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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the LOGOS WAS THEOS...that is the Greek in John 1:1 English translation...THE WORD WAS GOD...so Jesus is God and ofcourse the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God's Holy Spirit..a true Christian's Comforter, Counsellor, Teacher..these three are the one God
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
in the words of Isaiah the prophet, Jesus would be called all the names that speak of God in His entirety...Father, son and Holy Spirit(wonderful Counsellor)
in the words of Isaiah the prophet, Jesus would be called all the names that speak of God in His entirety...Father, son and Holy Spirit(wonderful Counsellor)
BOWMAN, CMCKEY7127, AND CAROLINEH.....
first off...
lets look at the definition of the triune doctrine also known as trinitarian/trinity doctrine...
the christian doctrine of the trinity defines GOD as three divine persons/beings... the father, the son (Jesus Christ), and the holy spirit.
the three persons/beings are distinct/separate yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial. put another way, the three persons of the trinity are of one being or ousia. the trinity is considered to be a mystery of christian faith.
according to this doctrine, there is only one GOD in three persons. each person is GOD, whole and entire. they are distinct/separate from one another in their relations of origin.
while distinct/separate in their relations with one another, they are one in all else. the whole work of creation and grace is a single operation common to all three divine persons, who at the same time operate according to their unique properties, so that all things are from the father, through the son and in the holy spirit.
in other words…
GOD is the father, the son, and the holy spirit… BUT…
the father is not the son nor the holy spirit… BUT...
the son is not the father nor the holy spirit… BUT...
the holy spirit is not the father nor the son…
this is wrong and is not according to GOD'S HOLY WORD.
the truth of GOD'S HOLY WORD is that GOD himself is in three roles/position.
in other words.....
GOD is the father, the son, and the holy spirit… AND…
the father is the son and the holy spirit…
the son is the father and the holy spirit…
the holy spirit is the father and the son…
just as GOD'S HOLY WORD is written...
old testament/ GOD as the Fathership role/position
4 gospels/ GOD as the Sonship role/position
new testament/ GOD as the HOLY SPIRITSHIP role/position
Bowman is correct in stating that my LORD JESUS CHRIST did appear to Abraham... as Melchizedek...
GOD has always used my LORD JESUS CHRIST body from Adam unto us.
Cmckey7127 is also correct in stating that it was two angels/messengers with GOD when he appearred unto Abraham.
and Carolineh is correct in stating as i have above...
GOD is the father, the son, and the holy spirit… AND…
the father is the son and the holy spirit…
the son is the father and the holy spirit…
the holy spirit is the father and the son…
just as GOD promised unto Abraham with the three different sacrifices laid before Abraham in Genesis 15.
first off...
lets look at the definition of the triune doctrine also known as trinitarian/trinity doctrine...
the christian doctrine of the trinity defines GOD as three divine persons/beings... the father, the son (Jesus Christ), and the holy spirit.
the three persons/beings are distinct/separate yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial. put another way, the three persons of the trinity are of one being or ousia. the trinity is considered to be a mystery of christian faith.
according to this doctrine, there is only one GOD in three persons. each person is GOD, whole and entire. they are distinct/separate from one another in their relations of origin.
while distinct/separate in their relations with one another, they are one in all else. the whole work of creation and grace is a single operation common to all three divine persons, who at the same time operate according to their unique properties, so that all things are from the father, through the son and in the holy spirit.
in other words…
GOD is the father, the son, and the holy spirit… BUT…
the father is not the son nor the holy spirit… BUT...
the son is not the father nor the holy spirit… BUT...
the holy spirit is not the father nor the son…
this is wrong and is not according to GOD'S HOLY WORD.
the truth of GOD'S HOLY WORD is that GOD himself is in three roles/position.
in other words.....
GOD is the father, the son, and the holy spirit… AND…
the father is the son and the holy spirit…
the son is the father and the holy spirit…
the holy spirit is the father and the son…
just as GOD'S HOLY WORD is written...
old testament/ GOD as the Fathership role/position
4 gospels/ GOD as the Sonship role/position
new testament/ GOD as the HOLY SPIRITSHIP role/position
Bowman is correct in stating that my LORD JESUS CHRIST did appear to Abraham... as Melchizedek...
GOD has always used my LORD JESUS CHRIST body from Adam unto us.
Cmckey7127 is also correct in stating that it was two angels/messengers with GOD when he appearred unto Abraham.
and Carolineh is correct in stating as i have above...
GOD is the father, the son, and the holy spirit… AND…
the father is the son and the holy spirit…
the son is the father and the holy spirit…
the holy spirit is the father and the son…
just as GOD promised unto Abraham with the three different sacrifices laid before Abraham in Genesis 15.
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ra88itt
Guest
Hi Mr. Bowman
cmckey7127 said:
<<"I would love for you all to go talk to the Jew's and then tell me any word referring to God in the old testament was referring to a unity (pleas feel free to contact me with the information you find) ">>
Elohim....
Are you saying that elohim is definitely plural in Genesis 1:1, whereas numerical masculine 'im' suffix Hebrew nouns are not always literally plural ? Can we really say that the 'only technically plural' elohim in Genesis 1:1 is definitely denoting multiplicity of form ? I don't believe so.
cmckey7127 said:
<<"I would love for you all to go talk to the Jew's and then tell me any word referring to God in the old testament was referring to a unity (pleas feel free to contact me with the information you find) ">>
Elohim....
Are you saying that elohim is definitely plural in Genesis 1:1, whereas numerical masculine 'im' suffix Hebrew nouns are not always literally plural ? Can we really say that the 'only technically plural' elohim in Genesis 1:1 is definitely denoting multiplicity of form ? I don't believe so.
Defend your assertions with scripture.
Did Melchizedek also appear to Moses in the Burning Bush?
Since when are angels called Yahweh?
The fact that Elohim is used before Yahweh in the text is significant, as it shows plurality in the One God, as evidenced in the context, where it immediately mentions 'word' and 'spirit'...
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Bea22
Guest
I believe he was meaning that the flesh body called Jesus Christ was conceived in the womb - with no help from man - but that the Spirit of Christ was before the Word was made flesh.
After all, the Word is both Spirit and Life, not just rhema or gramma.
In the time of Moses, the burning bush was a pillar of fire in a bush and a Voice.
In Elijah's day, there was a still small Voice.
The fourth man in the fire, we know not whether he had a physical body or was just in the form of a man. The pillar of fire and bright light that appeared to Saul had a Voice.
Let me ask you something. If that Voice is Spoken Word, is that Voice the Father or the Son speaking?
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jkalyna
Guest
JESUS READ FROM THE BOOK OF ISAIAH IN THE TEMPLE. I JUST THINK THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS IT ALL IN ONE. FATHER GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND JESUS THE REDEEMER. ( ISAIAH 48: 16 AND 17. COME YE NEAR UNTO ME, HEAR YE THIS, I HAVE NOT SPOKEN IN SECRET FROM THE BEGINNING: FROM THE TIME THAT IT WAS, THERE AM I AND NOW THE LORD GOD, AND HIS SPIRIT, HATH SENT ME. ISAIAH 17: THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE O ISRAEL, I AM THE LORD THY GOD WHICH LEADETH THEE BY THE WAY THAT THOU SHOULDEST GO. THE FATHER GOD CREATOR IS IN THIS, THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT SAYS HIS SPIRIT, BUT HE IS HOLY, THEREFORE IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, AND JESUS THE REDEEMER. I FOUND THIS IN THE KJV.
Who's voice?
Scripture?
That depends upon the scripture being referenced.
If it is Malek Yahweh, etc, then it is the Son.
The Father never manifested in human form, thus, if just a voice with no indication of physical form, I would say that it was the Father.
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Bea22
Guest
That's what I'm asking you. Whose Voice spoke to Moses from the burning bush?
1 Kings 19:12
The Father? I thought the Son is the Word? Wasn't Jesus the Word of God the Father? Did He not speak all things into existence?
How about the no physical form, bright light that appeared to Saul on his way to Damascus? The Voice told him exactly who He was.
So then, what is your revelation of what the WORD is? Is it written, spoken, or something else?
Yahweh.
God the Father.
Scripture states that the Trinity brought all things into existence.
And?
As already stated, it depends upon the scripture being referenced.
The Son.
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Bea22
Guest
You might have to put the exact scriptures that say Trinity brought all things into existence because I'm not aware of where they are in the Bible.
Also, the Word is the Son? So what exactly is the Son? Is He flesh, is He Spirit, is He written Word, is He spoken Word? Is He the manifestation of the Word?
When He comes riding with the name 'Word of God' what does that 'Word of God' mean to you? Is it on the pages of the Bible, isn't it also manifested somehow?
You see, the point I'm making is, people say Jesus the Son is the Word of God and yet cannot say what that Word is. For one thing, the Word is both Spirit and Life, its sharper than a two edged sword, its written and spoken, its a seed and it also comes to life.
How about this one, 'if my word abides in you, and you in me, you can ask what you will'. Does the Word have Word? Or is the Word that the Word speaks the Word?
Father: Gen 2.7, Psa 102.25, Heb 1.2
Son: John 1.3, Col 1.16, Heb 1.2; 8 - 10
Spirit: Gen 1.2, Job 33.4, Psa 104.30
He is the physical manifestation of the invisible God.
Scripture?
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Bea22
Guest
As I suspected. Broken up but nothing stating the Trinity spoke all things into existence.
No arguments there. Where is the invisible God now?
These scriptures you should have heard of yourself but here you go: John 15:7
Does the Word have His own Word, or is the Word that He speaks the Word of God? Is the Word that the prophets speak their own word or the Word of God? Is the Word that the authors of the Bible wrote their own word or the Word of God?
Father, Son & Spirit are given full credit.
Deal with it...
Everywhere.
Why don't you post your example and see for yourself?
It is, afterall, self-explanatory...
Is Jesus quoting God the Father in Mark 12.26?
Mark 12.26...
Jesus said "But about the dead rising, have you never read in the book of Moses in the account of the bush how God said to him 'I am the God of Abraham'?"
No.
He is quoting Himself, God the Son, as thus…
Exodus 3.1 - 6
And Moses was feeding the flock of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock behind the wilderness and came to the mountain of The Gods, to Horeb. And Malek Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the middle of a thorn bush. And he looked, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, and the thorn bush was not burned up! And Moses said, I will turn aside now and see this great sight, why the thorn bush is not burned up. And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and Elohim called to him from the midst of the thorn bush, and said, Moses! Moses! And he said, Behold me. And He said, Do not come near here. Pull off your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground. And He said, I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face, for he feared to look upon The Gods.
These verses tell us plainly that Moses both saw and spoke with Malek Yahweh (i.e. God the Son) in the midst of the fire.
Observe that the Triune God occupies the Mount (Moses came to the mountain of all The Gods ‘Ha- Elohim’), as the terms Yahweh, Elohim, Malek Yahweh & Ha- Elohim (literally all The Gods!) are used interchangeably.
Who occupied the burning bush?
• Malek Yahweh
• Yahweh
• Elohim
• The Gods (Ha Elohim)
That Malek Yahweh is actually Yahweh, and that Moses spoke to Malek Yahweh, is proven in these verses, as thus…
Deut 4.15 - 19
Therefore you shall carefully watch over your souls, for you have not seen any likeness in the day Yahweh spoke to you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire, that you not deal corruptly, and make for yourselves a graven image, a likeness of any figure, the form of a male or female, the form of any animal in the earth; the form of any winged bird that flies in the heavens; the form of any creeping thing on the ground; the form of any fish in the waters under the earth; and that you not lift up your eyes towards the heavens and shall see the sun, and the heavens, and you be drawn away and worship them, and serve them; which Yahweh Elohim has allotted to all the peoples under all the heavens.
It really should not come as any surprise that Moses saw and spoke to The Son, as the NT also records that Abraham did likewise…
John 8.56 – 58
Your father Abraham leaped for joy that he should see My day, and he saw, and rejoiced.Then the Jews said to Him, You do not yet have fifty years, and have You seen Abraham?Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came to be, I AM!
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Bea22
Guest
Sigh.
You've just done a 360 on the first post I responded to, you asked if it was Jesus in the burning bush.
Oh no sorry, now you are saying there were three in the burning bush.
But only one Voice spoke to Moses. I guess the other two were silent when He said He is the I Am hey?
Jesus said that the Father is in Him and He is in the Father and whoever has seen Him has seen the Father..this is to say that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus..Jesus is the manifestation of the Godhead..the Trinity is about God being made up of three distinct (NOT separate at all...but unified) Persons (not beings cause God is one Being and not three)