Trump, on tape, presses Ga. official to ‘find’ Trump votes

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Temple-C said:
of a free and fair election.
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The 2020 election in Belarus was more free & fair than the US one.
 
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posthuman said:
The truth is that an awful lot of people voted for Mr Trump because they thought Clinton was evil, not because they particularly wanted Trump to be in power. Similarly a very large number of people came out to vote for Biden because they consider Trump to be evil.

Americans very rarely vote "for" anyone. Even the Trump support is largely based on perceiving him as a lesser evil rather than someone desirable for leadership.
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sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
 
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gb9 said:
sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
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it certainly would be one for the history books. 'ch. 37: the fall of democracy and rise of dictatorship in the USA'
 
gb9 said:
sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
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I think you and I have an understanding of respect for each other. So I don't mean this to sound nasty, but think about that statement. If the election isn't a fair one, and it's overturned, you're saying Dems are going to tear the country apart, again. 73 million Trump voters will go in to 2021, just like they did when Obama got elected for the second time, upset, angry, trusting the voting system even less but peacefully. No one looted, no one burned any business, no one beat people in the street, no one boarded up windows afraid that Obama would win another term. Again, who are the crazy ones? Seems a pretty easy call to me.
 
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gb9 said:
sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
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I tend to think more along the lines of what will happen if the power grab of the left actually works out for them

Were you not here for the summer of love? And remember, that was love. o_O:cautious:

I know I think about what will happen if the truth prevails. I have no reason to think I am the only one.
 
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gb9 said:
sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
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Oh I've thought about it. I'm not a "Trumper", but riots, destruction and even secession is preferable than allowing the massive voter fraud, and the cheating that took place in this election.
 
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kaylagrl said:
I think you and I have an understanding of respect for each other. So I don't mean this to sound nasty, but think about that statement. If the election isn't a fair one, and it's overturned, you're saying Dems are going to tear the country apart, again. 73 million Trump voters will go in to 2021, just like they did when Obama got elected for the second time, upset, angry, trusting the voting system even less but peacefully. No one looted, no one burned any business, no one beat people in the street, no one boarded up windows afraid that Obama would win another term. Again, who are the crazy ones? Seems a pretty easy call to me.
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oh, i agree.

but, you have got folks calling for trump's arrest because of the phone call.


those unhinged dems are crazy...
 
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"Had someone said this during George Floyd's protest, it would have been seen as a bad thing. But its preferable now. This is very interesting."


Several groups were at the capitol. I know someone who was there. Maybe instead of jumping, like everyone did with the young man from Ky (Sandman) and the Native Indian, lets wait for some facts. Let's try that for once.
 
gb9 said:
sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
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I think they are blinded by selfishness/lust rather than the love of humanity. The blindness of their heart make them believe it is for love of country. Far from it. It is a shame that we Christians are deeply involved in this. God's name must not and should not be taken in vain.
 
Temple-C said:
The phone call with Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Saturday was the latest step in an unprecedented effort by a sitting president to pressure a state official to reverse the outcome of a free and fair election that he lost. The president, who has refused to accept his loss to Democratic president-elect Biden, repeatedly argued that Raffensperger could change the certified result.

https://apnews.com/article/election...ia-elections-a7b4aa4d8ce3bf52301ddbe620c6bff6
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Did you actually listen to the whole thing?

First off so you really think the president doesn't know he's being recorded? He's talking to a lawyer and the secretary of state.
Nothing in that call was wrong. I'm sure Trump had a lawyer and probably 5 people there with him. They would have shut him up if it was bad.

To me listening it sounded like a father scolding his son. " you know that didn't happen, I know that didn't happen, the people know" etc. I'm giving you this chance to make things right before the next election. Otherwise you're going to be caught for what you did.

This is how I would talk to my child if they did something wrong. I think he was giving him an opportunity to correct his ways and hoping it would correct the next election which didn't happen. I also think he wanted the people to know he was trying to help secure the election so releasing that tape was to his advantage.
 
Speaking of polling. The trump campaign's internal polling showed him losing both Arizona and Georgia.
 
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Temple-C said:
The phone call with Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Saturday was the latest step in an unprecedented effort by a sitting president to pressure a state official to reverse the outcome of a free and fair election that he lost. The president, who has refused to accept his loss to Democratic president-elect Biden, repeatedly argued that Raffensperger could change the certified result.

https://apnews.com/article/election...ia-elections-a7b4aa4d8ce3bf52301ddbe620c6bff6
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Yrs the democrats do this also
 
gb9 said:
sometimes, i wonder if all the trumpers that are hoping that the election gets overturned ever think about what would happen if that actually happened.

the rioting and destruction that would ensue would make the george floyd stuff look like a church picnic,,,
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What do you think of the rioting now GB?
 
blueluna5 said:
Did you actually listen to the whole thing?

First off so you really think the president doesn't know he's being recorded? He's talking to a lawyer and the secretary of state.
Nothing in that call was wrong. I'm sure Trump had a lawyer and probably 5 people there with him. They would have shut him up if it was bad.

To me listening it sounded like a father scolding his son. " you know that didn't happen, I know that didn't happen, the people know" etc. I'm giving you this chance to make things right before the next election. Otherwise you're going to be caught for what you did.

This is how I would talk to my child if they did something wrong. I think he was giving him an opportunity to correct his ways and hoping it would correct the next election which didn't happen. I also think he wanted the people to know he was trying to help secure the election so releasing that tape was to his advantage.
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Those weren't my words. It was from the article that I posted. I posted this for information and discussion. I did not include my opinion I was just interested in the discussion.
 
KT88 said:
The Dec 6 riot/insurrection.
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that was not a riot, that was a disturbance. look at videos of what actually happened , the cops let them in, and were taking pictures with them on the inside of the capital.

now, the b l m riots here in america over the summer , those were riots.
 
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