Total Depravity
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I never said anyone is without sin. I said that no one is born sinful nor born with a propensity to sin which is the premises of the OP. Again sin is learned, and it is learned from the world and by giving into the world and choosing the world over God. Therefore the correct option is option 1. Option 2 and option 3 would be to fault God because it would be saying that God made people to be born sinful or with a propensity to sin. Ezekiel 18 directly addresses the false doctrine of Total Depravity.
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because we specifically know they did not understand the things they prophesied, we know the motives of the humans in recording the scriptures are immaterial - it is what God intends that matters, and the scriptures themselves say that the scriptures are the testimony of Christ - of God pitching His tent among men and dwelling with them, of Who He is and the salvation He has wrought.
so the primary purpose of scripture is never what its human authors intended: it is always what the Spirit Who inspired and Authored it intends, and that is testimony of Christ.
therefore a way we can know if we understand rightly a passage is if the Christology of our understanding is correct.
hence, find Christ in Genesis 4
so the primary purpose of scripture is never what its human authors intended: it is always what the Spirit Who inspired and Authored it intends, and that is testimony of Christ.
therefore a way we can know if we understand rightly a passage is if the Christology of our understanding is correct.
hence, find Christ in Genesis 4
They choose self over God. They choose the carnal flesh over God.
Two commandments of Love ....
Love God with all your heart and Love your neighbour as yourself.
If we love self more then God or self more then our neighbour, = sin.
The world is full of temptation and sin but that is not an excuse for sin.
Sin is a choice. If we had hearts like Angels and were not corrupted we would find it much easier to choose God over self. The flesh is connected with this world. The flesh vs the spirit, heaven vs this world...
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Jn 2:15-16
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Our flesh longs for the lusts of this world but we can choose.
Two commandments of Love ....
Love God with all your heart and Love your neighbour as yourself.
If we love self more then God or self more then our neighbour, = sin.
The world is full of temptation and sin but that is not an excuse for sin.
Sin is a choice. If we had hearts like Angels and were not corrupted we would find it much easier to choose God over self. The flesh is connected with this world. The flesh vs the spirit, heaven vs this world...
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Jn 2:15-16
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Our flesh longs for the lusts of this world but we can choose.
All good comes from God.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Good fruits come from above.
None are good,
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Rom 3:9-12
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Good fruits come from above.
None are good,
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Rom 3:9-12
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Do you think none of the verses apply to you... are you too good, too righteous?
When we see our sinful state we seek help.
Mat 9:12-13
12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Even Isaiah come to realize that his righteousness was as filthy rages
The needy receive help
But those that are well and good don't ask for help because they have no need.
Jas 1:14-15
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Because I realize how weak and poor I am. I go to God for strength.
2Co 12:9-10
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
When we see our sinful state we seek help.
Mat 9:12-13
12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Even Isaiah come to realize that his righteousness was as filthy rages
The needy receive help
But those that are well and good don't ask for help because they have no need.
Jas 1:14-15
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Because I realize how weak and poor I am. I go to God for strength.
2Co 12:9-10
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
whether God indeed turns the hearts of men where He wills like water ((as scripture says)) or not,
the account of Cain and Abel would not be recorded in Genesis if it did not testify of Christ. all their lives are undocumented except for this. why?
because the Bible isn't about them. it's about God.
this is what Christ Himself says scripture is: testimony of Him.
the account of Cain and Abel would not be recorded in Genesis if it did not testify of Christ. all their lives are undocumented except for this. why?
because the Bible isn't about them. it's about God.
this is what Christ Himself says scripture is: testimony of Him.
not if what they were doing was commemorating salvation by mercy 
i think they had done this for dozens of years, and that Cain had always accepted a sheep from Abel before that day. that Abel, the family shepherd, had been providing a lamb for each of them. that Cain did not wish to be dependent on his shepherd anymore.
so he is infuriated that God tells him to go back to the shepherd and receive the free gift he offers, and instead he kills him.
his countenance falls when he learns he is not good enough on his own merit, that he needs a shepherd - and he responds with vanity and wrath.
i think they had done this for dozens of years, and that Cain had always accepted a sheep from Abel before that day. that Abel, the family shepherd, had been providing a lamb for each of them. that Cain did not wish to be dependent on his shepherd anymore.
so he is infuriated that God tells him to go back to the shepherd and receive the free gift he offers, and instead he kills him.
his countenance falls when he learns he is not good enough on his own merit, that he needs a shepherd - and he responds with vanity and wrath.
then they were a typology - a shadow, not the substance
not if what they were doing was commemorating salvation by mercy
i think they had done this for dozens of years, and that Cain had always accepted a sheep from Abel before that day. that Abel, the family shepherd, had been providing a lamb for each of them. that Cain did not wish to be dependent on his shepherd anymore.
so he is infuriated that God tells him to go back to the shepherd and receive the free gift he offers, and instead he kills him.
his countenance falls when he learns he is not good enough on his own merit, that he needs a shepherd - and he responds with vanity and wrath.
i think they had done this for dozens of years, and that Cain had always accepted a sheep from Abel before that day. that Abel, the family shepherd, had been providing a lamb for each of them. that Cain did not wish to be dependent on his shepherd anymore.
so he is infuriated that God tells him to go back to the shepherd and receive the free gift he offers, and instead he kills him.
his countenance falls when he learns he is not good enough on his own merit, that he needs a shepherd - and he responds with vanity and wrath.
But there is no reason to assume Adam and Eve considered God's response to their sin and the consequent shame as salvation. Salvation from what? Maybe if, before their eyes, God had slain the sheep to provide their covering, and told them,
"This could have been you," they would understand what physical death would have been like for them, had it been inflicted immediately. But we are not told that God slew a sheep and fast precesses the hide to make the garments; nor whether he sheared the sheep and spun and wove a garments. We are not told that they had any concept of eternal damnation and the medieval nightmares of hell that many have about it today. They did know their own shame and fear and alienation from God that had resulted from their distrust and transgression. And they knew that wearing the garment assuaged the shame of their nakedness when with people other than their spouse. were around.
We can read back into the narrative, types that fit our undertanding of Christian doctrine, and these will resonate with others who fined the types matching their own doctrine. But there is no guarantee that the types we are reading back into the old testament are what God intended us to see. Some pretty far out doctrines can be "proven" from the ingenious use of typology, such as the sinlessnes of Mary, the immaculate conception.
The Proverb can also be understood as "The heart of the king is a stream in the hand of the LORD, He turns [His hand] where He wills."
I agree with you that God recorded the episode of Cain and Abel because it also reveals some truth about Christ. But it also reveals information about mankind and sin and the devil, and provides us with warnings and exhortations.
I agree with you that God recorded the episode of Cain and Abel because it also reveals some truth about Christ. But it also reveals information about mankind and sin and the devil, and provides us with warnings and exhortations.