Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
gb9 said:
and that is the trick with stuff like this: it sounds good, holy ,righteous, proper, but at it's base is works-based salvation, and as you said, a shaky foundation that will crumble.
Click to expand...

Satan comes as an angel of light, A bunch of half truths is his greatest weapon. and is the hardest weapon to fight against. Because it has so many people fooled into thinking it is from God because it sounds right

 
gb9 said:
and that is the trick with stuff like this: it sounds good, holy ,righteous, proper, but at it's base is works-based salvation, and as you said, a shaky foundation that will crumble.
Click to expand...

He is heaping up condemnation upon his head. One day it will all come crashing down...
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I know he says alot of stuff which sounds good. And claims he does not obey law to be saved,, yet he does believe salvation is not guaranteed by the cross or faith, but can be lost. thus he rejects the eternal life promised by God, given to all who place their trust in him.
Click to expand...


How true, how true.

They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, and disqualified for any good work. Titus 1:16​
 
gb9 said:
and that is the trick with stuff like this: it sounds good, holy ,righteous, proper, but at it's base is works-based salvation, and as you said, a shaky foundation that will crumble.
Click to expand...

Funny, because our Lord Jesus Christ said those who hear only but do not do what He said are the ones who have that shaky foundation that is not rooted in Him, and when the storm (tribulations) comes they will fall.

Lord Jesus said only those who hear and do what He said have a strong foundation that will stand !!!

Luke 6:46-49............
 
ember said:
I am wondering, do you believe that you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit?
Click to expand...

As it is between you and God, so it is between God and me. If I desire to adhere to God's complete word who gave the Holy Spirit I'm convinced.

As you will stand by yourself before God some day, so will I. It's not my judgment call to know whether you are filled with the Holy Spirit any more than it is my obligation to know that about you. Your question therefore has no validity.

Now, as I have asked others, and now you, Where can we find judgment, mercy and faith identified in the law, as Jesus clearly pointed out that those are definitely there?

I cannot understand the side stepping accompanied by rebuttals when I am clearly exposing the hypocrisy that Jesus revealed within the actions of the hypocrites. According to Jesus exhortations, I believe we should take note of what Jesus said unlike the Pharisees. In the OP I politely asked
just-me said:

Spiritual understanding is necessary, and there is more than one way to approach the true answer on this matter.

Please do your best not to derail or cause conflict. I present this strictly for edification sake.
Let us converse in a respectful and peaceful manner as our Almighty God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have us to do. :)

May God bless us with further understanding of each other, and of God's holy word, as His truth impacts us to the very core of our heart, soul, and mind.
Click to expand...

I have seen very little respect for Jesus' words written in Matthew 23:23 up to this point.
 
Last edited:
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
How true, how true.
They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, and disqualified for any good work. Titus 1:16​
Click to expand...

Scripture taking out of context, as this was spoken to those who profess to know God but continue to live deliberate sinful lifestyles.
 
KennethC said:
Funny, because our Lord Jesus Christ said those who hear only but do not do what He said are the ones who have that shaky foundation that is not rooted in Him, and when the storm (tribulations) comes they will fall.

Lord Jesus said only those who hear and do what He said have a strong foundation that will stand !!!

Luke 6:46-49............
Click to expand...

Yep. and according to you and those like you. we can do this, and still not get to heaven. which is proof of satan and his half truths and people buying into them.

So who are the shaky ones. the ones relying gon self will (like you and just-me) or those whose foundation is on Christ. And that foundation empowers them to do those good deeds. not the good deeds being the foundation.
 
KennethC said:
Scripture taking out of context, as this was spoken to those who profess to know God but continue to live deliberate sinful lifestyles.
Click to expand...

Yep. they live those lifestyles because they have never been born of God. Never been filled wiht his spirit. ad never shown Gods love, so they can show Gods love to others.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Which is what unbelief is...
Click to expand...

Problem is you and another was trying to throw that title on a person who does believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and you do know that is dangerous to bear false witness on another brethren ???

As I showed before our Lord Jesus Himself said only those who hear what He said and goes and does it have the foundation of their faith in Him. Those who hear and don't do what He said do not, and they will fall for they are deceived as Apostle James expounded on.
 
KennethC said:
Problem is you and another was trying to throw that title on a person who does believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and you do know that is dangerous to bear false witness on another brethren ???
Click to expand...
Belief and faith is not the same. See James 2.

As I showed before our Lord Jesus Himself said only those who hear what He said and goes and does it have the foundation of their faith in Him. Those who hear and don't do what He said do not, and they will fall for they are deceived as Apostle James expounded on.
Click to expand...

Your sending people to hell who did what the lord asked, out of faith in him, all because they lost some faith whatever, You reject that the lord is faithful even though we may become faithless from time to time.

So do not yell at people saying someone will go to hell. when you do that yourself.
 
Get behind me satan !!!!

I say this because the spirit of antichrist is still at work in this thread as the snake is still going behind my back and trying to twist what I said, claiming falsehoods of things I never said !!!
 
KennethC said:
Problem is you and another was trying to throw that title on a person who does believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and you do know that is dangerous to bear false witness on another brethren ???
Click to expand...

Words are cheap. A tree's known by its fruit.
 
KennethC said:
Get behind me satan !!!!

I say this because the spirit of antichrist is still at work in this thread as the snake is still going behind my back and trying to twist what I said, claiming falsehoods of things I never said !!!
Click to expand...

The only way that's going to happen is if you turn around. Just sayin'...
 
KennethC said:
Problem is you and another was trying to throw that title on a person who does believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and you do know that is dangerous to bear false witness on another brethren ???

As I showed before our Lord Jesus Himself said only those who hear what He said and goes and does it have the foundation of their faith in Him. Those who hear and don't do what He said do not, and they will fall for they are deceived as Apostle James expounded on.
Click to expand...
It is not right to judge the law of God with demeaning statements against those who esteem it as an asset, and a substantial part of their walk with Christ. It is not sinful to revere the law of God, but it is sinful to judge it by not adhering to it in Spirit.

“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.” James 4:11

The Pharisees omitted God's perfect judgment from the law.

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

Psalm 69:9
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Words are cheap. A tree's known by its fruit.
Click to expand...

What bad fruit was he or I showing ???

For we are defending all the Word of God and trying to show how others how the Spiritual (moral) aspect still has meaning and importance for today in believers.

If you have been taught doing this is given bad fruit then I would suggest in love you find other teachers, because taking and taking away from the Word of God is dangerous.

Again I will ask you since you have not answered, do you want me to show you in the NT where the 10 Commandments are upheld by new covenant believers ???
 
KennethC said:
Get behind me satan !!!!

I say this because the spirit of antichrist is still at work in this thread as the snake is still going behind my back and trying to twist what I said, claiming falsehoods of things I never said !!!
Click to expand...

Talking to yourself??

Sadly many have tried to be honest with you and show you and it has not worked, I doubt if you talk to yourself it will work either.
 
KennethC said:
What bad fruit was he or I showing ???

For we are defending all the Word of God and trying to show how others how the Spiritual (moral) aspect still has meaning and importance for today in believers.

If you have been taught doing this is given bad fruit then I would suggest in love you find other teachers, because taking and taking away from the Word of God is dangerous.

Again I will ask you since you have not answered, do you want me to show you in the NT where the 10 Commandments are upheld by new covenant believers ???
Click to expand...

No, Your defending legalism, and self righteousness. Not the word of God.
 
KennethC said:
Get behind me satan !!!!

I say this because the spirit of antichrist is still at work in this thread as the snake is still going behind my back and trying to twist what I said, claiming falsehoods of things I never said !!!
Click to expand...

This is not new. Expect it.............. particularity when God and His adversary knows you are correct in contending for the faith.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back