Gr8grace. He defined people who speak in tongues as falling under three different categories, either emotions, self induced, or demonic.
Got you, thank you....I thought it was a "she"....oooops!
Gr8grace. He defined people who speak in tongues as falling under three different categories, either emotions, self induced, or demonic.
I take it you speak tongues in church. Don't you think that if your church is full of unbelievers that perhaps you need to take a long hard look at what your preacher is saying from the pulpit? How many years must one have to witness to unbelievers before one realizes that they should start believing at some point?............................... These tongues we are speaking of here are a sign to the unbelieving for sure, like you said, and as the word of God confirms, and also to the rebellious, and those who trust in the arm of the flesh.......................................
If a church is out doing what it is supposed to do - witnessing to unbelievers - then EVERY church should have unbelievers in the congregation. Just saying . . .I take it you speak tongues in church. Don't you think that if your church is full of unbelievers that perhaps you need to take a long hard look at what your preacher is saying from the pulpit? How many years must one have to witness to unbelievers before one realizes that they should start believing at some point?
With that statement I have clearly illustrated why your understanding of tongues is wrong.
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I take it you speak tongues in church. Don't you think that if your church is full of unbelievers that perhaps you need to take a long hard look at what your preacher is saying from the pulpit? How many years must one have to witness to unbelievers before one realizes that they should start believing at some point?
With that statement I have clearly illustrated why your understanding of tongues is wrong.
As for the highlighted, the bible doesn't say that. You are adding your own words to the bible and calling it scripture again.
How many times must you be warned about that for it to stop?
If the rest of your congregation is like you, I'm beginning to understand why you have to keep talking in tongues - there comes a point in time to grow and mature in the word.
Aren't you old enough, haven't you been around the word long enough, for that to start happening?
Tell me how the gift of tongues is self induced when it is able to be interpreted and accurately portray information you otherwise would have no knowledge of? Even going so far as to mention specifics to someone about their life and yet you know nothing of them whatsoever? Self induced? How? Demonic? A house divided cannot stand, this gift glorifies God and His goodness. Emotions? Since when did emotion grant you the power to speak in other languages you had no knowledge of or give you insight into specifics in another person's life in an instant?
All these excuses as to why someone is operating in a gift you otherwise believe has ceased. Something isn't lining up here. You need to go back to the drawing board. People are speaking in tongues to the edification of self and the Body of Christ just as described in the bible and even ministering the Gospel to people in tongues they know nothing of. This being the case, something in your doctrine is not aligning with reality and may point to the fact that your interpretation of scripture is sincerely wrong.
"This being the case" Ben, would you be kind enough to give us an example of one of these occasions (I'm assuming there were many given that you used the word language in the plural sense ..i.e... other languages) where you suddenly and unbeknownst shared the gospel message in an earthly language to another that you had no previous knowledge of or expertise in ? On the street somewhere ? In a grocery store perhaps ? Where and when ?This request is extended to others on this thread as well
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"This being the case" Ben, would you be kind enough to give us an example of one of these occasions (I'm assuming there were many given that you used the word language in the plural sense ..i.e... other languages) where you suddenly and unbeknownst shared the gospel message in an earthly language to another that you had no previous knowledge of or expertise in ? On the street somewhere ? In a grocery store perhaps ? Where and when ?This request is extended to others on this thread as well
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God had Israel for His Client nation. This nation was to be free and have the freedom to spread the Gospel to all other nations and people. As long as this nation stayed positive to God and spread the Gospel, God protected Israel.
In some ways, this is going to be a very specialized website which will appeal to a very limited number of believers in Jesus Christ. First off, many believers are going to disagree with the doctrinal views presented in this website, as most believers are legalists and, in some way or another, like to add works to their salvation. Some do this more subtly, along the lines of Catholicism and Pentecostalism (two off-shoots of Christianity which are strikingly similar in nature). In both of these faiths, it is thought that when one believes in Jesus Christ, that he will naturally begin to act like a Christian. That is, his faith will be proven in his works; or, as the Catholics call it, the believer participates in infused grace, where the nature of Jesus Christ becomes his nature, and the true believer will exhibit this nature. I do not believe that after salvation people manifest the person of Jesus Christ, although that is a potential for all believers in Jesus Christ.
Amen sis. How could we come through what we came through without the powerful Word of God which is able to minister to us perfectly in the present tense to every situation we encounter? When all logic departs, Jesus is the same: yesterday, today and forever!!
Even Paul said Tongues are not that Important.
Lord God, I pray that whoever in this disagreement within the body of Christ is mistaken, that you would have mercy on whomever of us, by our beliefs, abuse Your Holy Spirit. We know not what we do. Reveal to us Your truth, enlightenus by Your power, and bring us into Your Light. Amen.
this 'client nation' business is something I have never heard of before CC....it seems the idea behind this concept is or has limited acceptance, in fact, on the site where I found info on it, the intro runs like this:
yeah, so, it is SO specialized, that not many have heard of it
you can view here for yourself
CLIENT NATIONS1. A client nation is a national entity under the benevolent support of God. It isassigned the responsibility for the communication, and fulfillment of the canonof Scripture. [ formation, preservation (Jewish) ]2. A client nation is a synonym for a priest nation. 1 Pet 2:9, "But you are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out from darkness into His marvelous light."3. A Client nation to God is a nation under divine protection,Because it has a large pivot of mature believers. These mature believershave blessing by association to those around them and historical blessing totheir nation. 4. A client nation is responsible to do five things. a. It must evangelize its own population at home. b. It must communicate Bible doctrine to the believers in the nation. c. It is responsible for the custodianship of Bible doctrine. d. It provides a haven for the Jews. e. It is responsible to send out missionaries to evangelize other nations.5. Negative Volition to Bible doctrine destroys a client nation.
Apparently, some folk believe the US is now a client nation
yeah....ok then
Charles and Francis Hunter in their book speak of the gift of tongues and have testimonies in their books of speaking in foreign languages teaching people the Gospel (in German). There are other people within the body of Christ who can share similar testimonies. They are speaking in tongues and someone listening is astounded they are speaking in their dialect perfectly. There are countless testimonies if you are willing to look them up.
Personally, I haven't been presented with such an opportunity, or at the very least stepped out in faith to do it. I am willing to do it however, as the Lord does operate in the gift and if He so desires to share the Gospel with a passerby that doesn't speak english He has given me the gift that can minister it to them.
As I said, do a little digging and you'll realize there are people within the body of Christ who speak in tongues and can share testimonies of them speaking in languages perfectly that they have never studied. Usually testimonies of someone listening in on them and being baffled that the person is speaking in some dialect perfectly. I recall recently I was watching Sid Roth (from Sid Roth, It's Supernatural) sharing a testimony of such, that it confirmed to him that he operated in the gift because he was speaking in tongues and a person pointed out he was speaking in a particular language perfectly. That day forward, he was confident he had the gift because of that experience.
I was seeking those with a personal, first-hand experience of speaking in an earthly dialect unknown and/or unlearned by them previously for the gospels sake ... but thanks for replying. I'd take anything that comes from Sid Roth's show with a (big) grain of salt. Guests claiming everything from gold dust falling on them from heaven to heaven and hell visitations "in the spirit" fairly regularly. Rarely would he entertain anyone absent a sign and wonder. His credibility doesn't move the needle on my meter. People will say many things for a variety of reasons. One thing is certain though. The following verse addresses those who think they were believing and acting according to God's Word in Christ ... but clearly were not His own. Examine our hearts in the light of God's truth in Christ.
Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Thanks Ember. I read a few of the doctrines on that web site. I am pretty sure its going to be a good one.
well, if someone wants to believe a site with near cult status, then this would be a place to go
client nation indeed...from the site itself
In some ways, this is going to be a very specialized website which will appeal to a very limited number of believers in Jesus Christ.
While reading over some of the previous posts., it's important to note that there are 2 different kinds of speaking in tongues. I have not been speaking in tongues long and have not ever prayed or spoken in tongues with another believer. It's been only during my alone times with God and in my daily living when going about my day. Below is a good explanation of the differences.
Note 13 at Mr 16:17: Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit discussed in 1Co 12-14. It is one of the first miraculous manifestations that accompanies receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost (Ac 2:4, 10:46, and 19:6).
There are two different kinds of speaking in tongues. 1Co 13:1 says we can speak with the tongues of man or of angels. The tongues of men is speaking of known languages such as what took place on the Day of Pentecost (Ac 2:4-6). This is the gift to supernaturally speak a known language without having been taught it, and it comes for the purpose of witnessing, as on the Day of Pentecost. There is also a gift of tongues that is speaking in a heavenly language (what 1Co 13:1 calls the tongues of angels). This is a language that is not known to the speaker (1Co 14:2 and 14) but allows the believer to communicate directly with the Lord through the Spirit. There is another kind of speaking in tongues that equals prophecy if it is interpreted (1Co 14:5).
Not every believer will speak in known languages, as on the Day of Pentecost, or prophesy in the assembly through a message in tongues and an interpretation (1Co 12:30), but every believer who receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost can speak in the tongues that are for the purpose of edification (1Co 14:4).
Bible commentary.