Transgenderism and our Churches

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CS1 said:
Her name is

Her name is Cathy Grace, I met he a year ago and heard her testimony of How Christ got ahold of her and delivered her from The lie of transgenderism and overcoming her identity crises.

Cathy lived as a man for 15-20 years. She explained very well to me and others there how this came to be and that she saw all women ask weak through her mother's inability to deal with an abusive husband and father. She knew that at an early age, she did not want to be a woman. But those adults in her life took advantage of her. She has a very powerful testimony and Trangenderism is not about sex.

The leading cause of much of it: 1. abuse at an early age, 2. exposed to pornography, 3. bad mentors, i.e., parents, teachers, and pastors.
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Speel check I meant to say "I met her".
 
CS1 said:
The leading cause of much of it: 1. abuse at an early age, 2. exposed to pornography, 3. bad mentors, i.e., parents, teachers, and pastors.
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The pattern that is prevalent is that transgender inclinations appear to begin at a very early age. Many they remember wanting to be the opposite sex since they were 5 or even 4 years of age. Something happened at a very early developmental stage that the individual has no recollection of prior to let's say 4 years of age.
Perhaps a mom playfully dressing up her little boy in girlie clothes or fondling her little fellow as she bathed him. Or worse ridiculing him and shaming him for whatever reason.
 
beaglehound said:
Out of respect for the person I would.
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I'm still unsure about this aspect of it all. I do agree that it all must be done with respect, we all deserve that, imho, because we were all created in the image of God.

But I hesitate to use the pronouns that they inaccurately apply to themselves for several reasons. One is that is simply untrue. Remaining truthful is important to me.

Another reason is that it seems to perpetuate the, what I believe, delusion. I think that it's harmful psychologically and spiritually to affirm the delusion rather than help them see their own delusional state. I could understand how a psychiatrist/psychologist might use a modality method that includes "playing along" with a patient delusion until certain patterns emerge that can be utilized later to help dismantle the delusion... but I'm not a mental health professional.

Also, if the individual is claiming to be following Christ, I don't know any Scripture that really addresses this type of situation. I know that Jesus did interact with people that were "worldly"... "tax collectors and sinners"... but the closest thing to delusional folks that I could think of would be people that had unclean spirits; again, I have no experience with that type of thing. But there is Scripture that calls (some) Christians to confront sin in the congregation.

So, all in all, I'm left flat-footed on this issue?
 
Ted01 said:
A noble position... truly.

I must ask though... if you were to witness to a trans-person and they demanded that you not refer to them by the sex that they were born with at birth, but rather what they have transitioned to, would you?
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Sure. The gospel message is the same either way. God can fix their heads and bodies after He fixes their hearts.
 
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Ted01,

In an effort to answer your question let me present a scenario followed by
some questions.
Let us say there is a young woman attending your church. She is an adherent. You have known her for let's say 4 years. You of course have always called her Donna. You find her quite attractive and easy to talk to.

There is a trust and confidence that has been established. Not a relationship, just a solid mutual respectful admiration for each other.
Donna is 41. One day in confidence she reveals to you that she transitioned as a male at the age of 20. The transition was very successful and Donna passes very well.
What thoughts would go through your mind? Would you feel betrayed? Would you feel she is dillusional? Would you start using male pronouns? Would you feel uncomfortable called her Donna? Would this change how you related to "her"?

Please limit your response to the questions I've asked for now.
 
beaglehound said:
The pattern that is prevalent is that transgender inclinations appear to begin at a very early age. Many they remember wanting to be the opposite sex since they were 5 or even 4 years of age. Something happened at a very early developmental stage that the individual has no recollection of prior to let's say 4 years of age.
Perhaps a mom playfully dressing up her little boy in girlie clothes or fondling her little fellow as she bathed him. Or worse ridiculing him and shaming him for whatever reason.
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most children suffer from sexual abuse at an early age and don't remember. The point is the are children's parents are to redirect and reinforce right thinking not cuddle and support false narratives of identity. Mothers are the number one person who allow this to happen. HBO did a special on this and it was removed because it made the mother look stupid.
 
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CS1 said:
most children suffer from sexual abuse at an early age and don't remember. The point is the are children's parents are to redirect and reinforce right thinking not cuddle and support false narratives of identity. Mothers are the number one person who allow this to happen. HBO did a special on this and it was removed because it made the mother look stupid.
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Please clarify what you mean by "Mothers are the number one person who allow this to happen". Allow what to happen?
 
beaglehound said:
Of course. But many, well intentioned, cave into the LGBTQ agenda. Others viciously verbally attack.
Sharing the gospel yes but as believers our right to do so is being threatened. For example there is the cake baker who refused to prepare a wedding cake for a day couple. He was sued. Can't remember the eventual outcome but he was sued.

I don't know if you have kids or grandkids but what would you do if your kids' public school were required to fly the pride LGBTQ rainbow flag outside the school? Should Christian parents allow drag queen shows in the elementary school gymnasium in the name of inclusivity?
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FYI the baker eventually was cleared of any offence. It took a couple of court cases. Christians in business who want to avoid selling to the pride mob should get legal advice. They need to make sure that they use the right grounds for refusal.
 
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Gideon300 said:
FYI the baker eventually was cleared of any offence. It took a couple of court cases. Christians in business who want to avoid selling to the pride mob should get legal advice. They need to make sure that they use the right grounds for refusal.
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Yes, I'm aware the owner eventually won after taking it all the way to the Supreme Court. Good legal advice defining their rights would be essential in this sue happy society.
 
beaglehound said:
A must see video is:
" A Biblical Response to the Transing of America." by Pastor Gary Hamrick.

As I watched this video I found it riveting. I believe every professing Christian needs to see it.

Wokeism is attacking the very fabric of our society. No clearer is this than the transgender movement. One of the greatest challenges facing the church today is how to respond to the transgendered community.

How should a congregation respond to a transsexual male or female who wants to partake in worship? Should the person be quietly ushered to the back of the church or worse asked to leave? Should the congregation be "accepting" of the individual yet whispered and murmuring? Does one allow one's young ones to interact or do we play the avoidance game?
More practically speaking, what bathroom should the person be permitted to use?

What if the person wishes to be baptized, become a member, or offer to teach Sunday school.
How should the church respond to a young couple walking into the sanctuary holding hands. A couple who are lesbian or gay?

There are biblical responses to such questions and unfortunately such issues can be divisive.

If you choose to respond to this topic please keep to the topic which is how to respond to the transgender movement as it pertains to our churches. If you quote scripture by all means but please choose one or two and not post reems and reems.
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announce & plan a meeting on all sin having to do with transgenderism.
respond with a loving words with mainly teaching how that behavior is sinful & wrong & that they won't be going to heaven committing willful sin. speak this without angry dissatisfied facial expressions. i say the 1st time a couple walks into church don't say anything or approach them. certainly have pamphlets on the subject & try to hand them out with a caring smile after church service. invite them to a meeting on the issue. they must be taught, with the holy Spirit's guidance, that that sin is against the Lord & it will obviate them from entering heaven. by course, no murmuring, gossiping or looks! NEVER ALLOW THE YOUNG TO ASSOCIATE WITH SINNERS!!!!!!!! a private bathroom, not the regular men's & women's rooms. NO BAPTISM! you have to believe as a Christian to be born again & baptized. none of, "i believe this but not that, i don't do this but i'll do that". that's not Christian: (James 2:10)! no membership or teaching. you can't rightfully teach when your actions are against what is taught in a Christian church. ask the couple to please not act lovingly in any way as that's about the worst kids could see.
 
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beaglehound said:
What thoughts would go through your mind? Would you feel betrayed? Would you feel she is dillusional? Would you start using male pronouns? Would you feel uncomfortable called her Donna? Would this change how you related to "her"?
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That person was an evil deceiver
I would feel deceived
I would disassociate goodbye, good riddance.
I would out him to the congregation as well.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
That person was an evil deceiver
I would feel deceived
I would disassociate goodbye, good riddance.
I would out him to the congregation as well.
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And if you were in distress which meant life or death would you allow that person to save your life?
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Answering hypotheticals is pointless.
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And yet you answered my original question which was hypothetical.

Only pointless when you know what the obvious answer to my other question would be but don't want to admit it because you would be contradicting yourself.
 
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