phil112 said:
That's not clear at all. Bring some scripture to the table to support such a hypothesis. I don't want to inherit the earth. It is going to be utterly and wholly consumed. What bible are you reading from, friend?
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Malachi 4:2-4 (King James Version)


Malachi 4:2-4

King James Version (KJV)

2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.





 
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phil112

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Revelation 5:10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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And indeed, we do that now in the spiritual world. You should think twice about taking a passage from Revelation and accepting as being meant completely literally.
 
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Kerry

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From what I see today as to what the meaning could be applied too is this. Two are in the field working, one is working to prove his righteousness and the other through faith in the cross is representing the fruit of the Spirit. Which one do you think is left and which one is taken?
 
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phil112

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"Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."
This is the period of time He is telling us about. One taken(received by Him) and one left (sent to burn in hell fire) at the day of judgement.
 
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Luke 17 [36] Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[37] And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Clearly taken in judgment.
 
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