Three Days and Three Nights

miknik5 · Jul 4, 2018

Who said anything about THE SPIRIT sir? We were talking about HIS laying down the flesh for the sheep.

HIS SPIRIT went elsewhere

HIS physical shell however was laid down for three days and then HE, by the SPIRIT reanimating HIS lifeless body, lived and physically manifested HIMSELF again in this temporal world

miknik5 · Jul 4, 2018

garee said:

The heart of the earth is NOT the same as living hell
CHRIST has authority over all things and HE went into the “heart of the earth” by THE SPIRIT which NEVER dies, to free those who were waiting for HIM in a literal hell sir.

Not figurative language sir but a real hell just as 1 Peter declares from which the LORD freed those souls who had been in disobedience and we’re held in captivity waiting for the fullness of time.

Nehemiah6 · Jul 5, 2018

miknik5 said:

The "heart of the earth" is not "hell". It is rather unfortunate that the KJV translators (possibly others) used the word "hell" for Hades. Christ went to Sheol/Hades for three days and three nights. That was the abode of all the souls and spirits of the deceased, but now only unsaved souls go to Hades. The souls and spirits of the saints go to Heaven to be with Christ.

JChesney · Jul 5, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

The first book of Enoch says that 200 Watchers (angels) descended to earth and took wives (in the book of Genesis they are called sons of God). Then in the book of Enoch it is said that these 200 spirits should be taken into custody.
CHAPTER XII. 1. Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him. 2. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones. 3. And I, Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me--Enoch the scribe--and said to me: 4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth: 5. And ye shall have no peace nor forgiveness of sin: and inasmuch as †they† delight themselves in †their† children" ... CHAPTER XIII. 1. And Enoch went and said: 'Azâzêl, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth against thee to put thee in bonds ... CHAPTER XVIII 13. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, 14. The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ⌈for ten thousand years⌉.' CHAPTER XIX. 1. And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons ⌈⌈as gods⌉⌉, (here shall they stand,) till ⌈⌈the day of⌉⌉ the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of.

- that's what these spirits are all about in 1Petr 3:19, here we must to understand that the author of the Epistle of Peter has in view the plot of the antediluvian events according to the book of Enoch.

garee · Jul 5, 2018

JChesney said:

The first book of Enoch says that 200 Watchers (angels) descended to earth and took wives (in the book of Genesis they are called sons of God). Then in the book of Enoch it is said that these 200 spirits should be taken into custody.
CHAPTER XII. 1. Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him. 2. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones. 3. And I, Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me--Enoch the scribe--and said to me: 4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth: 5. And ye shall have no peace nor forgiveness of sin: and inasmuch as †they† delight themselves in †their† children" ... CHAPTER XIII. 1. And Enoch went and said: 'Azâzêl, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth against thee to put thee in bonds ... CHAPTER XVIII 13. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, 14. The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ⌈for ten thousand years⌉.' CHAPTER XIX. 1. And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons ⌈⌈as gods⌉⌉, (here shall they stand,) till ⌈⌈the day of⌉⌉ the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of.

- that's what these spirits are all about in 1Petr 3:19, here we must to understand that the author of the Epistle of Peter has in view the plot of the antediluvian events according to the book of Enoch.

The book of Enoch is not scripture.

garee · Jul 5, 2018

miknik5 said:

HIS SPIRIT went elsewhere like returning to the father from where it came from.

God is not a man as us, God has no physical self, He is eternal Spirit without beginning of day or end of Spirit life.The Son of man of His own flesh informs us it profits for nothing other then used for a demonstration of the Spirit not seen.

When he departed having finished the one time demonstration he gave us a clear understanding, that men know him no more ever again in respect to the things seen. Not only us as new creatures are know after what the eyes see any longer but His temporal flesh is included.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16

When he had finished the demonstration he of His own volition gave up the Spirit

Thomas who wanted to eulogize the flesh of Christ was called faithless. God is not worshipped after the faithless things seen, the pagan foundation , Christians walk by faith, the unseen .

rstrats · Jul 5, 2018

CS1,

You have a question directed to you in post #440.

rstrats · Jul 5, 2018

garee,

Are you a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate?

rstrats · Jul 5, 2018

miknik5,
re: "Because it matters. It didnt have to take the physical body of THE LORD being in the 'heart of the earth' in order to calculate the three days and three nights it was when the spirit left HIS body that HE was in the 'heart of the earth'"

But how does the count starting when His spirit left His body and not when His body was placed in the tomb make a difference with regard to the 3 daytimes? - Either way it was still during the same daytime.

garee · Jul 5, 2018

miknik5 said:

Figurative language as signified is used in parables. Using the prescription for rightly diving the word of God found in 2 Corinthians 4:18. Without parables Christ spoke not, hiding the spiritual unseen understanding from natural unconverted men called the evil generation

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen "are temporal"; but the things which are not seen "are eternal". 2 Corinthians 4:18.

It leads to the conclusion in the next chapter 2 Corinthians 5:16 that we no longer know the Son of God not seen, the eternal after the flesh as the Son of man as that seen. the temporal .

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth" know we him no more. 2 Corinthians 5:16

One demonstration.

Literal hell is the literal suffering men go through in this life .It's what we will in the end be delivered from. (no heaven on this corrupted earth.)

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet

Which can be compared to the garden of Gethsemane the beginning of the three day demonstration as a living sacrifice (God not seen cannot die) .

Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice .Jonas 2

Not be reason of he was dead and buried but by reason of a living suffering of hell. Jonas like the Son of man cried out and was delivered of the suffering.

The sign of Jonas.... By reason of a living affliction not dead, but unto death

Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Mathew 26:36-42

The sign of Jonas given in Luke below . Jesus crying out in respect to the reason of suffering a living hell, ( the belly of the whale or heart of the earth .) The father heard him as he did hear Jonas and delivered him in the same way.

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Luke 22.

In the parable above the Holy Spirit uses sweat to indicate he was doing the work of salvation working, suffering as if it was drops of blood, Blood used to represent the unseen work of the Holy Spirit. .Just as we cry out with prayer as suplication (crying like a helpless baby)

garee · Jul 5, 2018

rstrats said:

No never heard of that?

JChesney · Jul 5, 2018

garee said:

you are wrong. In the first century there was not formed Canon OT, the Jews and early Christians did not have exact boundaries regarding the set of books, which are canonical and which are not. And the early Christians used the literature, which was later referred to the Apocrypha. This concerns the book of the Jubilees, the books of Enoch and some other Judaic apocrypha. In any case, some parts of the New Testament can only be understood with the help of the Jewish apocrypha, and it relates to such places as 1Petr 3:19.

JChesney · Jul 5, 2018

rstrats said:

There is such an interpretation based on the Demonstration XVII:10 of Aphrahat :

And on that day a great prodigy happened. namely, that the light became dark in the middle of the day, as Zechariah prophesied, saying:-The day shall be known unto the Lord. It shall not be daytime, and it shall not be night; and at the evening time there shall be light (Zech 14:7). Now what is the day that was distinguished by the prodigy, that it was neither daytime nor night, and that at the evening time there was light? Evidently the day on which they crucified Him, for in the midst of that day there came darkness, and at the evening time there was light.

if we compare this think with Gen 1:5 ("And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night") we can find three days and three nights from Friday to Sunday, from the time of Christ's sufferings on the cross to His resurrection.

rstrats · Jul 5, 2018

garee,
re: "No never heard of that?"

I don't understand what you mean with that question.

rstrats · Jul 6, 2018

JChesney,
re: "There is such an interpretation based on the Demonstration XVII:10 of Aphrahat :"

The topic title and OP was poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic. Unfortunately the title couldn't be edited once it was posted. However, It was clarified in subsequent posts:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred.

Again, the topic request for examples is with regard to the commonality of forecasting a daytime or a night time when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.

JChesney · Jul 6, 2018

rstrats said:

this is the most traditional opinion.
Sunday is the first day of the week when Christ was risen.

rstrats · Jul 6, 2018

JChesney,
re: "this is the most traditional opinion. Sunday is the first day of the week when Christ was risen."

Do you believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week?

JChesney · Jul 6, 2018

rstrats said:

Frankly, I do not have a definite idea about this. It is known that different Jewish sects of that period had different calendars and could also shift the day of the celebration of Easter the day before. With all these features it is difficult to judge what day of the week was the day of the crucifixion. It can be both Wednesday and Thursday and Friday. Here it probably does not matter in principle for the doctrine of the Faith.

garee · Jul 6, 2018

rstrats said:

I was replying to the question.... Are you a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate?

garee · Jul 6, 2018

I would offer the three day work of suffering began in the garden of Gethsemane, typifying the garden of Eden .Christ restoring that which was lost. Beginning on Thursday . The cross is a picture of the garden. Just as Genesis 1 and 2 are used to support each other as one teaching.. from two different perspectives, working as one.

And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.Mark 14:34-35

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