TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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1ofthem said:
Truth is no one is going to be able to give you discernment.
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So, essentially there is a lot of debate even amongst tongues-speakers as to what's legit and what's not. That seems to be the gist of what you're getting at (?).
 
Kavik said:
It would take too long to get into in detail, but his person does not have a good grasp of some basic linguistic theory; particularly phonetics.

Given the construction of glossolalia (it's syllable structure, phonemic make-up, etc.), and the fact that most speakers will use a subset of the phonemes found in their respective languages - specifically those easiest to produce physiologically, there is going to be overlap between speakers of different languages. That said, no two tongues will ever be the same....ever. There are as many 'tongues' as there are speakers of same. If for a moment we say that tongues a re some sort of heavenly language, why would there ever be a need for more than just one??

If a person or being produces a stream of speech, in order for it to be ‘language’, regardless of whether spoken in front of you, in some remote corner of the word, on some alien planet, or on some heavenly/spiritual plain of existence, to be 'language', at its most basic level, it must contain at a minimal two features – (1) discrete units of various sorts, and (2) rules and principles that govern the way these discrete units can be combined and ordered. It cannot be stressed enough that these two features are universal, regardless of where or by whom the speech is being produced. Without these two features, you don't have language. Glossolalia contains neither feature. It is simply a façade of language.
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I am sure, Margaret, speaks to me as if I needed it to be dumbed down. To which, I posted it dumbed down. But I trust her more than I ever do You. Even the Holy Spirit through Discernment within me [does not] trust You.

I copied/pasted your post and see you are either copy/pasting someone else's work or committing forgery.
 
Kavik said:
I'm familiar with many of these, particularly Samarin and Goodman. I think you're misreading something - nowhere do either advocate that modern tongues-speech is actual language, nor have I ever heard of any other linguist who does. "Language-like" is the usual moniker attached to tongues-speech. Unlike gibberish, tongues seek to mimic language (gibberish, by its very nature, does not).
I've already addressed the typical subset of phonemes found in tongues-speech in a previous post.

Some people do speak it in an inspired state, but again, if one studies the the structure and glossic strings, any hope of postulating real language quickly goes out the door.
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I see you completely ignored Harvard's own Motley.

Can't say as I blame ya!
 
Heaven_Bound said:
Motley, the Brilliant Harvard Linguist, wrote in the Analog of the Heverly Studies:
Glossia examples he found are in a number of ways Language-like, yet [[unlike]] the Language of the Speaker!
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You'll need to give a more definite link, but again, he concludes "language-like".
 
Kavik said:
You'll need to give a more definite link, but again, he concludes "language-like".
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And, not the same Language from the Speaker.
Most are trying to claim how the person speaks normally is conducive to how they Speak in Tongues, but Motley, is claiming not the case, but that it is indeed a Language.
 
1ofthem said:
Did you take it to God?

Did you sincerely and humbly pray and ask the Lord about it?

Truth is no one is going to be able to give you discernment. You are going to have to seek that out for yourself. You are not going to find it in a textbook, scientific journal, or linguistics training.

It is going to take humbly seeking the Lord.

Ask, seek, knock. To those that ask, it shall be given. Those that seek shall find, and to those that knock it shall be opened.

Sincerely and humbly ask God out of faith, and He will answer.

I'm praying that God moves within your heart and mind and shows you in a way that is best for you and that is clearly evident to you. :)
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I know of kavic here, from way back. basically only frequents tongues threads

he is not saved and practices another religion, which he said he will not divulge

so...no sincere and humble prayer going to happen here barring a change of heart

it is good to know who you are really dealing with
 
Kavik said:
So, essentially there is a lot of debate even amongst tongues-speakers as to what's legit and what's not. That seems to be the gist of what you're getting at (?).
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Tongues is a gift,but it has nothing to do with whether a person is saved. I don't mean this as a nasty comment, but have you looked as deeply into salvation as you have tongues? Because that is the most important of the two topics. Has anything changed your mind one way or the other?
 
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The one thing that seems to be lacking in this whole discussion is common sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's right in front of your face. I'm not a linguist and know little to nothing about linguistics; but I don't need to. I've lived long enough in this world to know a rat when I see one.
 
ResidentAlien said:
The one thing that seems to be lacking in this whole discussion is common sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's right in front of your face. I'm not a linguist and know little to nothing about linguistics; but I don't need to. I've lived long enough in this world to know a rat when I see one.
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Is that what you see every time you look into a mirror?
 
SophieT said:
I know of kavic here, from way back. basically only frequents tongues threads

he is not saved and practices another religion, which he said he will not divulge

so...no sincere and humble prayer going to happen here barring a change of heart

it is good to know who you are really dealing with
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That explains the Discernment concerning kavic!

Thank You!

I was wondering why I felt like he was not a Follower of Christ and trying to Deceive those within this Thread.
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
Is that what you see every time you look into a mirror?
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No, I'm not perfect but neither am I a religious con artist.

The thing that Charismatics want more than anything is for everyone to go along with their charade. We believe one thing and you believe something else they'll say. Can't we all just get along. My reply is absolutely not; I'll never go along with an obvious con just to get along.
 
Heaven_Bound said:
That explains the Discernment concerning kavic!

Thank You!

I was wondering why I felt like he was not a Follower of Christ and trying to Deceive those within this Thread.
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First, I'm not trying to deceive anyone. Modern tongues-speech is what it is; non-cognitive non-language utterance. With respect to discernment when it comes to tongues; I do not hold that it's anything divine/demonic in origin; it's an entirely self-created phenomenon - for me, there isn't really anything to discern. That said, I do believe that the spiritual tool it is, it is a powerful one and its effects can be quite profound. This may also be said of any other culture/religion that practices glossolalia.
 
ResidentAlien said:
The thing that Charismatics want more than anything is for everyone to go along with their charade. We believe one thing and you believe something else they'll say. Can't we all just get along. My reply is absolutely not; I'll never go along with an obvious con just to get along.
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Isn't the Con, Irresistible Grace?
Or, God created 2 sets of humans, 1 for Heaven and the rest for Hell?
Or, if Tongues has Ceased, why hasn't Prophecy Failed or why has Knowledge increased when it should be Vanishing?

You cannot have 1 without the other!
 
Heaven_Bound said:
Kavic?

You are hanging off his Baloney like it is the very breathe you require to live!

Hope kavic makes no sudden turn, hate to see your nose snap off like that ;)
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Kavic can believe whatever he wants. I don't need a linguist to tell what's patently obvious.
 
Kavik said:
First, I'm not trying to deceive anyone. Modern tongues-speech is what it is; non-cognitive non-language utterance. With respect to discernment when it comes to tongues; I do not hold that it's anything divine/demonic in origin; it's an entirely self-created phenomenon - for me, there isn't really anything to discern. That said, I do believe that the spiritual tool it is, it is a powerful one and its effects can be quite profound. This may also be said of any other culture/religion that practices glossolalia.
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What is your Faith Belief?
 
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