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rude
(ro͞od)
adj. rud·er, rud·est
1. Ill-mannered, discourteous, or insulting: was offended by his rude behavior.
2.
a. Undeveloped or uncivilized; primitive: a rude and savage land.
b. Crude, unfinished, or made with limited skill: a rude thatched hut.
c. In a natural, raw state: bales of rude cotton.
3. Unpleasantly forceful or harsh: faced rude winds; received a rude shock.
4. Chiefly British Vigorous or robust: in rude health.
5. Archaic Lacking education or refinement: "They were so rude and ignorant ... that very little could be learned from them" (Samuel Johnson).
(ro͞od)
adj. rud·er, rud·est
1. Ill-mannered, discourteous, or insulting: was offended by his rude behavior.
2.
a. Undeveloped or uncivilized; primitive: a rude and savage land.
b. Crude, unfinished, or made with limited skill: a rude thatched hut.
c. In a natural, raw state: bales of rude cotton.
3. Unpleasantly forceful or harsh: faced rude winds; received a rude shock.
4. Chiefly British Vigorous or robust: in rude health.
5. Archaic Lacking education or refinement: "They were so rude and ignorant ... that very little could be learned from them" (Samuel Johnson).
Warning the young man to stay away from the contradictions, confusion, non-credible, non-authoritative "untruth" of man made denominations? Warning the young man that what God has not planted will get rooted up, Mt 15:13?
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So how about answering my questions? Christ establish man made denominations with all the contradicting faiths? The bible a book full of contradictions? The truth of Jn 17:17 contradict itself? Is man saved by "the truth" of Jn 17:17 or man made contradictions?
How much biblical error (not the truth of Jn 17:17) can one be in and still be saved anyway?
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Knowing theological facts from the Bible does not mean we go to heaven because of it. Jesus is the only way we are saved.
Baptists consist of independent churches of believers who chose to covenant with other believers for the purpose of ministry, training and evangelism. There is no one in charge, no one over another, and no hierarchy.
I guess you didn't know that. Baptists don't believe in creeds, although one convention got a bit messed up in 2000 with their over-reaching Faith and Message, which became a creed.
Each Baptist church is independently owned and directed. But for the purpose of ministering, especially in missions, a larger body of people who contribute their knowledge and their lives results in greater results for the Great Commission.
Do you even believe in the Great Commission, SeaBass? Because if you don't believe anyone is saved, then my thought is there really is no point in going out into the world to make disciples, is there?
Really, you have a lose-lose soteriology. If you don't do the right works, you aren't saved. You can't trust in Jesus work on the cross, only your own work. So there is no point in sharing the gospel, because likely anyone you could lead to Christ probably wouldn't make it on your narrow terms.
You do know the Great Commission, right?
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20
"πορευθέντες οὖν μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη," Matt 29:19
This phrase in Greek is very interesting, because it has two verbs, πορευθέντες, (poreuthentes), and μαθητεύσατε (mathateusate). Although we seem to translate mathateusate into a noun, it is in fact an aorist imperative active, 2nd person plural. It means we are commanded to "Make disciples".
But if you don't believe anyone can be saved, likely you won't be about obeying this command to make disciples. Hmm, I guess that makes you disobedient to Jesus last command. Does that mean you lose your salvation.
Or maybe I am a bit mixed up. Maybe you are trying to make disciples to your "other" gospel, and this is the very place you have picked to do it!!
So many lost and going to hell in the world, and you choose to make disciples to your false doctrines of people who are already saved. So sad!
I think reading Romans 14 should be a requirement to register on here, with a mini-quiz attached, to be sure that the person didnt just scroll through it and just clicked Okay Okay Install Accept...
(5 minutes later... "wait, whats up with this toolbar? it serves nothing and plus it's not working? when did I even install this? and why is everything now loading so slow...?")
That alone would eliminate about 2/3 of the Bible arguments (="doubtful disputations").
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
I would not like be brought into a situation to have to answer to God for condemning someone whom He pronounced guiltless through Jesus.
So how about answering my questions? Christ establish man made denominations with all the contradicting faiths? The bible a book full of contradictions? The truth of Jn 17:17 contradict itself? Is man saved by "the truth" of Jn 17:17 or man made contradictions?
How much biblical error (not the truth of Jn 17:17) can one be in and still be saved anyway?
I see you do not really want to answers my questions I asked.
So I leave this thread here tonight telling you what I began with..you either accept denominationalism or the bible..you CANNOT accept both for both are polar opposites, completely antagonistic to each other, the bible condemns the contradictions, confusion 'non-truth' of denominationalism.
If Christianity were really made up of 1000's of groups that all contradict each other, then I would not waste my time on such a mixed up, contradicting MESS. Denominations cannot tell others they are wrong when the denominations cannot even agree among themselves as to what is right...making it very hypocritical for denominations to tell others they are wrong.
You are somewhat hypocrite, you insulted me, Liamson, several others saying you were joking...
I will not call you Nancy´s boy or Mizpeh.
Then proceed anyway you like.
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I hear theirs not disunity in Roman Catholiscim. Maybe you could give them a shot
Agreed on, sir!
Denominations were mentioned by our Lord?
He lived with Herodians, Zelots, Saducees, etc. and those the Gospel mentioned.
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, at all, As far as I am concerned, every single one of you has the right to be wrong.
I was wrong once. i wanted to know what it felt like.
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Look I already said I was sorry...don't you believe in forgiveness?
And the point was related to the topic of the thread....
I hear theirs not disunity in Roman Catholiscim. Maybe you could give them a shot
There are divisions inside it:
Franciscans, Jesuits, Marianites, etc.
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