There is no Unpardonable Sin
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The "blasphemy against the Spirit" is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. The term blasphemy may be generally defined as "defiant irreverence." This case of blasphemy is a specific one, called "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub" (Matthew 12:24). Now notice that in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit," which is unpardonable. What is unpardonable for us today is the state of continued unbelief.
Why don't you argue with a guy that hasn't been here for a year? I guess that's one argument you'll win.
Thank you my freind...I don't want to offend anybody by posting on older threads but some of them are just so fascinating....
Why don't you argue with a guy that hasn't been here for a year? I guess that's one argument you'll win.
Steven Do you really think that this person is the only one who thinks about this? I'm not here to offend anyone but people can still learn from an old post.. Why not try this..Don't read them.
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I wonder where Blain is...usually he posts this hilarious dead thread image in such cases as this one...
Okay, fine, I'll do it instead...(Hope you don't mind, Blain...)
Okay, fine, I'll do it instead...(Hope you don't mind, Blain...)
Ummm All preachers do that. They all preach to others their interpretation of the scriptures instead of allowing scripture to speak for itself The only way to avoid that is to read the Word. Word for word...Or to let the Holy Spirit guide the teaching...Unfortunately though, most Christians want to learn Gods Word by intellect and not by the Spirit...What's the result? What you see..Spiritual chaos
I wonder where Blain is...usually he posts this hilarious dead thread image in such cases as this one...
Okay, fine, I'll do it instead...(Hope you don't mind, Blain...)
LOL Good one...You don't think its trolling to criticize one for contributing where others can learn and grow?
Thanks, Great summary, if I could add .
Blasphemy is like the word Plagiarism; stealing the work of the author by having it in respects to oneself or another other than the author. It is a product of violating the first commandment by having other gods (multiple) before our living God, the one author and finisher of Christian faith. This would include one self as a god seeing we are made in the image of God as sons thereof.( Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?)
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The Jews who sought after a sign before they would exercise faith they knew Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God would come in the flesh, but it did not fulfill the kind of sign they were looking for .Destroying the Gentiles and set up the kingdom of God on this sin cursed(corrupted)earth. By doing so they stumbled over the cross making it to no effect.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for “blasphemy”; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. Joh 10:31
Christ as the Son of man (the temporal flesh) attributed the work he did to the father, this flesh profited for nothing.
God who is not a man (no form, not a creation) as us will not accredit the things seen (Son of man) as evidence he was God… not seen. It would be to violate the faith principle. (Believe without seeing or believing His voice, is seeing.(understanding)
Christ as the Son of man rejected any worship that could be attributed to what the eye sees.(flesh and blood) When called “good master” as that seen as the true master (Rabbi) as the infallible teacher. The Son of man would say… only God “not seen” is good, He alone is the good teacher comforter and guide. One is our infallible teacher and guide not seen and the same with the word father in the same context, one is our father in heaven, not seen.
I would suggest you read v31-32 above again from a literal viewpoint...There is NO,I say NO other way to interpret these verses. Jesus said just exactly what He meant. There are some other unforgivable sins within the scriptures such as cursing Israel.
It is apparent that you are one of those that had rather make the Bible mean what you say, on Your Authority instead of on the Authority of GOD as written in the Bible.
I suggest that if you do not believe these verses, then by all means continue your present lifestyle (what ever that is) but please do not drag others down with you.
Blade
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Where Beelzebub becomes a point of discussion... it reverts back to Exodus. The Holy Spirit challenging them in Luke to walk by faith (the unseen) rather than walking by sight in which they were.
Luk 11:19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges
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They would give credit the kind of god they called Beelzebub to doing the work to the Son of man ,again it was founded in the Exodus account .
Beelzebub, as Lord of the flies/lice.
Two signs were given to the rbelious (signs are to those who belive not).The first sign had ben completed against the rebellious who assigned different gods to different situations (many gods), gods of the hills, gods of the valley, gods of foods, gods assigned to tumors, gods of procreation, and Lord of flies/lice etc.
The flies or lice used to indicate death (leporacy) is the first thing which could not be duplicated by their magicians as others before.
Psa 105:31 He spake, and there came divers sorts of flies, and lice in all their coasts.
The word and lice was added above. Flies could mean a swarm, as swarm of lice. Which could be called flies, either way it’s the principle not the kind of insect.
It was in respect to the second sign given to Moses. When he put his hand into His cloak it represented leprosy… as in no life .A signal for the flies to come in and feast.
And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. Exo 4:6
And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. Exo 8:18
Luk 11:19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges
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They would give credit the kind of god they called Beelzebub to doing the work to the Son of man ,again it was founded in the Exodus account .
Beelzebub, as Lord of the flies/lice.
Two signs were given to the rbelious (signs are to those who belive not).The first sign had ben completed against the rebellious who assigned different gods to different situations (many gods), gods of the hills, gods of the valley, gods of foods, gods assigned to tumors, gods of procreation, and Lord of flies/lice etc.
The flies or lice used to indicate death (leporacy) is the first thing which could not be duplicated by their magicians as others before.
Psa 105:31 He spake, and there came divers sorts of flies, and lice in all their coasts.
The word and lice was added above. Flies could mean a swarm, as swarm of lice. Which could be called flies, either way it’s the principle not the kind of insect.
It was in respect to the second sign given to Moses. When he put his hand into His cloak it represented leprosy… as in no life .A signal for the flies to come in and feast.
And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. Exo 4:6
And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. Exo 8:18
On this subject I had a thought, which for some is a dangerous thing.
Who teaches us about Christ?
The Holy Spirit
Who convicts and leads us through?
The Holy Spirit
Who communes with us as His Holy people?
The Holy Spirit
Who speaks with that still small voice to our hearts?
The Holy Spirit
In a very real way the Holy Spirit is our communion with God, the seal on our
hearts, the one being who makes the intangible real.
So to cause a problem with Him, is to loose the very thing upon which our
life depends and who would never harm or cause a problem with.
The Holy Spirit is Gods heart, His desires and His intentions.
The ideas Jesus puts forward are hard, and the judge is always the one we rail
against, but the Holy Spirit brings only love and good intentions, the best for all.
There is nothing you can rail against the Holy Spirit, so if you do, how can there be
forgiveness, because there is no excuse.
Who teaches us about Christ?
The Holy Spirit
Who convicts and leads us through?
The Holy Spirit
Who communes with us as His Holy people?
The Holy Spirit
Who speaks with that still small voice to our hearts?
The Holy Spirit
In a very real way the Holy Spirit is our communion with God, the seal on our
hearts, the one being who makes the intangible real.
So to cause a problem with Him, is to loose the very thing upon which our
life depends and who would never harm or cause a problem with.
The Holy Spirit is Gods heart, His desires and His intentions.
The ideas Jesus puts forward are hard, and the judge is always the one we rail
against, but the Holy Spirit brings only love and good intentions, the best for all.
There is nothing you can rail against the Holy Spirit, so if you do, how can there be
forgiveness, because there is no excuse.
There many out there that will dispute these words you speak. I have spoke with a few that delight in the surprise they have when I tell them the Holy Spirit lives within them if they truly believe in Jesus Christ and his Gospel.
Blade
Yes he is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases. He performs that which he appoints to us .It is God who can make our hearts soft by the water of His word the gospel of our salvation.
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth meJob 23:13
It a gracious thing that he cannot (impossible) deny Himself when we deny him in unbelief (no faith) He remains faithful if not how would he turn us towards himself so that then after he does the work of turning, we can repent?
He does the work of turning us not us Him
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.2Ti 2:12
. We would be like those in the Hebrews 6 boat crucifying him over and over every time we did deny him by sinning against him. Better things accomapany salvation like the total redemption of our new born again souls.
