True Christianity is Not Biblical.

[Jacob12]

see those doors in the middle with the cross on it, its called the holy of holies back there, thats where only the priest may enter and make our requests unto God and forgive us for our sins, that isnt biblical in the slightest according to the Word of God but only by the traditions of man. Nowhere did the early church have this outline given in conducting church,
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mixing old wine with new

No arguement there, accept that they stole the name from the levitical priesthood, holy of holies is where the animal sacrifices were performed to make an atonement for sins once a year on the Day of Atonement, before Jesus' crucifiction. However when Jesus died the sacrificial law ended, which is why the veil of the temple (holy of holies) was torn in two (Matthew 27:51). As scripture says Daniel 9:26-27, "And after 62 weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.....and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease"
Anyway I wouldn't even call the doctrine most churches teach christianity, so many thing were added along the way, that most people would rather just stick with tradition, than do what the bible actually says.

 

[Laodicea]

Christ founded an infallible Church. He didn't base it "on the Bible alone". True Christianity is based on the Church, the "pillar and ground of the truth". The Bible is not the Pillar and Ground of the Truth. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church IS the Pillar and Ground of the Truth (1 Timothy 3:15). True Christianity is not Biblical: It is Trinitarian (of the Holy Trinity alone) and Ecclesiatical (in, of, with, by, and for the Church alone). In Erie PA USA God bless America. God bless the Orthodox Church. Not necessarily in that order. Scott R. Harrington October 16/29, 2011 AD

Luke 24:27
(27) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus used all the scripture to show that he fulfilled it and being Jesus disciples Jesus could have related things in Jesus life that they would have known and related that to prophecy

 

[Katy-follower]

Scott, you're a tough cookie.

I already responded to your thread about interpreting the bible: Thread- http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...iptures-plain-all-christians-read-them-7.html (my response is half way down page 7).


Galatians 5:16-18: "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law"
(Scott - you need to turn from worldly flesh things, like man made religions. It is of the flesh and not of the spirit. You have to turn to God and not religion). God did not come here to give us religion. Everyone has lost the plot.

Also - your priest is just a man. You can't be sure he has it right and I can tell you right now that what he teaches is wrong. Why would you put your trust in a man?

Do you not realize that the wrath of God will not just be poured on the religious teachers of false doctrines - but also on those who follow it!!! So, Scott, you are not off the hook if you stay in the EO church - because that church follows false doctrines. It is of the flesh and not of the Spirit.

You have a responsibility to test your church against the bible, to see if the teachings agree (1 John 4:1: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world") Why is it you won't do this? Are you in denial? Are you worried about what you will find? You can't let your priest hold your hand and feed you lies. I know you aren't reading the bible for yourself otherwise you would find that your church teaches a different doctrine, and you would leave your church and their false doctrine behind you.

Are you not curious to know what it is that we all see that you don't? We all see it Scott.

 

[Katy-follower]

im going to leave this discussion alone for tonight, I have to wake up and go to the Church of Christ in the morning (Eastern Orthodox Apostolic Church).

Do you realize you're worshiping a different Christ from the one in the bible? Christ in the bible is angry at all things that go against his word. Your EO church studies false doctrines of man... living in the flesh and not the Spirit. The teachings of your church go against God. Did you know this?

I hope you will leave religion behind and turn to God because his wrath is on you if you refuse to trust in him and his word.

 

[ada]

I strongly disagree! The Bible and the Bible alone is the Word of God.

Anything added to the Bible or any omissions from the Bible are serious distortions intended to mislead.

Sure i know what you mean. But you cannot limit God's Word and Spirit on the written scripture alone.
This is wrong also. Many of us has adopted a liberal relativistic point of view to replace an absolute truth
and the lie.
Therefore many claim that scripture is rather exegesis and each one is reading the bible in a different way.
This is the problem.We are not focused on a truth of the self instead of absolutes.

There is a main truth an a main lie.
Both correlates with Jesus Christ as the absolute truth and the absolute lie for those who opposes him.

2.Thessalonians 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The Truth vs. the Lie

 

[Katy-follower]

many claim that scripture is rather exegesis and each one is reading the bible in a different way.

1 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit"

So - a person that doesn't have the Holy Spirit in them will interpret the bible very differently and very incorrectly. This is why there are so many interpretations out there right now. To the non saved person, the bible is read like a regular book and the spiritual messages are not clear. It doesn't matter how intelligent the person is or how long they've studied the bible for - if you don't have the Holy Spirit in you then you cannot accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. Once a person has the light in them, they understand the spiritual message in the way it was intended, because the Holy Spirit guides us and has opened our eyes to the truth.

 

[ada]

1 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit"

So - a person that doesn't have the Holy Spirit in them will interpret the bible very differently and very incorrectly. This is why there are so many interpretations out there right now. To the non saved person, the bible is read like a regular book and the spiritual messages are not clear. It doesn't matter how intelligent the person is or how long they've studied the bible for - if you don't have the Holy Spirit in you then you cannot accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. Once a person has the light in them, they understand the spiritual message in the way it was intended, because the Holy Spirit guides us and has opened our eyes to the truth.

I agree especially the reason why there are so many bible versions.
My KJV says it slightly different:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Is states in the first sentence that a natural man can not receive the Spirit of God.
There is an emphasis on the term natural man.

 

[Loved]

GOD Bless everyone

Enjoy you day with the LORD or your religion

But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD

I am out of this thread,
Nohwoter

 

[zone]

see those doors in the middle with the cross on it, its called the holy of holies back there, thats where only the priest may enter and make our requests unto God and forgive us for our sins, that isnt biblical in the slightest according to the Word of God but only by the traditions of man. Nowhere did the early church have this outline given in conducting church,
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mixing old wine with new

wow. mmm.....

that female figure in the background is this one:

So how is Blessed Mother being the Ark of the New Covenant significant for us? The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "Mary, in whom the Lord himself has just made his dwelling, is the daughter of Zion in person, the Ark of the Covenant, the place where the glory of the Lord dwells. She is ‘the dwelling of God . . . with men’" (CCC 2676). She's not an accidental teenager picked out of random to bear Jesus. She was in God's plan from the very beginning to point us to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Where we find Blessed Mother, we find her son. And Mother Teresa told her sisters, "With Mary, we make more progress in the love of Jesus in one month than we make in years while living less united to this good Mother."

Homilies of Father Paul Yi: Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant: Ascension Sunday - May 24, 2009

 

[zone]

queen of heaven i reckon?

Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:19
And the women said, “When we made offerings to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands’ approval that we made cakes for her bearing her image and poured out drink offerings to her?”

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44:15-19 These daring sinners do not attempt excuses, but declare they will do that which is forbidden.....To mingle idolatry with Divine worship, and to reject the mediation of Christ, are provoking to God, and ruinous to men. All who worship images, or honour saints, and angels, and the queen of heaven, should recollect what came from the idolatrous practices of the Jews.
M. Henry

 

[ada]

queen of heaven i reckon?

Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:19
And the women said, “When we made offerings to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands’ approval that we made cakes for her bearing her image and poured out drink offerings to her?”

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44:15-19 These daring sinners do not attempt excuses, but declare they will do that which is forbidden.....To mingle idolatry with Divine worship, and to reject the mediation of Christ, are provoking to God, and ruinous to men. All who worship images, or honour saints, and angels, and the queen of heaven, should recollect what came from the idolatrous practices of the Jews.
M. Henry

Dear Zone, is the Queen of Heaven not a gnostic,kabbalistic term? I know wiki tells a different story.The queen of heaven seems to be a fertility goddess often also named in context with Diana, Artemis, Cybele, and Isis, feminizing God's entity?
http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/alphabet-of-kabbalah/752-kuf.html

 

[zone]

she's got a zillion names.
ashteroth, astarte, isis....sigh.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

she's got a zillion names.
ashteroth, astarte, isis....sigh.

lets not forget the modern name, Given by those who call itself the church. The biggest blasphemy of them all (at least when it comes to the queen) The name Mary.

 

[NiceneChristian]

see those doors in the middle with the cross on it, its called the holy of holies back there, thats where only the priest may enter and make our requests unto God and forgive us for our sins, that isnt biblical in the slightest according to the Word of God but only by the traditions of man. Nowhere did the early church have this outline given in conducting church,
,
mixing old wine with new

That's not true. It is not just where the priests asks for forgivness of our sins. It is where the priest offers the sacrifice of praise to God in the Holy Eucharist (it means THANKSGIVING in greek) "on behalf of all and for all", that is what the priest says in the Divine Liturgy, "Your own of your own, we offer unto you these gifts (Holy Communion) from your own gifts on behalf of all and for all" . The Eucharist is just another word for Holy Communion, the body and blood of Christ. The priest is there to make holy offerings unto God in thanksgiving, for upholding of the universe, and for the healing of the souls and bodies of all the people. It is the grace of Christ in action, it is the sacrifice of Christ in person and in spirit. It is a thanksgiving for all that God gives us, for His holiness and goodness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's not true. It is not just where the priests asks for forgivness of our sins. It is where the priest offers the sacrifice of praise to God in the Holy Eucharist (it means THANKSGIVING in greek) "on behalf of all and for all", that is what the priest says in the Divine Liturgy, "Your own of your own, we offer unto you these gifts (Holy Communion) from your own gifts on behalf of all and for all" . The Eucharist is just another word for Holy Communion, the body and blood of Christ. The priest is there to make holy offerings unto God in thanksgiving, for upholding of the universe, and for the healing of the souls and bodies of all the people. It is the grace of Christ in action, it is the sacrifice of Christ in person and in spirit. It is a thanksgiving for all that God gives us, for His holiness and goodness.

Your forget, again by listening to men, and not studying the word of God. The veil between the inner and outer sanctuary was torn in two. There are no more holy of holys. or inner sanctum where a priest has to enter to do anything.

Scripture calls our body the temple. It calls Christ, sitting at the right hand of God the mediator. And his death the payment for all sin.

Yet again pharisee and pagan ritual dragged into that which calls itself the church, and said to be in the name of God.

 

[ada]

It is a blatant hypocrisy to blame the Christian Church for icons when the secular world if full of moving pictures that represent the modern antichrist!

Who are the forces that have a vital and fundamental, theocratic interest to destroy the early Christian Church from day one and twist and blame their own committed atrocities to the Church to destroy Christian culture and devotion? It is pharisaic talmudic judaism and no one else!

 

[NiceneChristian]

Your forget, again by listening to men, and not studying the word of God. The veil between the inner and outer sanctuary was torn in two. There are no more holy of holys. or inner sanctum where a priest has to enter to do anything.

Scripture calls our body the temple. It calls Christ, sitting at the right hand of God the mediator. And his death the payment for all sin.

Yet again pharisee and pagan ritual dragged into that which calls itself the church, and said to be in the name of God.

You don't believe in the sanctity of the body (that the body is the temple of the HS) because you don't believe in water baptism. But it is through water baptism that our bodies are made temples of the Holy Spirit. Your own doctrine contradicts itself, for you don't believe in water baptism when the Scripture and Jesus clearly says to be baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit (in your body).

 

[mpaper345]

Christ founded an infallible Church. He didn't base it "on the Bible alone". True Christianity is based on the Church, the "pillar and ground of the truth". The Bible is not the Pillar and Ground of the Truth. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church IS the Pillar and Ground of the Truth (1 Timothy 3:15). True Christianity is not Biblical: It is Trinitarian (of the Holy Trinity alone) and Ecclesiatical (in, of, with, by, and for the Church alone). In Erie PA USA God bless America. God bless the Orthodox Church. Not necessarily in that order. Scott R. Harrington October 16/29, 2011 AD

This does not make sense,for it is the Bible that we learn of the truth,and is God's words that is the truth,and not man's words.

The only weay we know of the truth and the Church is by the word of God,the Bible.

Without the Bible can we learn of the truth and the Bible.We cannot.

The Bible says hear the word of God with all readiness of mind,eager to have the truth,and then search the scriptures daily,the Bible,to see if it is the truth,placing great emphasis on the word of God.

Without the Bible we would not know the truth,nor would God expect us to believe anything,if we did not have something to back it up with.

If we did not have the Bible God would not expect us to believe the truth without something to back up the truth if people speak it.

God did not give people the truth,and then say spread that truth,without written words,for then how could people be expected to believe it without written words to back it up.

God said in the Old Testament to all religions and people,prove that your religion is true by showing the end from the beginning,which God told us in the Bible the whole history of mankind,things to come,by written words in a book.

Jesus said if people do not believe the Bible,then they would not believe the truth,even if one rose from the dead and told them,giving emphasis of the importance of the word of God,and that it is needed.

Without the Bible God would not expect us to accept the truth if someone told us the truth from God,but no words written to back it up,for how could we believe it if we did not have the Bible that telll us the truth.

In the Old Testament it says many times,thy word is truth,thy word is a lamp on to my feet.

The New Testament plainly says,that it is the holy scriptures that is able to save us.It is flat out telling us that it is the scriptures that saves us,for only by the scriptures can we know the truth,for God will not show us a visible manifestation,which Jesus said blessed is he that has not seen God but still believes.

Only by the scriptures can we know the truth,for God will not show us a bodily manifestation to prove the truth,and we would not know about Jesus or the Church without the scriptures,nor would God expect us to believe the truth if He did not tell us the truth by written words.

The Bible says study the word of God to show yourself worthy before God,approved by God,a workman that needs not to be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth,putting emphasis on the word of God.

The Bible says that the word of God is given for our profitability,to learn the truth,to learn righteousness,to learn doctrine,to reprove others to correct them in falsehood,that the man of God can be perfect,furnished unto all good works.

The truth is it is about the Bible and it's words that are God's words,for God will not deal with us in any other way,like showing us a visible manifestation of Himself to prove the truth,for it is based on faith,and we would not know the truth about Jesus or the Church without the Bible,and God would not expect us to believe what anybody says without having a written word to back it up,which God backed it up by showing us the whole history of mankind proving He is the true God.

So it is all about the written word that starts everything,from us believing the truth,to us believing in Jesus,to us doing right by learning of God's ways,that gives us salvation,and without the word of God that are God's words,His truth,we would not ever know the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You don't believe in the sanctity of the body (that the body is the temple of the HS) because you don't believe in water baptism. But it is through water baptism that our bodies are made temples of the Holy Spirit. Your own doctrine contradicts itself, for you don't believe in water baptism when the Scripture and Jesus clearly says to be baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit (in your body).

Wrong again. Scripture tells me I am washed, I am sanctified and I am justified by the SPIRIT OF OUR GOD. Not by being immersed in water.

The HS can not enter us until we are washed. He must wash us before he can enter us. Water baptism will not wash us. it gets us wet.

Scripture also tells me I am born again (regenerated) by the washing and regeneration (new life given) of the HS, not by some priest baptising me in water.

Jesus never said to be baptized to receive the HS, where do you get this? By twisting scripture again?

Why do you want to replace the work of God, which washed us by water (the word) through the HS, with the work of man getting us wet? Do you not know God calls that blasphemy of the spirit??

 

[iamsoandso]

no,,,,,the statue is of the greek godess "athenia",,,,see the "mutible breast",,that is in reference to "she can nurture many",,,,,the god of fertility,,,,,,see also the "bulls" she is said to be the daughter of "zeus" according to myth she was born/came out of the mouth of "zues",her mother as myth follows had a proficy,,,,,,,,,,,'her children were greater than the father",,,,,,,so in the moment of conception "zues,,,,her father pulled himself from the mother",,to put it nice,,, and "athenia,,,,,, then burst upward out of his head in full battle dress",,,,,she is the goddess of weaving,supply,fertility ect.
see also the "religion of the vikings" they also borrowed from this ,,,,their religion used "many gods" in about 1230 a.d. they combined christianity/viking mytholigy together,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"yule-tide" was the holiday/christmas to the vikings and also "nilles" or "nicholas",,,,,,,,,,,,,,then it was brought over to the "new world",,,,,,,,,,,,,its easy to argue with but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not if you recarch the things i spoke of,i.e.,,,,,,,,,,,,,"religion vikings",,,,,,,,,"athenia"ect.