Transgender pain

[Greyfray]

I don't understand your question.
What is your specific question about Matthew 9:11-12?


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Mathew "19" 11-12, yes my question is Jesus says not all men can receive the message, why?

about some Eunuchs being born this way,
which is me,
made that way by men, or made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God.

Like if one can Google a Eunuch and say "yep that's a Eunuch" why would Jesus say "not all men can receive this message?"

 

[Blain]

Hey brother, I haven't seen you around, I hope you are well and blessed!! Here is what the OP said...

If you don't believe a transgender male is a valid male please don't comment I'm in pain and don't want my time wasted.

Now how can one answer this? God created male and female and transgenderism is a sin, it leads to death. And if this person is serious about wanting to take their life, now would be the time to tell them the truth! They are in bondage and apparently no one else cares enough about them to tell them the truth. Therefore we must! It may be seen as a waste of time by the OP, but you and I both are straight shooters, and we cannot let a lie pass. We are not helping people when we do that.

It is very good to see you again My issue is not with sin or the thorn at theirs side such people I admit it is a sin but noy

What's up Blain, I hope you're doing well and it's awesome "seeing" you again. I agree with what you're saying here for the most part. I understand you're point and don't disagree, it should be a safe place to come for ALL, but I also agree with Maxwel and don't see his comment the same way you did. I actually see it as loving as blunt as it was, we tell the people we love the truth. Right? And obviously he could have softened it up a bit and not come across as "counter attack-ish" as it did, but every word he said was truth. This wasn't why I felt compelled to respond though, it was the part where you said "And by the way it isn't a choice". What wasn't their choice? I wasn't 100% clear on exactly what you meant by that and would like to before I comment further.

Again, this conversation aside, it's great talking with you again and I hope you have a great day.

I admit My protectiveness over such people may have overcome me, But I have seen personally the struggle and hurt such people have to go through it is heart breaking infuriating the pain these people have go through but are for the most part only shown what is wrong with them when you encounter a person like who just from being treated as a human who a hug alone brings them to tears you don't conaisider the doctrine you see and feel the results.

people like this regardless of doctrine reveal the fruits of us who claim to be of Christ. the heart is far more vital than doctrine or what we believe to be the truth because if a heart is damaged in the name of truth it is not truth many do not see the results of so called turth the damage the self loathing the confusion

You can call it biblical but the results are what say otherwise

 

[Blain]

Hey brother, I haven't seen you around, I hope you are well and blessed!! Here is what the OP said...

If you don't believe a transgender male is a valid male please don't comment I'm in pain and don't want my time wasted.

Now how can one answer this? God created male and female and transgenderism is a sin, it leads to death. And if this person is serious about wanting to take their life, now would be the time to tell them the truth! They are in bondage and apparently no one else cares enough about them to tell them the truth. Therefore we must! It may be seen as a waste of time by the OP, but you and I both are straight shooters, and we cannot let a lie pass. We are not helping people when we do that.

I am sorry my health makes it hard to come online a lot but my reason for what I said is not because of doctrine or what we as Christians consider turth I have enountered and learned first hamd the struggles these people have had to go through I am an empath so whether by curse or blessing I feel and go through all those I talk to I can feel the struggle the pain the damage that while having good intentions many do more damage than good.

The mark of a believer is love and compassion understanding these people fight a war not many can understand they are beaten bruised and call themselves sinners and thus do not go for the kingdom

All the doctrines all the beliefs that only point out their flaws their sins it only damages them brings them down

The true child of God feels their souls pain they don't show where they are flawed but instead understand and help them through it.

I am sorry but it isn't enough for to have the truth if I am unable to rsonate and help others with it regardless of how much of the truth I have what is the point if it if I cannot connect the the hearts of those who need it?

 

[timemeddler]

A bit drastic

 

[maxwel]

Mathew "19" 11-12, yes my question is Jesus says not all men can receive the message, why?
about some Eunuchs being born this way,
which is me,
made that way by men, or made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God.

Like if one can Google a Eunuch and say "yep that's a Eunuch" why would Jesus say "not all men can receive this message?"

Eunuchs in Matthew Chapter 19

1.) First of all, to be a eunuch, you need to start off as a biological male.
So that's not you.
Whatever you are, a eunuch is not it.
There is no definition of eunuch that applies to you.

2.) If you do want to understand the verses of Matthew 19:11-12, you have to realize they're a culmination of an entire passage teaching about marriage and divorce, and you have to study the whole passage, and take everything in context. There are also some semantic issues that get a bit tricky if you don't follow the sentential logic carefully.

3.) Last, to reiterate, if you're a biological female, there is simply no definition of eunuch that applies to you.



Conclusion:
A.) Whatever is going on in your life... you aren't a eunuch, and you won't find any biblical passages to defend transgender ideology.
B.) If however you're willing to deal with reality, you will find plenty of Biblical passages to comfort you.


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[Greyfray]

Eunuchs in Matthew Chapter 19

1.) First of all, to be a eunuch, you need to start off as a biological male.
So that's not you.
Whatever you are, a eunuch is not it.
There is no definition of eunuch that applies to you.

2.) If you do want to understand the verses of Matthew 19:11-12, you have to realize they're a culmination of an entire passage teaching about marriage and divorce, and you have to study the whole passage, and take everything in context. There are also some semantic issues that get a bit tricky if you don't follow the sentential logic carefully.

3.) Last, to reiterate, if you're a biological female, there is simply no definition of eunuch that applies to you.



Conclusion:
A.) Whatever is going on in your life... you aren't a eunuch, and you won't find any biblical passages to defend transgender ideology.
B.) If however you're willing to deal with reality, you will find plenty of Biblical passages to comfort you.


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Because the context has marriage around it, I feel it includes the gays. You don't believe a male can be born into a female body, and I have to listen to my soul scream all the time in ways you will never experience. If I'm a male born into a female body, then I'm castrated. I'm still hungry for an answer on why Jesus would say not all men can receive the message if a Eunuch definition is so simple.

 

[Jimbone]

It is very good to see you again My issue is not with sin or the thorn at theirs side such people I admit it is a sin but noy

I admit My protectiveness over such people may have overcome me, But I have seen personally the struggle and hurt such people have to go through it is heart breaking infuriating the pain these people have go through but are for the most part only shown what is wrong with them when you encounter a person like who just from being treated as a human who a hug alone brings them to tears you don't conaisider the doctrine you see and feel the results.

people like this regardless of doctrine reveal the fruits of us who claim to be of Christ. the heart is far more vital than doctrine or what we believe to be the truth because if a heart is damaged in the name of truth it is not truth many do not see the results of so called turth the damage the self loathing the confusion

You can call it biblical but the results are what say otherwise

I understand what you're saying and agree 100%, we've got to show them compassion and love in order to follow Jesus example, the method can be everything. The thing is we have to be very careful both ways, we can't let the truth get in the way of our compassion, but we have to make sure our compassion isn't compromising the truth. It can go too far that way too, where we hold back the very hard truth that these things are wrong, and we can comfort them in their sin. That's no good either, honestly I think that can be harder to overcome than having someone get so militant about it that it's off putting. Regardless I do understand what you're saying and do agree knowing where you're coming from with it. Always great talking with you Blain, I hope you have a great day brother.

 

[maxwel]

Because the context has marriage around it, I feel it includes the gays. You don't believe a male can be born into a female body, and I have to listen to my soul scream all the time in ways you will never experience. If I'm a male born into a female body, then I'm castrated. I'm still hungry for an answer on why Jesus would say not all men can receive the message if a Eunuch definition is so simple.

The word eunuch literally refers to a biological male body.

That's what it means in Greek, that's what it means in English.
That's what it means.

How I FEEL about it is irrelevant... that is just what the word means.




You may be confused, hurt, in pain... you may be all kinds of things... but a eunuch you are not.

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[cinder]

Because the context has marriage around it, I feel it includes the gays. You don't believe a male can be born into a female body, and I have to listen to my soul scream all the time in ways you will never experience. If I'm a male born into a female body, then I'm castrated. I'm still hungry for an answer on why Jesus would say not all men can receive the message if a Eunuch definition is so simple.

Every time I've read that passage I always understood the not everyone can accept this as referring to the disciples comment about "it's better not to get married". We see plenty of people who can't accept that having no relationship at all is superior to being in a bad relationship.

 

[Greyfray]

Every time I've read that passage I always understood the not everyone can accept this as referring to the disciples comment about "it's better not to get married". We see plenty of people who can't accept that having no relationship at all is superior to being in a bad relationship.

In KJV Jesus uses the word eunuchs which wouldn't apply to simply being unmarried if you are arguing the same definition of Eunuch?

 

[Magenta]

In KJV Jesus uses the word eunuchs which wouldn't apply to simply being unmarried if you are arguing the same definition of Eunuch?

Some use it to mean being celibate, because the end result amounts to the same thing.

And though there are some who believe sex outside of marriage is not a sin, that is not the majority view.

Of course that would only apply to those who are not married at all.

 

[Greyfray]

Some use it to mean being celibate, because the end result amounts to the same thing.

That's "for the sake of the kingdom of God" I would think not being born that way

 

[Magenta]

That's "for the sake of the kingdom of God" I would think not being born that way

It could be being born that way was for the sake of the kingdom of God though, it being God's choice
and not the individual's. I am not saying that is the case, though, just offering it as a possibility.

 

[Greyfray]

It could be being born that way was for the sake of the kingdom of God though, it being God's choice
and not the individual's. I am not saying that is the case, though, just offering it as a possibility.

It would just be kind of redundant when Jesus specifically lists three separate types of Eunuchs, one being specifically for the kingdom of God so I don't believe that's the case

 

[Cameron143]

That's "for the sake of the kingdom of God" I would think not being born that way

Is your argument that you are a eunuch? Based on a biblical view of eunuchs?

 

[Magenta]

It would just be kind of redundant when Jesus specifically lists three separate types of
Eunuchs, one being specifically for the kingdom of God so I don't believe that's the case

My apologies, as I am not sure what point you are attempting to make.

It certainly is not as if Jesus never repeated Himself to make a point.

 

[Greyfray]

Is your argument that you are a eunuch? Based on a biblical view of eunuchs?

Yes that's what I'm arguing, that I was born that way, a male castrated by being born in a female body.

Because even though there is a physical definition of Eunuch, Jesus was all about parables and metaphors.

And I just can't get over how Jesus says not all can receive the message that there are some Eunuchs born that way, made that way by man, and some for the sake of the kingdom of God.

It would be easy to receive if it was the castrated biological male. What makes it so hard to receive that it's all over google.

Why bring Eunuchs into it instead of addressing single people?

 

[Cameron143]

Yes that's what I'm arguing, that I was born that way, a male castrated by being born in a female body.

Because even though there is a physical definition of Eunuch, Jesus was all about parables and metaphors.

And I just can't get over how Jesus says not all can receive the message that there are some Eunuchs born that way, made that way by man, and some for the sake of the kingdom of God.

It would be easy to receive if it was the castrated biological male. What makes it so hard to receive that it's all over google.

Why bring Eunuchs into it instead of addressing single people?

The reason I ask is because you seem to want to employ the biblical definition for eunuch, but not for gender. God made us male or female. Those are the only choices. Not only that, God made. Thus, if you are going to accept biblical definitions, it would seem fair to accept them all.
I'm not insensitive to your pain and inner turmoil. But it is truth that sets us free. And until you come to understand that you are indeed a female, and that is how God created you, and purposefully so, you will continue to be in pain. This is because the pain isn't due to the fact that you are a man trapped in a woman's body, but you are a woman who has believed untruths.
This is probably difficult to hear. I have hesitated in even sharing, as I am not a mental health professional. But I do hope you have access to good Christian counseling, and I will continue to pray for you.

 

[Magenta]

The reason I ask is because you seem to want to employ the biblical definition for
eunuch, but not for gender. God made us male or female. Those are the only choices.

What of hermaphrodites? .

 

[beaglehound]

Yes that's what I'm arguing, that I was born that way, a male castrated by being born in a female body.

Because even though there is a physical definition of Eunuch, Jesus was all about parables and metaphors.

And I just can't get over how Jesus says not all can receive the message that there are some Eunuchs born that way, made that way by man, and some for the sake of the kingdom of God.

It would be easy to receive if it was the castrated biological male. What makes it so hard to receive that it's all over google.
Why bring Eunuchs into it instead of addressing single people?[/QUOTE

Do you have a prostate?
Do you have female reproductive parts?
Do eunuchs have a prostate?
Do eunuchs have female reproductive parts?