True Born Again Christians Have Eternal Security
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Just watch the entire video and your questions should be answered.
Also, just a quick logical statement. If God does all the work, then God is in essence sending people on hell on purpose. But then you can say, but you yourself found Christ? But then you did all the work... but you claim God does all the work... do you see the circular logic?
Basically, if you watch the video he will address these issues and use Bible verses. Just watch the entire video.
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You can do it until your blue in the face.
the words of a man is not going to overrule the words of God himself.
do you not think we have heard the arguments this man has made already?
stop listening to a man, and listen to God.
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what questions? you think we have questions?
God said I am sealed by his spirit. complete in him, have eternal life, will never die, will never hunger or thirst. will live forever, am assured of his love, have not been given the spirit of fear. but a daddy who loves me. will never leave nor forsake me, have given the right to be his child not on my works, but by my faith in him. I can go on and on and on.
you think this video is going to change what god said about me??
nope. God is sending people to hell because he did the work to save them, showed them himself (rom 1) and gave them the opportunity and gospel to trust in.
they willingly rejected to trust him. As paul said,, no man has an excuse.
You never tasted the fruit and decided you did not want it? Tasting and having are different. Hebrews 5:10-6:6
And God's Spirit testifies with our Spirit as to we are his!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
We each know in self if we are God's or not, no matter how well one acts. And God reveals this and gives the Spirit to us to tell us truth that sets one free, and shall be free indeed, praying you come to this freedom
Really, that a homeless man out of the garbage can and show him the wedding feast, and marry him to the feast (Christ) would one really go back to the garbage can as a dog returns to his vomit.
Bot when one see through that dark mirror that clears thanks to Father for clearing it, through Son it is cleared, and we are cleansed,
We are not dogs anymore getting table scraps, we are married to the King. And one walks away, hmm I see not so when one sees through the looking glass, as God through Son has done for everyone tol have new life here and now trusting God an all things that happen good or bad. Never cursing God as Job did, never cursed God, had problems yes
You got that right Works follow the believer, but whose works follow, self or God's?>
Where sin abounded, Grace all the more abounded, by one man Adam sin came into the world and by one Man, Christ all sin paid for and redemption, reconciliation, forgiven is the message given to the apostles, and this message is given to us to be in response thankful seeing we as reconciled s we accept this and are reconciled to the new life in the resurrected Christ in Spirit for us to walk as Christ walked in total dependence on Father through the Holy Spirit of God, the same Holy Spirit that Christ listened to
So I need to see what am I being led by daily the old flesh or the Spirit of God in love? I have decided, want to join in on the fellowship of God in Spirit and truth, or argue with flesh fighting flesh?
Thanks Frank, how can one ever discover new oceans without the courage to take their eyes off the shore
Doubt Sister, is what keeps one from the truth, Doubt is what started it all. So for me I have no doubt that God saves, and this is by belief without a doubt, God has testified this to me in Spirit and truth as well as to all if they will begin with being forgiven by Son before any one of us were ever born.
Do you believe this? no room here for doubt, either you beleive, receive and see that no one can snatch you out of his has, No one includes self
Loves you that deep as far as the east is from the west
It is wrong Doctrine for Those that take it for granted, and do not continue in the Faith at what is done through Son
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
And we are forgiven not ever meant to take it for granted
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
[video=youtube;3YXINEYdnkY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXINEYdnkY&feature=youtube_gdata_player [/video]
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For the Christian, death is merely a minor inconvenience.....for the non-Christian....it is a terrifying and crushing experience.....full of dread anxiety and irreconcilable concerns; to be caught dead without Christ is nothing short of a catastrophe !
Departure of the Faith ! 3
Jn 10:28
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Christ their Good Shepherd is much malign by these scoffers of Truth, for He has also said that not any should pluck His Sheep [ who heard His voice and are now following Him] out of His Hand, coupled with the promise they shall never perish. But these scoffers will say, yes but the sheep on their own will can pluck themselves out of the Hand of their Shepherd and come from out of His Securing Hand, What Blasphemy and disrespectful speech against the Son of God !
If that were true, thats an indictment against the Shepherd who is responsible for them, and their Eternal Well Being,and that at all times, for it is written Ps 121:2-8
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.
3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
4 Behold, he that keepeth Israell shall neither slumber nor sleep.
5 The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand.
6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.
7 The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
8 The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.
This Truth for the People of the Israel of God must be scrapped if at anytime one of these looses their soul. That would mean that the Shepherd did not preserve their soul forever more. It means the Lord failed in preserving them from All Evil.
Which Truth is restated in the NT 2 Thess 3:3
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
Now if an Sheep wanders out of the Security of the Shepherd, how does this promise mean anything but idle chatter !
The point s this, He that keepeth the feet of the saints, never slumbers nor sleeps Ps 121:4, if this be True, how can a Sheep in His Hand, His Protection wander away from Him and be Lost ? That needs explaining and that denotes imperfection on His Part. By Christ stating what He did in Jn 10:27-30, He is ensuring that all His Sheep get to Heaven [ Eternal Life in its consummation] and if not, its per lack of Power and Ability on behalf of He and His Father, and those who teach lost of Salvation for an saved Sheep, they wickedly attack and discredit the Power of Both the Father and the Son, so they can elevate man over God ! Teaching loss of salvation is the epitome of Blasphemy and Idolatry !93
Jn 10:28
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Christ their Good Shepherd is much malign by these scoffers of Truth, for He has also said that not any should pluck His Sheep [ who heard His voice and are now following Him] out of His Hand, coupled with the promise they shall never perish. But these scoffers will say, yes but the sheep on their own will can pluck themselves out of the Hand of their Shepherd and come from out of His Securing Hand, What Blasphemy and disrespectful speech against the Son of God !
If that were true, thats an indictment against the Shepherd who is responsible for them, and their Eternal Well Being,and that at all times, for it is written Ps 121:2-8
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.
3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
4 Behold, he that keepeth Israell shall neither slumber nor sleep.
5 The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand.
6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.
7 The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
8 The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.
This Truth for the People of the Israel of God must be scrapped if at anytime one of these looses their soul. That would mean that the Shepherd did not preserve their soul forever more. It means the Lord failed in preserving them from All Evil.
Which Truth is restated in the NT 2 Thess 3:3
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
Now if an Sheep wanders out of the Security of the Shepherd, how does this promise mean anything but idle chatter !
The point s this, He that keepeth the feet of the saints, never slumbers nor sleeps Ps 121:4, if this be True, how can a Sheep in His Hand, His Protection wander away from Him and be Lost ? That needs explaining and that denotes imperfection on His Part. By Christ stating what He did in Jn 10:27-30, He is ensuring that all His Sheep get to Heaven [ Eternal Life in its consummation] and if not, its per lack of Power and Ability on behalf of He and His Father, and those who teach lost of Salvation for an saved Sheep, they wickedly attack and discredit the Power of Both the Father and the Son, so they can elevate man over God ! Teaching loss of salvation is the epitome of Blasphemy and Idolatry !93
Here is what I read about Doug Batchelor, host of Amazing Facts.
Prestigious defender of Seventh-Day Adventism, host of the popular “Amazing Facts” television program. Also hosts “Bible Answers Live” radio show. Many of his prophecy teachings are rejected by mainstream prophecy scholars and teachers. He, and other Adventists use “bait and switch” tactics at highly-publicized prophecy seminars (after many hours of prophetic teaching, participants are eventually told they will receive the “mark of the beast” if they don’t convert to a Seventh-Day Adventist). Many are duped by this tactic due to their lack of Bible prophecy knowledge. These “Revelation seminars” promote doctrines that are required knowledge for membership or baptism in the SDA church. For example, popular teachings are the “great whore” of Babylon in Revelation 17 & 18 is the Catholic church, and the “daughters of the whore” are Protestant Sunday-keeping churches of today. The origins of SDA doctrine are rooted in date setting, false prophecies and legalism.
I find these kinds of statements histerical. You are a man and you are expounding on scripture. You want others to listen to you as if you are not a man? Talk about illogical reasoning.
Well EG, you and I have been told we can't be by belief in Christ dead to flesh and alive to God in Spirit and truth
Fir it is the only way to escape the carnal nature longer and deeper is to reckon oneself dead to sin by Christ's death for us at the cross, and possibly move on into the new life Father has already given us and see deeper and deeper
For no flesh , but Christ's ever pleased God
Anyway, time maybe to just move on, can never forcr anyone to drink, which is what God has done for us, taken the wrath through Son, so we can drink pure water and never thirst again
this pure water is there for all, Either we beleive and drink or we do not beleive and do not drink
Too simple
Fir it is the only way to escape the carnal nature longer and deeper is to reckon oneself dead to sin by Christ's death for us at the cross, and possibly move on into the new life Father has already given us and see deeper and deeper
For no flesh , but Christ's ever pleased God
Anyway, time maybe to just move on, can never forcr anyone to drink, which is what God has done for us, taken the wrath through Son, so we can drink pure water and never thirst again
this pure water is there for all, Either we beleive and drink or we do not beleive and do not drink
Too simple