Tithing While Eliminating Debt

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Bet very few people knew about:

Deut. 14:22-28 You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. 23 And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. 24 But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, 25 then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. 26 And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household. 27 You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.
28 "At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do
 
Sure don't get the guys point: "Do not bow to the pressure of the tithing threats. God does not judge a person by what they’ve given; He judges them by what they’ve kept."

I'm beginning to feel like the OP was an advertisement for Crown Financial.

Not sure I understand what you mean, OP?? Crown Financial?
 
I have been led of God to give what I can. You cannot starve your family or not pay your bills in order to pay tithe. I do believe it is more about the heart than the amount of money. I once heard Larry Burkett say it may be for a season that you will have to give less in order to pay off debt, and he was a Christian financial advisor.
 
As a woman of GOD and wife to a man of GOD you both should Pray and seek GOD for answers. Do not allow anyone else to put an opinion in your mind that will bring confliction between you and your husband. Be supportive to your husband he is the head of his household. Together you both are being blessed to be a blessing an that's awesome!


Blessings!!!!!!!
 
Another long post, but I believe the Lord will hold false teachers accountable for "in their own eyes" judging (by condemnation/discouragement) those who believe the Lord directs to tithe and to give offerings above it. Ignore truth as you will, but not with safety.

Apparently too many people are a bit blind to truth even after posting it over and over.

There were commanded offerings in the Law, such as the major "sin offering", but a free will offering out of one's generosity, though not commanded, was a work of the law too, in the same situation as a tithe, also being regulated by the Law.

So why cast out the tithe because it was a work of the Law, while free will offerings are not cast out since they were also "of the Law"?

That Remnant of Truth website that was cited earlier is far from good doctrine, especially considering other topics they cover.

Notice there is no mention in the New Testament of the tithe being annulled. It is however commended in Hebrews 7. Free will offerings are also commended in NT scriptures.

There is a huge difference between those two types of passing on blessing.

The tithe comes with written blessings. We Christians like to claim the blessings of the old covenants, not subject to the curses of it. Benefits of the tithe are irrevocable, and include from the Lord, not from men:

Malachi 3:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be
meat in mine house,
and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not

open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it
.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And I will
rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground
;
and,

neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field

saith the LORD of hosts. [SUP]12 [/SUP] And
all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land
saith the LORD of hosts.

Is yours, O chastiser of the tithe? The odds are greatly in favor of opponents of it having very little blessing they can rightly ascribe to direct blessing from God. We can't cite our salary/hourly job, as, if being paid we earn what is due for our labor. The employer is not "blessing" a worker.

Free will giving doesn't have such great promises.

We have for that a single promise based on relative actions, blessing according to little giving or large giving. Reap little for a small one, reap much for a large one.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP] But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

I see that cited as justification not to tithe, but to give whatever one "feels" to give. That is taking that verse way out of context. It leaves off the context of Paul giving ample notice for their share of the offering for those suffering saints. He made it clear not to embarrass him.

2 Corinthians 9:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]
For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.


If you can read that, comprehend it, and insist on giving according to how you "feel" to give, knowing what is actually needed and expected on your part among your neighbors, then you ought not look at this issue again. God does get mad, so it's best not to curse yourself.


Also, such giving involves other people giving those blessings to the giver. To be otherwise protected from the Devourer wrecking havoc on us we are under NT commands to 1. Submit to God and 2. Resist the Devil, so he will flee from us. The issue of submitting to God in that case is a very large one. The issue of tithing is a very little issue by comparison.

All Christians ought to be commending that couple in the OP, blessing what they believe is good, because what they do is good and honorable. Evil people will of course be opposed to them. They are not the deceived ones, but are well enlightened, with no shame due toward them. What they are doing, and are being instructed of the Lord to do, will make them mightier givers owing neither God nor man anything all their lives, bearing much greater blessings for themselves and lots of people outside their household.

Honor them by sticking to the OP issue!
 
My husband and I are Christians and we belong to a great church. Right now, we are giving financially what we can to the church, and we participate in all the activities and volunteer opportunities the church, as well as traveling overseas on missions trips to help up in every single way we can to be a blessing to others. We attended the Dave Ramsey Financial Peace program over a year ago and started eliminating debt through his debt snowball program. In 1 year, we have eliminated over $55,000 in debt, and we have 1 more bill and then our house to pay off. My gut is telling me that we should be tithing 10% of our income first to the church, and then paying bills, but my husband wants to get the debt paid off so that we can live and give like no other, much more than we ever have been able to for our church and community. Because of this, we use most of our cash to pay the bills and we give a smaller amount than we want to for the church weekly. We both know that the Bible says to not be "slave to the lender" and we know that it will be less than one year before we are debt free and can give so much more. Is this way of thinking right, or should we not work on the bills with as much intensity and tithe first? God has been good to us and we are being blessed in SO many ways right now -- but I am not sure if we are doing the right thing?
In the New Testament, we are admonished to, "owe no man anything, but to love one another."

that said, there is absolutely no command in the New Testament for you to tithe, (unless you are a descendant of Jacob living in the land of Canaan?) but there is instruction to pay debts to our fellow man.

this "feeling" in you gut that you should be tithing is not of God.v you have been conditioned to believe that God requires tithes and that is why you feel so guilty.

however, the Bible is clear.

God's holy tithe is to be agricultural, not monetary. Leviticus 27:30-33
it is to be eaten, not spent. Deuteronomy 14:22-29
it is to be given only to descendants of Levi, widows, orphans and foreigners. Numbers 18:24-26; Deuteronomy 14:28-29
it is only required of the children of Israel. Leviticus 27:34; Psalms 147:19-20; Acts 15:5,10,24,28-29; Acts 21:23-25
it is only to be observed in Canaan. Deuteronomy 6:1-3; Deuteronomy 12:1,10-11

best to pay your debts and not let man's twisted teaching guilt you into thinking monetary tithes are required of you.

give what you are able. Then, if you wish to give more once your creditors are paid off. Do so. God will be pleased.
 
Tithing.

This very much is an interesting topic to discuss given that tithing is linked to the Laws given to Israel.
I for one do not tithe as I do not see it done in the NT as much as I see the giving of an offering in the NT.
Understandably the tithing law does not apply to us Christians today. To be sure we do give to God our money, but we give what we can and whatever we desire (amount) to give. This giving is not categorised as a tithe but as an offering. It is very difficult to find in the NT, people tithing to the church a set amount as is required under the tithing law established in the OT. So it would make sense considering that tithing laws along with dietary laws and clothing laws etc, would be completely fulfilled and done away with thanks be to Christ fulfilling the whole of the law.
I do not have an issue with believers giving to God, however I do have an issue with calling it a tithe, considering the amount would need to be a tenth of their possessions, and usually when tithes are mentioned in the OT, it is referred to as a tenth of food, or cattle moreover money. It is suffice for us to give to God an offering out of our own hearts rather than a tithe out of an obligation to the law. In doing so you bring yourself back under the law again, namely the tithing law, and do not rest in the finished work of Christ in his fulfilling of the law completely. It is important for us to understand the distinction between what applies to believers now and what applies to Israel and the fulfilment in Christ. Giving a tithe essentially is bringing yourself back under the levitical law from which Christ fulfilled on behalf for you.
Every passage you read in regards to believers giving in the NT is always categorised in the language of an offering not in the language of a tithing law. It seems to me that they understood that a lot of the laws in the OT including tithing laws were fulfilled in Christ and his finished work upon the cross.
It is good to give to God yes but you give not out of an obligation to the law but you give freely because you want to give. The amount is determined by you. For the Poor Widow it was 100percent and for others it could be 2percent. God doesn't need your giving of money. He's more concerned with your maturing in Christ and holiness than he is about your money. :)
 
Read Galatians. You who desire to be under the law, have fallen from grace. You are now under a curse.

Don't let the wolves and hirelings vex you back into slavery/bondage. Stand fast in the liberty whereby Christ has set you free.

Yep! I know. Where can you hook up? Most dens of thieves/churches demand the tithe as 'the starting point'. Take note on that. Use to be just the tithe they demanded. They now guilt you into giving way beyond the tithe, teaching the blessing only comes with the offerings above the tithe. Lies, lies, and more lies! Mammon lovers! What's next? Unless you turn your car and house over to these slobbering wolves, God's gonna gitcha??

Run baby run! Keep your antenna up for believers that actually study and follow the word of God. May take a good long while so let God pull it together. He's the one that is building His ekklesia. Let Him do it.
So far, just me and my wife and two other brothers are in tune. We are assembled. Everyone else we know are 'forsaking the assembly'. Where 2 or 3 are gathered in fellowship according to His word, Jesus is all about that, and not the ever loving traditions of awesome men.
Stay free. Be blessed!
 
We shouldn't stop tithing in order to get out of debt. In most cases, getting into debt is a result of our own poor choices. Therefore, it doesn't seem right to stop giving to God because we're trying to undo our poor decisions. One of the best ways to stay out of debt is to realize that our money isn't our own, but God's. When we treat it accordingly and are willing to give back the very best to Him, our view of money is more accurate.
 
My husband and I are Christians and we belong to a great church. Right now, we are giving financially what we can to the church, and we participate in all the activities and volunteer opportunities the church, as well as traveling overseas on missions trips to help up in every single way we can to be a blessing to others. We attended the Dave Ramsey Financial Peace program over a year ago and started eliminating debt through his debt snowball program. In 1 year, we have eliminated over $55,000 in debt, and we have 1 more bill and then our house to pay off. My gut is telling me that we should be tithing 10% of our income first to the church, and then paying bills, but my husband wants to get the debt paid off so that we can live and give like no other, much more than we ever have been able to for our church and community. Because of this, we use most of our cash to pay the bills and we give a smaller amount than we want to for the church weekly. We both know that the Bible says to not be "slave to the lender" and we know that it will be less than one year before we are debt free and can give so much more. Is this way of thinking right, or should we not work on the bills with as much intensity and tithe first? God has been good to us and we are being blessed in SO many ways right now -- but I am not sure if we are doing the right thing?

You can find a bit of a study Here on tithing and giving in the Scriptures and in Church history which you should find helpful...

Yahweh Shalom
 
If you take what you give to the church to pay off a debt, isn't that asking your church to pay your debt?
 
It kind of confused me.

If I [h=1]1 Timothy 6:9[/h]
“But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and
into
many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.”

tithing and hope God make me rich, the question is, whether want to be rich inline with the will of God?

I heard a lot of testimonies where a christian told how pore they are before tithing, than rich after tithing.

A man like myself heard this testimonies and want to rich than tray it, let see how God bless me and make me rich with this tool.
 
Tithing (giving 10%) is Old Testament, we are no longer under that law. Under the law of Christ we are to give according to how much and how often we prosper, and the percentage is whatever we purpose in our heart. We can choose 10%, we can choose 100% like the poor widow who gave all she had. And whoever gives much will receive much, and whoever gives little will receive little. And whoever gives nothing, even the little he has will be taken away.

God wants us to pay our bills, but He also wants us to put Him first. He says keep His storehouse full for the needy. But if there is an emergency, like your mother is in need of a doctor, do not say to her "Sorry, this money is set aside for God." God doesn't need your money, He uses it to help the needy and to spread the gospel. He says do not muzzle the ox. If a minister is doing the Lord's work instead of working, how is he to provide for his family? HE can choose not to accept financial help, but the church must not deny him because that would be muzzling the ox. But he should take only what he needs, not get rich and live in a mansion with a five car garage, I wouldn't pay a penny to support such a man.

God says whoever is faithful in small things will be faithful in big things. We must do our best to be good stewards of His money. I've seen some people struggling only because they are living beyond their means. I went without a car for years, and these same people said to me that I should be content without a car, when I know they would not be content without a car.

Bottom line, God knows all the thoughts and intentions of the heart. He knows who is trying their best. But He purposely puts us in a position where we just need to obey and trust Him. Because He says the righteous will live by faith, and without faith it is impossible to please God. God always leaves room for faith. You know in your heart what the proper sacrifice to Him is. Cain knew his sacrifice did not match what God wanted from him. For He said to him, if you do right will you not be accepted?