Tonight's Presidential Debate

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ZNP

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After reflection....

Kamala had no one EXCEPT MSM talking heads in her spin room afterwards.

Meanwhile Trumo had 2 former Democrat Party presidential nominees, his VP and a host of other notable people in his spin rooms.

The Energy vx Climate change.
Which is it?
Either she is all about climate change and the Trillion dollars they spent or she is all about drilling and exporting oil/LNG.

The moderators were highly unethical. One could make a claim of election interference. There's no one anywhere in the world not talking about it.

I don't see this as a win for Kamala. The HUGE points Trump scored were over "Why don't you leave here and do it now?"
So then win/win for the Democrats? Whether Trump or Harris gets in they'll have a Democrat in the Whitehouse?
 

Cameron143

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Not sure what you're referring to. This started with you making claims about what's in the immigration bill and me offering to look through the bill itself to see what it says. So let's do that.


None! I thought I'd made it clear that my goal is to get the Republican Party to move away from Trump and get back to sanity. You must have missed that.


You didn't answer my question. Do you equally oppose people and sources that are against Democrats? Or is it that you're okay with bias, just as long as it's in your favor?

Surely you're not trying to present yourself as unbiased in politics, are you?

And FYI, I'm going to ignore your posts and the portions of posts that are just childish insults. I keep hoping and praying that you can do better, but unfortunately you keep disappointing.

Are you like this in person?
That's another thing that shows your bias...all your sources are libs. Libs lie. Just because you can quote something doesn't make it so. So you accept any story that suits your aim regardless of whether it is true or not.
This is the behavior of people who are dishonest.
 

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On the contrary they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I can see two weeks from now photographic evidence making front page news of immigrants eating cats and dogs.
Why though, if not to stir up racial resentment and anger against immigrants? And why does it seem that it's the Christian Trump supporters who are the biggest advocates and defenders of a fake racist story?

IMO, it's obvious.

If they don't make a big deal of this now no one would care in two weeks. But if they do and then get this story it will be front page news and it will highlight how our "Border Czar" had put all of our loved pets in peril. Since Harris' base is made up of cat ladies this will be devastating to her campaign.
That's so weird, it's hard to respond to. All of our pets are in peril? Bizarre.

Has it ever occurred to you that Trump already has this story in the bag and that it is his campaign pushing the funny memes? Trump is a counterpuncher, this is his style.
The whole story is now entirely reliant on "every police officer and city official in Springfield is a liar, and only Trump is telling the truth".

When a political campaign has to resort to "everyone is lying except us", they're in desperation mode.
 

JayBird

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That's another thing that shows your bias...all your sources are libs. Libs lie. Just because you can quote something doesn't make it so. So you accept any story that suits your aim regardless of whether it is true or not.
This is the behavior of people who are dishonest.
So you absolutely refuse to look at the actual immigration bill and see what's in it.

I guess you really are doing the best you can. :confused:
 

ZNP

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“If you’re playing a poker game and you look around the table and can’t tell who the sucker is, it’s you.”
 

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I sure miss 1.4% inflation, lower interest rates, less crime, a stronger stock market, a more secure southern border and the lack of wars under Trump.

If radical left wing democrats continue to get elected/selected then it's just a matter of time before the United States is transformed into a Godless, borderless, Marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan.

That is the direction we are going. God is not mocked and He will not tolerate this crap forever! America is ripe for judgment and America will face judgment if this keeps up!
 

Cameron143

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So you absolutely refuse to look at the actual immigration bill and see what's in it.

I guess you really are doing the best you can. :confused:
I've already told you what the bill did. It is a weaker bill than what currently exists and codifies illegal immigration. You won't accept truth.
And I'm surprised you would disparage in your closing comments in each post. Seems when I actually point out your shortcomings, that is unacceptable, but your snide remarks and innuendos are acceptable. Another troll quality.
 

JayBird

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I sure miss 1.4% inflation
It's now down to the lowest it's been since the pandemic.

less crime
Crime is lower than when Trump left office.

a stronger stock market
Where have you been? The stock market has been booming.

a more secure southern border
The border has been closed since President Biden issued his EO. Again, where have you been?

and the lack of wars under Trump.
We were still at war in Afghanistan during the entirety of Trump's term.

If radical left wing democrats continue to get elected/selected then it's just a matter of time before the United States is transformed into a Godless, borderless, Marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan.
And all our pets are in peril! Dogs and cats living together! It'll rain frogs!

That is the direction we are going. God will not tolerate this crap forever! America will be judged!
I guess then genocide of indigenous population, slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, etc. were just fine with God, but electing Democrats is just too much? o_O

Tell me, are you supportive of Trump's plan to have the National Guard force their way into your house, whether you allow it or not?
 

JayBird

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I've already told you what the bill did.
Right, you merely said so.

Anyone can say anything, especially online. I could say "Trump is really an alien being sent from the planet Zubi". That doesn't make it true, does it?

That's why I offered to walk through the text of the actual bill, and I now suspect it's why you refuse to do so. You know very well that your claims don't match up with the bill. If you were confident that they did, you wouldn't hesitate to quote from the bill.
 

Cameron143

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Right, you merely said so.

Anyone can say anything, especially online. I could say "Trump is really an alien being sent from the planet Zubi". That doesn't make it true, does it?

That's why I offered to walk through the text of the actual bill, and I now suspect it's why you refuse to do so. You know very well that your claims don't match up with the bill. If you were confident that they did, you wouldn't hesitate to quote from the bill.
You can post the bill. Why haven't you? And you just said in another post that the border was closed. Seems it could have been shut down at any point if the administration had wanted to. But the border being closed is just another lie.

You also implied that Republicans were the party of slavery and Jim Crow and segregation. More lies. The Republican party began with the mission of ending slavery. More lies.
 

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You can post the bill. Why haven't you?
Here it is: https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

And you just said in another post that the border was closed. Seems it could have been shut down at any point if the administration had wanted to.
There has to be a legal mechanism to do so (otherwise, why didn't Trump just shut it down on day 1 in 2017). After Trump ordered Republicans to kill the Senate bill, President Biden issued and EO that provided that.

But the border being closed is just another lie.
Okay, I have to ask, are you for real? It seems like whenever you come across anything that isn't what you want to hear, you just say "it's a lie" no matter what. It's really weird.

And yes, President Biden closed the border this year. https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2024/0604/Biden-immigration-shut-down

You also implied that Republicans were the party of slavery and Jim Crow and segregation. More lies. The Republican party began with the mission of ending slavery. More lies.
Sigh

I didn't say that at all. I pointed out that the US has a history of being much, much worse than today on a lot of fronts, and wondered why God would punish us now but not then.

Geez, please try and read more carefully next time. :rolleyes:
 

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You are correct and I was wrong. The fact-checker I used said it's out of context, but I don't see how it is out of context now. Here is what I used:


Debate Fact Check: Harris and Trump on the Economy, Immigration and Abortion

“Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump

This needs context.
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I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm "completely misinformed about virtually everything" because I thought there is no way she really has this stance. I don't claim to be perfect or know everything. In fact, I usually state explicitly that I don't always know. This was an honest mistake. My apologies.

Having said this, I genuinely hope her 2019 stance isn't her 2024 stance. This is so insane. It's no longer funny, but quite scary that it's true.
Thank you. But seriously. I’m not interested in being correct.

I purely want those on the fence, especially Christians, to see how horrible it would be if this woman was ever President.

Look at how Jaybird is panicking because he’s realizing that he can’t twist her awful transgender position.
 

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And again I have to wonder how many Trump supporters are okay with what he said last night about the National Guard and police showing up at and searching every home in the country.

When armed national guard troops show up at your door and demand to search your home, will you let them? Does the 4th Amendment to the Constitution matter to you?
 

ZNP

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I purely want those on the fence, especially Christians, to see how horrible it would be if this woman was ever President.
The most effective way to let them see how horrible it would be is if she does get elected.
 

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Here it is: https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf


There has to be a legal mechanism to do so (otherwise, why didn't Trump just shut it down on day 1 in 2017). After Trump ordered Republicans to kill the Senate bill, President Biden issued and EO that provided that.


Okay, I have to ask, are you for real? It seems like whenever you come across anything that isn't what you want to hear, you just say "it's a lie" no matter what. It's really weird.

And yes, President Biden closed the border this year. https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2024/0604/Biden-immigration-shut-down


Sigh

I didn't say that at all. I pointed out that the US has a history of being much, much worse than today on a lot of fronts, and wondered why God would punish us now but not then.

Geez, please try and read more carefully next time. :rolleyes:
You have got to be the only person here who believes the border is closed. And Biden could have signed an EO at any time during his presidency. He has done so many times. In fact, when he first came into office, he got rid of Trump's executive orders that had closed much of the border and had illegals staying in Mexico.

You just can't stop lying or misrepresenting truth.
 

Cameron143

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And again I have to wonder how many Trump supporters are okay with what he said last night about the National Guard and police showing up at and searching every home in the country.

When armed national guard troops show up at your door and demand to search your home, will you let them? Does the 4th Amendment to the Constitution matter to you?
That's not his plan and he never said this. This is what Harris and the mods implied. The home to home was in reference to entrenched illegals with guns. More lies.
 

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If Trump wins he will hand over Ukraine to Vladimir Putin,I wonder Why he thinks Vladimir respects him?
Ukraine isn't Trump's or anyone else's not Ukraine to "hand over." Vladimir Putin is on record supporting Harris. He supported Biden. He waited until Biden was elected to invade because he knew Biden was weak.
 

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You have got to be the only person here who believes the border is closed.
I just showed you that it is. If all you have is basically "Nuh uh" there's nothing else to say.

And Biden could have signed an EO at any time during his presidency.
Yep, he sure could have.

Are you going to start showing where the immigration reform bill says what you claimed?
 

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That's not his plan and he never said this. This is what Harris and the mods implied. The home to home was in reference to entrenched illegals with guns. More lies.
Then you weren't paying attention. From last night's transcript:

DAVID MUIR: Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well. President Trump, you called this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard. You say if things get out of control you'd have no problem using the U.S. military.
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: With local police.
DAVID MUIR: You also said you would use local police. How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? I know you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this. What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country?
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

Are you okay with that? You don't mind national guard troops and police searching through your home and everyone else's? Does the 4th Amendment mean anything to you?
 

Cameron143

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Then you weren't paying attention. From last night's transcript:

DAVID MUIR: Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well. President Trump, you called this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard. You say if things get out of control you'd have no problem using the U.S. military.
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: With local police.
DAVID MUIR: You also said you would use local police. How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? I know you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this. What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country?
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

Are you okay with that? You don't mind national guard troops and police searching through your home and everyone else's? Does the 4th Amendment mean anything to you?
They won't be at my house. I'm not an illegal, nor do I break the law. And local police wouldn't need help with me. Again, he wasn't talking about citizens, but gangs.
You want something to be true so badly, you have no problem misrepresenting the truth.