Ukraine the bad guy?

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ZNP

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Yes there is a lot of misinformation in wartime, but what I think is relatively true is that Russia emptied their prisons and used up old equipment in the first two years of this war while Ukraine lost all their young men. The average age for the Ukraine military is in their 40s meaning half of their soldiers are in their 50s and 60s.
 

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Rand Paul taught me something new... We're subsidizing small business in Ukraine. Let's take a look at the 60 minutes episode he is talking about.


at the 2min mark.... "JOHN McCAIN STREET IN KYIV". They literally NAMED A STREET AFTER HIM!?!? That can't be real.

let's see...
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ZNP

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CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ne-waged-shadow-war-last-decade-bombshell-nyt

On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.

Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today."

This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian borderwork which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory.
 

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CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ne-waged-shadow-war-last-decade-bombshell-nyt

On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.

Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today."

This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian borderwork which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory.
A stunning admission: "Tiptoeing Around Trump"

Among the most interesting and curious moments of the NYT report is a description of the CIA program's expanse under the Trump administration. The report suggests that the true scope may have even been hidden from Trump. The Russian hawks in his administration quietly did the 'dirty work', we are told:

The election of Trump in November 2016 put the Ukrainians and their CIA partners on edge.
Trump praised Putin and dismissed Russia’s role in election interference. He was suspicious of Ukraine and later tried to pressure its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, to investigate his Democratic rival, Biden, resulting in Trump’s first impeachment.
 

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Some seem to imagine that Russia is justified in waging war against Ukraine. I would like to know what nation is squeaky clean enough to point the finger at supposedly evil Ukraine. When I look at a country, my first thought is, would I like to live there? Would I prefer America to China? I've not visited China, but I know enough to say that I would rather live in America. It's far from perfect, but you can vote out the administration if you don't like it. Or can be bothered voting.

Would I prefer Russia to Ukraine? No. As has been said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Putin has entrenched himself in power and who can dislodge him?

America has its own problems. If God is using Russia to punish Ukraine, then watch out Americans. You are no better than Ukraine. China is your nemesis. And Australia will be caught up in the conflict as well.
The Satan´s pawns have control over both countries, and they use the old "divide and conquer" tactic to get their objectives. Also relevant to understand the Hegelian dialectic, which is always used. If the "problem" now is the war between both countries, the solution, will be the real problem, when they reach their "solution".
 

JohnDB

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Rand Paul taught me something new... We're subsidizing small business in Ukraine. Let's take a look at the 60 minutes episode he is talking about.


at the 2min mark.... "JOHN McCAIN STREET IN KYIV". They literally NAMED A STREET AFTER HIM!?!? That can't be real.

let's see...
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Two problems with this...
One it's a 60minutes story...MSM
Then it's quoted by Rand Paul....a politician....(Politician is synonymous with liar).

So excuse me if I take this with a grain of salt or strain out a gnat while swallowing a camel.
 

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The Satan´s pawns have control over both countries, and they use the old "divide and conquer" tactic to get their objectives. Also relevant to understand the Hegelian dialectic, which is always used. If the "problem" now is the war between both countries, the solution, will be the real problem, when they reach their "solution".
The issue is way too often clouded by your kind of thinking. It's very simple as is the solution. Russia had no right to invade Ukraine any more than Mexico has the right to invade the USA. If anything, Mexico has a more legitimate basis for demanding its stolen (aka "annexed" land back.

The solution is simple. Russia withdraws to pre-2014 borders. Russia makes war reparations to rebuild Ukraine's destroyed infrastructure. Putin is tried as a war criminal. There. It could not be easier. And it has no chance of happening.
 

Johhn

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The issue is way too often clouded by your kind of thinking. It's very simple as is the solution. Russia had no right to invade Ukraine any more than Mexico has the right to invade the USA. If anything, Mexico has a more legitimate basis for demanding its stolen (aka "annexed" land back.

The solution is simple. Russia withdraws to pre-2014 borders. Russia makes war reparations to rebuild Ukraine's destroyed infrastructure. Putin is tried as a war criminal. There. It could not be easier. And it has no chance of happening.
I think you might not understand the hidden hand that works in the world. If you thing Governments are the ones who make decisions that have a global impact, you still have to study a lot about how the Jewish Bankers have been behind all the evil in the world. The Federal Reserve is not a public or state institution, it is private, so it is with the European Central Bank. Those who print money and buy and corrupt everyone they want and can (those who dont follow, are usually killed or blackmailed, or difamated), have this power since the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Rothchilds, Rockefeller, all their minions freemasons and companies like Black Rock, and so on and on have a hand in matters that most people think it´s casual happenings in the world due to will to power, and control when in fact, they are all aboard in the theatre. Like Shakespeare said "The world is a stage". They have a grasp in world matters for a long long time ago, even before WWI and WWII. Call me crazy, but I know what im talking. Anyway like Apostle Paul said, "No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. " All of this that is happening in the world is due to people being in grave sin, just like we read in Kings, every time people did not follow the way of the Lord, bad things happen. Lets pray for the conversion of those who are in power, so that they may repent, and help this world. Some ex banksters did, and they did expose a lot, in risk of being killed. Some investigators already died for exposing the truth, so yes, there´s still some soldiers of the truth. Not all understand the REAL TRUTH, this is a spiritual warfare, " For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. " Peace be upon you, may God bless you.
 

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No one has no right, to make the Fathers house (planet earth) a marketplace, yet, here we are, in a world where a piece of paper, or a binary code, in a computer system has more value than human life.
 
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Well then don't be ignorant about what you are up against. All churches in the US with a tax exempt status are 501 (c)(3) churches. This means that if they renounce that status all their assets (meeting hall, etc) must go to another 501 (c)(3) organization. Therefore, you can say the assets belong to the government.

This is WHY the Lord Jesus never led anybody to build a church and put it in the hands of the government by claiming 501c3 status!

Also, the Lord Jesus never led any church to be under a mortgage where the borrower is servant to the lender (Proverbs 22:7)
 

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The Beast rising out of the sea, "who can make war with the beast"
The 10 kings who remain after the tribulation wars give their power to the AC only AFTER he is resurrected from the dead (deadly head wound healed). Only then do they submit. Because the AC is now (by their perception anyways) "unkillable". So unkillable that this end-time confederacy BELIEVES that they can actually go to war with YHVH and win. A Satanic deception of course......they all die.
The persecution of the Saints/Israel rapidly accelerates after Satan indwells the AC (mid-trib), who then becomes vastly powerful.
You either take the mark of the beast or are executed. Resistance means death. All world governments assist in this pogrom.

Rev 13:4
And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

The AC is the "greater Goliath". This Gol of Gath was killed and beheaded by David. David then buried his head at Jerusalem, at the location known afterward as GOLGATHA.

1Sa 17:54
And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

Mar 15:22
And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

This Golgatha is the EXACT PLACE that Jesus Christ CHOSE to be crucified. In an eternal proclamation of His defeat of the wicked one and his armies, fulfilling Gen 3:15.