sorry, I don't have it word for word. I summarized what I understood. I could have misunderstood. But how would you say it? We are convinced to sin? We are _____ to sin. Fill in the blank, please.
Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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sorry, I don't have it word for word. I summarized what I understood. I could have misunderstood. But how would you say it? We are convinced to sin? We are _____ to sin. Fill in the blank, please.
I know.....bait and switch....and then they go away thinking they really got ya....I can see them off line bragging....boy I set this guy straight......cake takers and workers for....They will ride that deception all the way to the pit.....
Yes, my point exactly. Jesus became sin itself. So we who have sinned could be the righteousness of God.
Your words were clear enough and I asked for you to find a place where WE say such things....NO ONE here has said that WE ARE COMPLELLED TO SIN or even that we MUST SIN.....ANGELA....this accusation flies around here like green blow flies on a pile in the yard.......we constantly get accused of this...we are defending sin, we live anyway we want, we live like the devil etc. and to be honest......WE are sick of it.....!
And when we say that we still are compelled to sin after he has saved us
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IE, So we could be saved, He became the atoning sacrifice, who's blood was splattered on the mercy seat, so the sins could not be counted against us.
It does not mean we become sinless.
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I'm, sorry. But you really don't know me. And it hurts that you think such things. I'm not of the opinion that you believe you should sin all you want because it doesn't matter. That's not my opinion whatsoever. I think you love God love and honor Him. But you believe that every now and then we slip up. I understand that and I respect that.
I believe we do not have to sin though. We are a new creature. I want to share my beliefs with you so that you might be free to sin no longer. It's not that I think you like to sin all you want. But I want to share with you a truth I believe that we are free from the power of sin. Please, forgive me if my actions have shown otherwise
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No, just as Adam and Eve sinned I sin as well. The law of sin has no power on me, just as it had no power on them. But they believed a lie as we sometimes do. We believe we know better. That's why i must be transformed by the renewing of my mind. When I know God then I know he has my best interests in mind. But I am no longer enslaved to sin as I was before Jesus saved me.
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and we would all agree with you. In spite of what some of the "workers" in here want you to believe.
Is this the post you're referring to?
When Christians are tempted to sin, sometimes it becomes to strong to resist, thus my comment about being compelled to sin.. Do we ALWAYS feel a compulsion to sin? No. But sin is a strong thing, and if we can't resist it, we feel that compulsion to do it.. As to the question of are we convinced to sin? YES, if satan's temptation is too much for us. He loves to lie to us.. "It's okay, go ahead and steal that car. You won't get caught".. And then the guy steals the car, and not only gets caught, but does 20 years for grand theft auto.. :/Here is an assignment for you. I want you to go to the Family forum, and read some of the threads in there on adultery, divorce, porn, etc. Then go to the Testimonies forum and see how people in there got delivered from some of those same things.
Is this the post you're referring to?
David was and is a man after God's own heart, was faithful and even God said that if what I had given was not enough all you would have had to do is ask for more.....He as a kid in boldness and faith b the hand of God defeated Goliath and was anointed King in Israel by GOD....God used David to write most of the Psalms found in the bible and yet DAVID looked down in a moment of weakness upon a woman and then took her and after a period of attempted guile and deceit had the man carry his own death warrant....
PETER raised the dead, walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick etc......and then denied the LORD in a moment of weakness
Abraham in a moment of weakness and fear had a his wife state that she was his sister so as to save Abraham's skin....
The most faithful men of the bible had their moments and their sins....even DANIEL had to confess his sins which we have no record of......
Some men's sins go before judgment and some men's sins after.....we are all in the same boat....serious!
Now I am going to have a wild stab in the dark here, if anyone is in close proximity I suggest you get out of arms length.
I assume you are talking about
Romans 8:1
Chapter 8
Free from Indwelling Sin
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Ok I reckon the reason and I may be wrong but the reason is that the bible EG has does not have the second part in it. It is in verse 4 where it belongs, along with all translations.
Adherents to KJV (based on textus receptus) say it shoud be in and every other translation is wrong.
I am not going to
Me also thinks you have an agenda here which is believers will be condemned if they sin and lose salvation and this is why you have the question you have a few times. If I am wrong in this assumption please correct me.
So as said EG's bible does not have part b, that's all.
Now regarding Romans 8:1 part a only or part a&b if you wish to discuss this I suggest you start a new post on this.
If my assumption is correct you take it further than the intention of this post and make it a salvation issue then as I suggest start a new post on it.
The below is something I have in my library.
Theologically, the omission of the last half of the verse carries a doctrinal error. To say that there is no condemnation whatsoever of any who are in Christ Jesus is to overlook the whole of scripture. In fact, we are told that it is very possible for those who are in Christ to suffer condemnation. If the Believer is walking, not after the Spirit but after the flesh, his or her works are nothing but wood, hay, and stubble. If the Believer is walking after the Spirit, and not after the flesh, his or her works are gold, silver, and precious stones. (1 Corinthians 3:12). Everyone's works will be tried by fire. Fleshly works will be burned and Spiritual works will endure. We are told, "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:15).
notice how it states the omission of part b is a doctrinal error but notice how it finishes.
So so if you open a new post maybe the above could be used as a starting point.
EG, enjoy the bible you read, in the knowledge of your faith that it is Christ who saves you/us positional sanctification, which is a saint/Holy and set apart.
Then the Father works in you/us to conform us to the image of Christ. If we could become sinless then we not need.
Progressive sanctification.
Me thinks you know that anyway, just trying to make my point
I agree with all of this. Each of these men failed greatly and were great men of God. But I would like to stress the fact that Jesus has not yet been crucified when these failings took place. I'm not saying we don't sin now. But things are not exactly the same. We have access to the Holy Spirit now, which came at Pentecost.
The truth is to me that the flesh is a deceptive thing. Malice is just as much as walking after the flesh as living a homosexual lifestyle is. Malice is "ill-will" towards someone. Learning to walk by the Spirit is the only way to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Outbursts of anger and many other things are in the same list as well.
I love the simple truth that because we are in Christ - His blood continually cleanses us from all sin. We should have no more consciousness of sins as we walk by the Spirit.
His life in us will manifest as the fruit of love, joy, peace, patience, faith, goodness, kindness, gentleness and self-control ( Yes, self-control is a fruit of the Spirit - not a product of human fleshly will-power )
I love the simple truth that because we are in Christ - His blood continually cleanses us from all sin. We should have no more consciousness of sins as we walk by the Spirit.
His life in us will manifest as the fruit of love, joy, peace, patience, faith, goodness, kindness, gentleness and self-control ( Yes, self-control is a fruit of the Spirit - not a product of human fleshly will-power )
I guess David was ignorant when he speaks of the guidance and leadership of the Spirit of God....sorry...your premise does not bear out......I am the Lord thy God I change NOT and JESUS Christ the same yesterday, today and forever!
The Leadership of the Spirit is found in the O.T.....just not a prevalent as it is in the N.T.
Yes, God does not change. But I think are access to Him does. The Holy Spirit was there but he could not reside in us. Since we were still sinners because Christ had not been crucified yet. Our sin had yet to be atoned for. I believe the sending of the Holy Spirit was very important. Why else would Jesus say wait until the Holy Spirit has come upon you? (Luke 24:49)
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Well since a few people have mentioned it, And since, by the mere fact he made an appearance, it should be obvious to everyone that he has no intention of answering my question. And has thus lost all semblance of reliability in my view, I will show that I am not afraid to answer questions and answer.
As a few people have pretty much made clear. the question is prety much a non issue. Whether I could not post more words. or I use a different bible are all valid responses, and show.. the intent of the question is not a good one to begin with.
Now for the truth (thanks to Those who tried to help)
I grew up King Jimmy, In fact, I am sure I memorized this verse (the long version) when I was a kid in sunday school. My church was part of the King Jimmy Cult (yes I call it a cult) and I have been rescued from it, However, I still use my NKJV most of the time, But I teach out of NASB or ESV, because that is what most people in my church use (I am the only one who uses the king jimmy)
But as I tried to say earlier, it does not matter, and it is not what he tried to make it out to be.
My sig says, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ That is true, Whether you use the King Jimmy or not. Those words are fact.
Now whether i posted the King Jimmy addition or not does not matter.
why?
1. It says there is not condemnation for those who are "IN CHRIST"
Not "as long as they" do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit,
Not "Because they", do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Bit it says
"who" do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Even if it is a part of scripture. It does not support that one can lose salvation. It would instead say a fact,
WHo (Those who are in Christ), do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
It is who they are. People who are in christ do not walk according to the flesh (the old way, before they came to God) they walk according to the spirit (as a new creature in christ)
Now. Again, This does not mean they are perfect. it does not mean they do not sin, It does not mean they will be super duper mature believers like Paul and Peter and John.
What is means is, they have true faith, This they will have true works.
which is what DC, Myself and so many others have been saying all along.
so again, In order to try to discredit me for doing something I did not even do, He just discredited himself..
As a few people have pretty much made clear. the question is prety much a non issue. Whether I could not post more words. or I use a different bible are all valid responses, and show.. the intent of the question is not a good one to begin with.
Now for the truth (thanks to Those who tried to help)
I grew up King Jimmy, In fact, I am sure I memorized this verse (the long version) when I was a kid in sunday school. My church was part of the King Jimmy Cult (yes I call it a cult) and I have been rescued from it, However, I still use my NKJV most of the time, But I teach out of NASB or ESV, because that is what most people in my church use (I am the only one who uses the king jimmy)
But as I tried to say earlier, it does not matter, and it is not what he tried to make it out to be.
My sig says, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ That is true, Whether you use the King Jimmy or not. Those words are fact.
Now whether i posted the King Jimmy addition or not does not matter.
why?
1. It says there is not condemnation for those who are "IN CHRIST"
Not "as long as they" do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit,
Not "Because they", do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Bit it says
"who" do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Even if it is a part of scripture. It does not support that one can lose salvation. It would instead say a fact,
WHo (Those who are in Christ), do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
It is who they are. People who are in christ do not walk according to the flesh (the old way, before they came to God) they walk according to the spirit (as a new creature in christ)
Now. Again, This does not mean they are perfect. it does not mean they do not sin, It does not mean they will be super duper mature believers like Paul and Peter and John.
What is means is, they have true faith, This they will have true works.
which is what DC, Myself and so many others have been saying all along.
so again, In order to try to discredit me for doing something I did not even do, He just discredited himself..