"There be some standing here..."

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oyster67

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Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

As I pondered the possible meaning and application of this verse, another verse popped into my head...
Job 19:26
“And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:”

Do both of these verses imply that "men of old" will see God first in their flesh? Why wouldn't they focus on meeting Him first in the Spirit?

Now another passage just came to mind...
2 Corinthians 12:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Are Matthew 16:28 and 2 Corinthians 12:2 referring to John? Is Job 19:26 referring to the encounter at the end of Job or to the time his body will be raptured?
 
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oyster67 said:
Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

As I pondered the possible meaning and application of this verse, another verse popped into my head...
Job 19:26
“And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:”

Do both of these verses imply that "men of old" will see God first in their flesh? Why wouldn't they focus on meeting Him first in the Spirit?

Now another passage just came to mind...
2 Corinthians 12:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Are Matthew 16:28 and 2 Corinthians 12:2 referring to John? Is Job 19:26 referring to the encounter at the end of Job or to the time his body will be raptured?
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it does sound similar, it could also be a prophesy, of the coming of our lord.
 
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oyster67 said:
Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
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Pretend that there was no Chapter change, and see what follows:

Matt. 17:1-8

And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.” 5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces and were terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them, saying, “Rise, and have no fear.” 8 And when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.

Could this be connected?
 
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oyster67 said:
Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
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In what sense was this accomplished? The only way to understand it in the light of the transfiguration is to see that what Christ was saying is that the apostles Peter, James, and John -- while alive on earth -- would see Christ as He will appear in His glory when He comes to establish His Kingdom on earth. As Jesus said He would come with "with power and great glory" (the glory being the brightness of His person radiating light) at his Second Coming.
 
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oyster67 said:
Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

As I pondered the possible meaning and application of this verse, another verse popped into my head...
Job 19:26
“And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:”

Do both of these verses imply that "men of old" will see God first in their flesh? Why wouldn't they focus on meeting Him first in the Spirit?

Now another passage just came to mind...
2 Corinthians 12:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Are Matthew 16:28 and 2 Corinthians 12:2 referring to John? Is Job 19:26 referring to the encounter at the end of Job or to the time his body will be raptured?
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I believe it was literal. Such a thing was said beforehand to Simeon. Luke 2:25-30 says,

25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Isn't that what Revelation is, John literally seeing Christ come into his kingdom. In the verses preceding 24-27 says,

25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

I would saw that John as well saw this, Christ coming in glory and with the angels, he saw those who overcame by the blood of the lamb and loved not their lives to the death. Those who lost their lives yet gained them.

I believe it was literal and was just as Christ had said prior to him, as John was told to write what he was seeing and John even throughout uses the language and I saw, then records what he has seen.

Tradition records that after John had seen this and wrote it that just a numbers of years later he died. So I believe this truth that Christ spoke over John was fulfilled on the Isle of Patmos and in so doing we are now blessed as Revelation makes it clear we so are blessed to read what he saw.
 
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oyster67 said:
Are Matthew 16:28 and 2 Corinthians 12:2 referring to John? Is Job 19:26 referring to the encounter at the end of Job or to the time his body will be raptured?
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i've always taken Job 19:26 to refer to resurrection -- when God confronts him in chapter 38 ((v.1, also 50:6)), it is His voice speaking out of the whirlwind -- Job doesn't see His form.
 
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John saw the coming of Jesus' Glory, in Rev. 1, and at the 7th Vial. He actually was given a vision of future events, he was carried forward in time, lol. No one gets that.

Also, all of the Disciples saw Jesus in John 20 return with the gift of the Holy Spirit. When you have a resurrected Glorious Body, which can nit be killed, I see that as Jesus in his glory also, but personally I think he was speaking of John being shown those future events.
 
oyster67

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stilllearning said:
I would saw that John as well saw this, Christ coming in glory and with the angels, he saw those who overcame by the blood of the lamb and loved not their lives to the death. Those who lost their lives yet gained them.

I believe it was literal and was just as Christ had said prior to him, as John was told to write what he was seeing and John even throughout uses the language and I saw, then records what he has seen.

Tradition records that after John had seen this and wrote it that just a numbers of years later he died. So I believe this truth that Christ spoke over John was fulfilled on the Isle of Patmos and in so doing we are now blessed as Revelation makes it clear we so are blessed to read what he saw.
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Yes. I believe this also. I believe it was more than a dream. It seems to be separate from the letters to the Churches vision.
Revelation 4:2
“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
 
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oyster67 said:
Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

As I pondered the possible meaning and application of this verse, another verse popped into my head...
Job 19:26
“And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:”

Do both of these verses imply that "men of old" will see God first in their flesh? Why wouldn't they focus on meeting Him first in the Spirit?

Now another passage just came to mind...
2 Corinthians 12:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Are Matthew 16:28 and 2 Corinthians 12:2 referring to John? Is Job 19:26 referring to the encounter at the end of Job or to the time his body will be raptured?
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did you notice he took three of them and did something just after ? They saw something others hadn’t seen
 
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