True Born Again Christians Have Eternal Security

[zone]

Yep Yes
Yes
God has chosen to allow to choose Not without God, no I could not

you sin in word thought and deed, and you do it often.
you need confession and cleansing.
only people who end up naked in the jungle thinking they are God have degraded The Cross and The Law to such an extent.

take care then.

 

[sinless]

you sin in word thought and deed, and you do it often.
you need confession and cleansing.
only people who end up naked in the jungle thinking they are God have degraded The Cross and The Law to such an extent.

take care then.

Remind me again..... Who is the accuser of the brethren?

 

[homwardbound]

What is your point that I dont have the blood of Yeshua on me or that I deny the Lamb of GOD.
I notice you post these strange comments with my posts I wonder if you think I am born again or not.
This guy calls himself sinless why dont you show me where anybody other than Yeshua is or can be.
Your story I take it as that right a story fiction. I mean you didnt actually get a credit card that the fed. can put interest on right lol. Your story is meant for what reason why would you use it and put it with my post?

I was only letting you know what I beleive to be true, and you have taken offense to me and I ahve said nothoing bad to you, I have been heklpful not harnful to you, and you posttome as if I think you are not saved or something to that effect
Wheaton65 I just love you brother as God just love you as well.
I do not believe in pulling out swords and cutting off ears as Peter had done, not knowing that a new way of life was coming the resurrection of the cross of Christ after the death.
sorry you have decided to take offence of me, nothing in the above that I see was offensive to anyone.

 

[fdivine]

The real truth is eternal security is a doctrine from the pit of hell to deceive believers back into the bondage of sin.The soul that sinneth.it shall die.Heaven is holy and no unclean person shall enter into it.Revelation 21:27!

 

[svedbygrace]

I showed earlier that the ones being kept by the Power of God through Faith in 1 Pet 1:5 are the same ones that had been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

I shared that this same word begotten is also used in this same chapter of 1 Pet in vs 23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

This New Person has been born out of incorruptible seed, the word of God. This is the Person who believes in Christ, and this person,born of incorruptible seed, The Logos of God. This Person cannot sin according to John. 1 Jn 3:9

9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now John says He that is born of God doth not commit sin ! This being born is the same word used in 1 Pet 1:3, 23 and here in 1 Jn 3:9 its in the perfect tense, meaning having once and for all in the past been born of God, never to be repeated again and its efficacy is into the present. This birth cannot terminate, for it's of an incorruptible seed that cannot die.

Also 1 Jn 5:18

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Its the same word born, begotten. The born again one Keepteth Himself as well. He sinneth not, nor does the wicked one toucheth him.

As stated in 1 Jn 3:9, God's seed remains in the born again one and so he cannot sin. He can never be lost.

Remember,the one being said that cannot loose their salvation has been born out of incorruptible seed. Thats saying a Good Tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit Matt 7:

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[Angela53510]

Haha, I didn't say it was evil. I certainly didn't want to kill the man, I just thought what he did was rude.

You people are wild

You love your sin so much you cant imagine someone loving Jesus

Who said "killing someone" was the definition of evil?

Bad:

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To be bad is to sin, to fall short of the glory of God.

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]and all are justified freely by his gracethrough the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. [SUP]25 [/SUP]God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— [SUP]26 [/SUP]he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus." Romans 3:23-26

And please forgive me if you think I am picking on you. I am just hoping you will see the ridiculousness of your erroneous theology. I honestly fear for someone who things they can live a sinless life. Only Jesus did that, and we just pray to be transformed through our lives by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 12:2.

 

[sinless]

And please forgive me if you think I am picking on you. I am just hoping you will see the ridiculousness of your erroneous theology. I honestly fear for someone who things they can live a sinless life. Only Jesus did that, and we just pray to be transformed through our lives by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 12:2.

What I think is ridiculous is how faithless you are, and how weak you think God is. I believe Jesus has made us free, all we must do now is walk in our freedom. When people say that we are not to make sin a habit, but yet everyone sins, and will not be completely freed from sin until the resurrection. They do not truly believe (have faith in the fact) that the Son can make us free indeed.

 

[wdeaton65]

I was only letting you know what I beleive to be true, and you have taken offense to me and I ahve said nothoing bad to you, I have been heklpful not harnful to you, and you posttome as if I think you are not saved or something to that effect
Wheaton65 I just love you brother as God just love you as well.
I do not believe in pulling out swords and cutting off ears as Peter had done, not knowing that a new way of life was coming the resurrection of the cross of Christ after the death.
sorry you have decided to take offence of me, nothing in the above that I see was offensive to anyone.

sorry my bad blessings

 

[wdeaton65]

I would like to say one thing Chuck Missler taught in one of his teachings. I believe it to be true. The only man made thing in Heaven are the scares my LORD has from my sin HE took for me. I could never know enough or do enough to re pay this debt HE paid for some one like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Angela53510]

What I think is ridiculous is how faithless you are, and how weak you think God is. I believe Jesus has made us free, all we must do now is walk in our freedom. When people say that we are not to make sin a habit, but yet everyone sins, and will not be completely freed from sin until the resurrection. They do not truly believe (have faith in the fact) that the Son can make us free indeed.

You have admitted to the sin of anger. And yet you continue to throw stones at anyone who does not agree with you. You only post on this topic. You are never seen in the prayer forum, or discussing any other Biblical topic. I continue to fear for you. You also have the sin of pride, in thinking you are the only saved person here. (Or anyone who agrees with you!)

"For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, [SUP]22 [/SUP]coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. [SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” Mark 7:21-23

I suggest you stop throwing stones at everyone here. Jesus would not be happy at what you are trying to do.

"And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7

Finally, I ask you to look at the fruits of your postings here. I do not see anyone being converted to your false belief in sinless perfection, especially when you admit to having sinned. Just in case you have forgotten, the fruits of the Holy Spirit are:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." Gal. 5:22-23.

So why do you not try and concentrate on spreading the love, joy, peace, kindness and so forth of your relationship with Christ, instead of preaching judgment from texts which are incorrectly translated, and picked out of context?

 

[sinless]

You have admitted to the sin of anger.

That is a lie

 

[sinless]

You also have the sin of pride, in thinking you are the only saved person here.

That is also a lie

 

[sinless]

Finally, I ask you to look at the fruits of your postings here. I do not see anyone being converted

#1 You do not know that
#2 It is not my job to convert anyone Holy Spirit will do that if they will hear Him. It is my job to speak the truth of the gospel

The fact is most people have hardened their hearts to the point that they will not receive truth and will continue in their sin ending up in Hell. However their blood will not be on my hands.

Ezekiel 33
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

 

[sinless]

So why do you not try and concentrate on spreading the love, joy, peace, kindness and so forth of your relationship with Christ, instead of preaching judgment from texts which are incorrectly translated, and picked out of context?

If you think speaking of the consequence of sin is unloving then there is your problem right there. Oh and I remember now it is not you who is mistaken it is the translators.....and she speaks of pride?

 

[Ariel82]

James 3
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

mmmm lets see... peaceable?

nope definitely not..

Gentle? nope

willing to yield? are you jokng? it seems that being "RIGHT" is so much more "fun"

mercy? Good fruit? without hyprocrisy or partiality? attempts to make peace or promote understanding? mmmmmmmmmm........

maybe tomorrow then......

 

[Angela53510]

Not converted to God! Converted to your perverse beliefs!

I am so sorry for you. You are so unable to evaluate your own life and your own sin. You are a victim of your pride in every way that counts.

I will pray that God will open your eyes to his amazing love and forgiveness which he gives not only when we are justified, but throughout our walk with Christ!

Interesting about that scripture from Ezekiel, too! When I read that verse as a young Christian, I was very affected. But I was not motivated to go into Christian forums or churches and tell people they were all going to hell because they continued in sin.

I was motivated to go to the lost and share the gospel of Jesus Christ. I have been doing that all my life. As for God judging, he will judge, not you! My heart is clean before God, because I daily confess my sins, and try to walk in obedience to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

I do not serve a God who does not understand sin and temptation.

"[SUP]14 [/SUP]Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:14-16

The fact that it says that Jesus is WITHOUT SIN, implies that he understands that we DO have sin! He sympathizes with our weaknesses. The writer is talking about SIN!! Read the Scriptures! The truth is there, if you would look beyond your own self-righteousness.

 

[sinless]

James 3
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

mmmm lets see... peaceable?

nope definitely not..

Gentle? nope

willing to yield? are you jokng? it seems that being "RIGHT" is so much more "fun"

mercy? Good fruit? without hyprocrisy or partiality? attempts to make peace or promote understanding? mmmmmmmmmm........

maybe tomorrow then......

And you could say the same about Jesus and Paul also. How many riots did those guys steer up.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not peaceable or kind.

 

[sinless]

Not converted to God! Converted to your perverse beliefs!

Sinners need to be converted to God

 

[GreenNnice]

That is also a lie

#1 You do not know that
#2 It is not my job to convert anyone Holy Spirit will do that if they will hear Him. It is my job to speak the truth of the gospel

The fact is most people have hardened their hearts to the point that they will not receive truth and will continue in their sin ending up in Hell. However their blood will not be on my hands.

Ezekiel 33
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

The blood of Christ covers us, that is the truth

You are right, sinfree, we are, because of Him, freeeeee, indeed

 

[sinless]

The blood of Christ covers us, that is the truth

You are right, sinfree, we are, because of Him, freeeeee, indeed

I would say He cleansed us