TRUE GRACE MEANS YOU SIN NO MORE

[cookie39]

The Grace of God, the reason God said that the law had nothing to do with him giving grace for man to be saved; is Because the law didn't come till four hundred (400+) years later......... so how can God say to someone do this or that or obey my law so you can be saved when there was NO LAW GIVING!!! So this is what the Lord God is saying how salvation is by grace. Now, we need to learn how to receive the salvation God is offering through grace. God is saying, When I decided to save mankind it was not based on what they had to do....why? because they didn't know what I wanted them to do YET. So, because I have MADE A WAY for them to not be ETERNALLY LOST, witout OWING THEM ANYTHING, CAUSE THEY DID NOT GIVE ANYTHING, NOT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GIVE IT, but because, THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE ANY MAN CAN DO ANYTHING TO TAKE AWAY WHAT ADAM DID TO THEM. THE LAW I GAVE ADAM WHEN HE BROKE IT; HE MESSED IT UP FOR ALL HIS SEED. It was not Moses law we are being redeemed from, it was Adams law. The LAW of SIN and DEATH.
Which caused all man to spiritually die............ remember, Moses law did not cause no man to loose their souls/spiritually die......... ALL WAS ALREADY DEAD!!, BEFORE MOSES LAW EVEN CAME....... THEY DIED THROUGH THE FIRST MAN ADAM, Moses Law was not for salvation................

But there was a process in Moses' law that would be used to forgive sins, Yet, it could not make man whole again... perfect, or save their souls/spirits... which forgiveness can do, but even though they were forgiven, they kept on sinning the same sins, which voided the first act of forgiveness... the Law of sacrifices ( Hebrews 9-10-11) So what God done, as He planed to do from the beginning ( when Adam sinned) was, without owing it to man he was going to give them a PROCESS to be saved: with the first part of it done already ( Jesus being the Priest, The Alter, the Lampstand/Light, The Oil/anointing, The Gate of the Temple, the Horns, the Curtain that leads to the Holy of Holies, HE WAS AND IS THE WHOLE SANCTUARY, EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THE SANCTUARY AND EVERYTHING IT WAS MADE OF:JESUS CHRIST IS, HE HAS FULFILLED THIS PART OF THE LAW........... using the old testament sacrificial law, and token of covenant: THE BLOOD, this was done to show us the way things are going to be THROUGH THE LAW OF FAITH.... So Grace...... is the way God brought through a perfect way to save souls.......... REMEMBER THE BIBLE SAY.... WHERE THERE IS NO LAW, THERE IS NO SIN, SO IF GOD SAID NO MORE LAW, THEN YOUR SINS ARE NO LONGER SINS, THEN IF YOU LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, COMMIT IDOLATRY, ect........ God can not say No man has sinned, but we have to see the big plan of God, He gave us a law, but it is one he said He will help us to fullfill, with understanding of the nature of the flesh, giving us the Holy Spirit through the shed Blood of Christ Jesus, and ALLLLLLLLL the works he has done,,,,,,

God, has giving a law, the law of faith. yet through grace in which this law came, Man was going to STOP SINNING THE SAME SINS, NOT COMING BACK EVERY YEAR FOR THE SAME SINS TO REPENT OF............ THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING FROM THE INSIDE OUT, CHANGING THE HEART AND MINDS, PURGING US, CLEANSING US, PREPARING US FOR THE WORLD TO COME. there is so much more....... THE GRACE OF GOD IS NOT A EASY WAY THROUGH A DOOR AND ONCE YOU STEP THROUGH THE DOOR SALVATION IS HANDED TO YOU............ GRACE IS THE DOOR THAT WAS OPENED WITHOUT YOU TOUCHING THE KNOB, BUT ONCE INSIDE THERE IS MUCH TO DO, YET YOU ARE GIVING A GUIDE TO HELP YOU MAKE IT TO THE DOOR THAT LET YOU OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE......WHICH IS SALVATION. God Bless........

 

[Beloved57]

Not sure I understand what you are saying here?

 

[simplyme_bekah]

No that is wrong. You are a sinner until you die and go home to heaven. You fall on your butt on a daily basis. What you are trying to say is that Jesus forgives us our every sin because we are his children. To think that we do not sin and need to ask for his forgiveness borders on arrogance and it is wrong. We are human beings in a dark and fallen world. We are saved by his grace and forgiven for our sins by his grace.

 

[tribesman]

... THE GRACE OF GOD IS NOT A EASY WAY THROUGH A DOOR AND ONCE YOU STEP THROUGH THE DOOR SALVATION IS HANDED TO YOU............ GRACE IS THE DOOR THAT WAS OPENED WITHOUT YOU TOUCHING THE KNOB, BUT ONCE INSIDE THERE IS MUCH TO DO, YET YOU ARE GIVING A GUIDE TO HELP YOU MAKE IT TO THE DOOR THAT LET YOU OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE......WHICH IS SALVATION. God Bless........

Are you really sure that you are absolutely sin-free and that you have done that "much to do" as you say is required for salvation? If so how?

Just the fact that you, being woman, are here in effect teaching men (and teaching them heresy to that) doesn't really look promising.

1Tim.2

[9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[tribesman]

No that is wrong. You are a sinner until you die and go home to heaven. You fall on your butt on a daily basis. What you are trying to say is that Jesus forgives us our every sin because we are his children. To think that we do not sin and need to ask for his forgiveness borders on arrogance and it is wrong. We are human beings in a dark and fallen world. We are saved by his grace and forgiven for our sins by his grace.

Most of these "sin-free" people only view sin as an external matter. As long as they don't do all the bads that man may see with the naked eye they are wholly sin-free, they think. And of course, teaching error and heresy, as they do, is no sin - for them. They are so puffed up in their self righteous pride that they cannot even notice it.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

1 John 8

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.


that is why the mercy of God is so great, and the sacrifice of Jesus too. It was done knowing we would sin, repent, and sin again.

 

[cookie39]

Are you really sure that you are absolutely sin-free and that you have done that "much to do" as you say is required for salvation? If so how?

Just the fact that you, being woman, are here in effect teaching men (and teaching them heresy to that) doesn't really look promising.

first of all, you are very wrong, these verses you posted dose not speak of women TEACHING men..... it is about A HUSBAND TEACHING HIS WIFE AT HOME, HER WAITING TO TILL SHE IS AT HOME TO """"ASK"" HER HUSBAND WHAT WAS SAID IN THE CHURCH......... please read the scriptures in there full context, before you go repeating man's interpretation of God's Word.

And second... God back and reread what I said, in the Spirit and not your flesh.......... there was not one thing I said that even indicated that I said I or no one else was without sin......... I can't even see how you got that out of what was said..............

And third, READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF!!!!! if you knew the Word of God then you should have known what the Lord said about the true Grace of God and how it is set to save people............ until you have read the Word of God for yourself, and not running off what others said............. you need not to respond to things you know nothing about.

you have spoken truly out of your flesh............. ask God to show you the truth according to His Word and not man's.

 

[cookie39]

1 John 8

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.


that is why the mercy of God is so great, and the sacrifice of Jesus too. It was done knowing we would sin, repent, and sin again.

I guess you did not read what was posted either, cause nothing I said has nothing to do with your comment... please if you want to say something go off what I said with your own understanding as God has given it to you and not what another said I said.... thank you

 

[cookie39]

No that is wrong. You are a sinner until you die and go home to heaven. You fall on your butt on a daily basis. What you are trying to say is that Jesus forgives us our every sin because we are his children. To think that we do not sin and need to ask for his forgiveness borders on arrogance and it is wrong. We are human beings in a dark and fallen world. We are saved by his grace and forgiven for our sins by his grace.

there is no where in the bible that say you will be a sinner till you die..................

Ephesians 2
King James Version (KJV)
2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


THIS IS THE MOST WRONGLY USED SCRIPTURE THERE IS IN THE WHOLE BIBLE................... THE REASON THAT GRACE, IS NOT OF WORKS............ BECAUSE... THERE WAS NO, NONE, ZILCH...ZERO.... WORKS GIVING TO DO............. THERE WAS NO LAW GIVING AT THE TIME GRACE WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY GOD......... THIS IS WHY IT IS A GIFT TO HAVE A WAY/PROCESS TO BE SAVED.............. THE BIBLE SAY WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH............... BUT WHAT MAKES FAITH ..FAITH? WORKS DO..... FAITH IS MADE PERFECT IN WORKS......... WITHOUT WORKS THERE IS NO FAITH............ OF YOU HAVE NO FAITH, THEN GRACE DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU...... YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST, WITHOUT THE HOLY GHOST, YO HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU, WITHOUT LIFE IN YOU, YOU ARE DEAD IN YOUR SINS.................... THOSE WHO HAVE THE HOLY GHOST AND ARE GOD'S CHILDREN, THE LORD WILL MAKE SURE YOU WILL NOT WANT TO SIN NO MORE, AND IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO IT CAUSE """"GOD IS HELPING YOU TO STOP THROUGH HIS PROMISE WHICH IS IN THE WORKING OF HIS GRACE"""" THEN YOU WILL NOT SIN OVER AND OVER THE SAME SINS EVERY YEAR............ READ HEBREWS, ROMANS AND GALATIANS.... PLEASE........... AND DO IT IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND NOT OF MAN/YOURSELF.... OR YOU WILL ONLY SEE WHAT YOUR FLESH ALLOWS YOU TO SEE... AND THE spirit of the devil who have you blinded to the truth.......................

one reason this is true and is seen in this post, because none of you even seen what was said in the original post, like what eyes were you reading through,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing I said had nothing to do with any of your responses........... may God help you to open your eyes to His truths.

 

[cookie39]

1 John 8

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.


that is why the mercy of God is so great, and the sacrifice of Jesus too. It was done knowing we would sin, repent, and sin again.

that verse you posted does not have anything to do with a person who have already came to Jesus for salvation.... it is talking about someone who does not think they need a savior, because they don't think they ever did anything wrong to go to hell for...... they are without sin, but for those who have came to Jesus has already admitted they are sinners, and is in need of a savior who can help them stop sinning......

please ask the Holy Ghost to lead and guide you into all truths.......... God has already promised He will do just that............. take Him at His Holy Word, it will truly bless you...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that verse you posted does not have anything to do with a person who have already came to Jesus for salvation.... it is talking about someone who does not think they need a savior, because they don't think they ever did anything wrong to go to hell for...... they are without sin, but for those who have came to Jesus has already admitted they are sinners, and is in need of a savior who can help them stop sinning......

please ask the Holy Ghost to lead and guide you into all truths.......... God has already promised He will do just that............. take Him at His Holy Word, it will truly bless you...

1. John was speaking to Christians.
2. John included himself, (If we say we have no sin)
3. He was speaking present tense, not past tense.

If we could be sinless, we would no longer need grace, we need grace because we can not be sinless.

 

[cookie39]

Not sure I understand what you are saying here?

what I am saying here, is that many people have come to believe that once they say a few words and after that they are there, and there is nothing else God requires of them............ yet the Grace of God is just the God given way to enter a process that will save us.

it is like saying, You want to give your children an allowance every week..... now you never gave them chores before to do, so it will not be because they did something to make you WANT to give them money ( grace) ...... now that you have decided you will give them an allowance, which was a whole year before you even told them what you wanted to do (grace): you call them to tell them that by grace "" you have decided to give them an allowance""...... you tell them that the only reason you want to give them this gift, is only because you love them.

But, in order to get the allowance they will be given things to do.... and at the end of the time you appointed if they do all you asked they will receive the gift of an allowance.

now some may ask, if I have to work to get it then it is no more a gift..... yes, it is still a gift, because it was only you without them doing anything MADE THE WAY for them to receive money...................... grace is not just what was giving......... GRACE IS THE WAY MADE TO GET IT!!

The way to receive it was your doing alone, your children never did anything for you that you HAD to MAKE a way to give them anything................ they can't say well dad we was doing most of that anyway so you should give it to us anyway........... they can't say that we tried that and you know we can't do it all, so you have to make a way that will be easy for us...........


GOD NEVER MADE A LAW IN THE OLD TESTAMENT WHEREBY ANY MAN COULD BE SAVED...... EXCEPT THE LAW THAT WAS GIVEN TO ADAM , WHICH CAUSED ALL MAN TO DIE.............

WE WERE NOT REDEEMED FROM THE LAW OF MOSES, WE ARE REDEEMED FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH WHICH ONLY CAME BY ADAM............ AND THE LAW OF MOSES WAS ONLY GIVEN SO MAN CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT GOD SAY IS SIN.... WHAT IS AGAINST HIM, WHEN THAT LAW CAME MEN CAN NOW SEE WHY GOD SAID THEY ARE DEAD AND DESTINED FOR HELL............. IT WAS NOT TO SAVED THEIR SOULS, BUT TO SHOW MANKIND WHAT THEY NEEDED A SAVIOR FOR............ THE LAW OF MOSES OPENED OUR EYES TO HOW WE WAS ALREADY DEAD.... WE SEE OURSELVES IN WHAT GOD CALLS EVIL, AND HE WILL NOT ALLOW INTO HIS KINGDOM....... MAN WAS ALREADY SINNING THE SINS THAT WAS IN THE LAW OF MOSES... THE WHOLE WORLD.... SO WHEN YOU READ THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND THE MORAL PARTS OF THE LAW AND YOU SEE YOU HAVE COMMITTED ONE OR MORE OF THOSE TRANSGRESSION... GOD IS SAYING.... SEE i TOLD YOU YOU WERE DEAD, THIS IS SIN AND YOU HAVE DONE THIS OR THAT AGAINST ME BECAUSE YOU ARE PART OF ADAM'S SEED, AND WAS BORN INTO SLAVERY............ YET i HAVE MADE A WAY TO SAVE YOU THAT YOU NO LONGER WILL BE UNDER THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH..... THAT AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF CLEANSING..... BECAUSE ALL THESE SINS ARE PRESENT IN YOU, IF THEY WERE TO MANIFEST, i WILL FORGIVE YOU AS YOU REPENT/CONFESS IT TO ME, I WILL HELP YOU TIO NOT WANT TO SIN AGAIN THAT SAME THING AND WE WILL KEEP GOING TILL I , GOD HAVE MADE YOU PERFECT AS I AM PERFECT..... BECAUSE YOU COME TO ME AND ENTERED INTO A COVENANT WITH ME, I WILL DO ALL THESE THINGS I PROMISED YOU, IT WILL NOT BE EASY, IF YOU DECIDE TO LEAVE AND CHOOSE NOT TO CONTINUE, IT WILL NOT BE WELL WITH YOU FOR THERE WILL BE NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR YOU............ BUT IF YOU ENDURE TILL THE END OF THIS PROCESS, TRUSTING AND BELIEVING THAT WHAT I HAVE STARTED AS I PROMISED I WILL FINISH THEN YOU WILL BE SAVED.
HOPE I EXPLAINED IT BETTER THIS TIME..... BUT THE BIBLE CAN DO IT BETTER THAN ME..... ALL THIS IS IN THE BOOK OF ROMANS, HEBREWS AND GALATIANS.. YOU HAVE TO READ THEM TOGETHER..... IT'S LIKE PUTTING IN THE PIECES.... WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT HELPING TO SHOW YOU WHAT GOES WITH WHAT........... GOD BLESS YOU..

 

[loveme1]

Grace gives us the desire not to sin anymore....

Forgive me if I fall short of perfect, my heart and soul desires to be without sin strengthen me always.

Our heart and soul changes, full of love and security we strive for perfection to Glorify our Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

Keep our eyes on pleasing our Heavenly Father always, he will keep us close and safe.

All he ever asked for was a loving obedience.

Worthy that every one should bow down in praise and admiration for eternity...

He is wonderful, Loving, Merciful, Righteous... my words do not even come close in praise, may my heart speak louder by my loving obedience.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I guess you did not read what was posted either, cause nothing I said has nothing to do with your comment... please if you want to say something go off what I said with your own understanding as God has given it to you and not what another said I said.... thank you

your topic is true grace means we sin no more, so it is indeed relevant to what you said.

Peter sinned three times in a day denying Jesus... didn't he? and He definitnely knew Jesus and had earlier repented.

 

[Crossfire]

Unfortunately, many in the church today have an unhealthy view of God's grace. On one side you those who believe that, because God's grace is indeed unmerited and unearned favor toward the believer, a person can continue on living selfishly with little regard for the things of God and the lives of others. On the other hand, you have those who believe that because we are recipients of God's grace thus, since we have been forgiven of our sins, we should do everything within our power to avoid sin and selfishness. So who exactly is right and who is wrong?

The thing that we need to understand about God's grace is that, while it is unmerited and unearned, it also possesses the power to help us break free from selfish and sinful tendencies which so easily beset us. God's grace is simply God's love and favor poured out upon a believers life. If a person is truly saved, that love will begin to penetrate the deepest and darkest recesses of the believer's heart, empowering that person to both love and forgive their enemies just as God loves and forgives them.

God's grace is also the means in which God wins our hearts. To the true believer, no one or nothing should be more valuable to them than their relationship with their God. Such love is divine empowerment to walk away from the cares and the desires of this world. If we have truly been transformed by grace, then worldly things should not capture our attention much less our affections.

Lastly, God's grace is loving kindness, the hand which picks us up when we fall. Because of bad doctrines being taught in our churches, few today truly understand the power of God's grace to transform a life thus they often find themselves stumbling into things that they probably shouldn't. Does that mean that God loves them any less? Certainly not! It simply means that God's grace abounds even more toward those who truly love God yet are immature in the faith for whatever reason.

In ending, the thing that saddens me most is that churches who tend to profess to be experts in the area of God's grace are usually some of the most critical and judgmental toward those who do not embrace their point. In doing so, they are proving just how little they truly know and have experienced the grace of God for themselves, for if they had they would not be so harsh toward those who do would disagree with them. Such a shame!

ANYWAYS - May God grace always shine in you and through you!

 

[Red33]

We get grace because God gives us freely what we do not deserve. He gave us His Son didn't He? He can do that because He took away what we did deserve through His mercy. Think on that one. Selah

 

[Jewliah]

I guess you did not read what was posted either, cause nothing I said has nothing to do with your comment... please if you want to say something go off what I said with your own understanding as God has given it to you and not what another said I said.... thank you

The title of this thread is what is throwing people off.
TRUE GRACE MEANS YOU SIN NO MORE

 

[Red33]

TRUE GRACE MEANS THAT GOD IMPUTES SINS NO MORE

 

[Crossfire]

TRUE GRACE MEANS THAT GOD IMPUTES SINS NO MORE

Red, if God ignores sin as you suggest then why does sin grieve the indwelling Holy Spirit so much? Any idea? Because His grace has the power to deliver one from sin & selfishness thus when a person chooses to return to the vomit that God has given them power over through His Spirit, you better believe that it grieves Him. It grieves Him Just as it would upset a loving mother who has spent weeks, possibly months to potty train her child only for that child to choose not to use the potty out of rebellion.

Read 2 Peter 1. He has given us all we need to accomplish the task at hand. All we need to is believe and apply it.

 

[Red33]

Red, if God ignores sin as you suggest then why does sin grieve the indwelling Holy Spirit so much? Any idea? Because His grace has the power to deliver one from sin & selfishness thus when a person chooses to return to the vomit that God has given them power over through His Spirit, you better believe that it grieves Him. It grieves Him Just as it would upset a loving mother who has spent weeks, possibly months to potty train her child only for that child to choose not to use the potty out of rebellion.

Read 2 Peter 1. He has given us all we need to accomplish the task at hand. All we need to is believe and apply it.

The Holy Spirit is grieved because the sin broke fellowship and communion, but God did not impute the sin or any sin to our account because it was laid upon Christ on the cross and paid for, put away and buried through the shed blood. There is no double jeopardy for the believer. You fail to see that we, as believers, who have been regenerated and born anew are not our sin. That does not give us permission or liberty to live in sin. If we follow sin in any way our Father will have to chasten us through His own choice of discipline to bring us back to yield a peaceable fruit of righteousness.

To accomplish that it is going to take conviction and lots of mercy and grace through a plan and you can count on God being faithful to that plan. We are not our own for we have been purchased by His blood and by that same blood we have been justified completely. We must learn to grow up in grace and knowledge of Christ and to put away these sins that beset us and throw us off course. God has a way in making that happen in the believer's life even when the believer may feel isolated at times and think that God had forsaken them.