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Ecc 9:13-16 . .This thing too I observed under the sun about wisdom, and
it affected me profoundly. There was a little city, with few men in it; and to
it came a great king, who surrounded it and built mighty siege works against
it. Residing in the city was a poor wise man who might have saved it with his
wisdom, but nobody thought of that poor man. So I observed: Wisdom is
better than valor; but a poor man's wisdom is scorned, and his words are
not heeded.

A pity that the truly wise are not always famous nor widely respected;
whereas the boastful, the narcissistic, the achievers, and the ambitious
always seem to find ample public opportunity to express their opinions, and
ways to get them implemented.

But unless you have access to millions of dollars, you can forget running for
either the US President, the US Senate, or State Governor. The poor stand
little chance running for office no matter how wise and capable they might
be because wisdom and ability alone are not enough. Political office is
typically won by the powerful, the influential, and/or those who have very
rich friends and the support of very large special interests.

Ecc 9:17 . .The words of the wise heard in quietness are better than the
shouting of a ruler among fools.

Unfortunately, the words of the wise are all too often heard in private. They
seldom have a large public audience because the wise are neither popular,
nor charismatic. The masses want to be entertained by a silver-tongued
speaker of grand verbiage and a promoter of impossible social agendas.
Bombastic plans for the future seem to be the tried and true method of
every successful politician. They offer hope you can believe in; but in reality,
all they actually have to offer are impossible ideals.

Ecc 9:18 . .Wisdom is more valuable than weapons of war, but a single
error destroys much of value.

Although wisdom may have more value than a cruise missile, it isn't nearly
as effective as that weapon in its purpose. It should be noted that a cruise
missile isn't launched indiscriminately; but usually launched only after the
wisdom of diplomacy has run its course and left the wisdom of warfare no
choice but to do its thing; and its thing these days can be the destruction of
an entire city by just one bomb.

Equipment and munitions, no matter how sophisticated nor how destructive,
are wasted in the hands of those untrained and unskilled in their use. So
wisdom and weapons of war work together for a victory. But obviously
wisdom is the more valuable of the two because it is through wisdom that
war materiel is employed to its best effect.

Former US President John F. Kennedy once commented in a speech: Every
man woman and child is under a nuclear sword of Damocles, hanging by the
slenderest thread, capable of being cut at any moment by accident,
miscalculation, or by madness.

In other words, geniuses figured out how to harness fission, but its
application is sometimes subject to the arbitrary discretion of fools and
Murphy's law.

A really good example of a single error destroying much of value was a 1998
NASA Mars robotic probe that failed to achieve its intended orbit around
Mars due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non
SI units of pound (force)-seconds (lbf•s) instead of the SI units of newton
seconds (N•s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed.

As a result of that one software boo-boo; the spacecraft encountered Mars
on a trajectory that brought it too close to the planet, causing it to pass
through the upper atmosphere and disintegrate. All the ingenious designing
and engineering that went into constructing a perfectly good orbiter, and
getting it out to Mars, went for naught.

Another good example was the Hubble Space Telescope flub. Nobody
physically tested the Hubble's optics before sending the machine into near
earth orbit because a computer model convinced the telescope's makers that
everything was okay as-is and needed no testing. As a result, Hubble's initial
data produced images little better than those seen by an elderly person with
cataracts. Ouch!
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Ecc 10:1 . . Dead insects will cause even a bottle of perfume to stink! Yes,
an ounce of foolishness can outweigh a pound of wisdom and honor.

Before the wonders of modern chemistry, perfumes were made (and many
still are) from animal and vegetable sources. Those, being all-natural, in a
day prior to modern preservatives, could spoil if the perfumer wasn't careful
to keep his product protected from exposure to temperature, insects, dirt,
moisture, and other contaminants. All the skills and patience and knowledge
exercised in the making of expensive scents could be completely annulled by
simply forgetting to put the cap back on a jar.

Anyway, Ecc 10:1 certainly rings true in this day and age as the Roman
Catholic Church's credibility steadily goes down the tubes because of its
ongoing pedophilia scandals aggravated by its deplorable cover-ups.

As I write this, we have a US President here in America whose every word
has to be coached lest his thoughtless gaffes bring discredit to not only his
political party, but the whole country; which goes to show that just one
foolish man in a position of influence can cause a lot of damage to an entire
system's reputation.

Ecc 10:2 . . A wise man's mind tends toward the right hand, a fool's
toward the left.

The right hand is the most useful and dexterous of the two hands. (at least
for right-handed people anyway). It swings hammers and it writes letters. It
pulls back the bow string, and it wields the sword and axe. It holds your cup
of coffee, and it stirs cake mix. So to put your mind towards your right hand
is to make your mind the leader in your efforts; in contrast to the fool who
doesn't bother taking time to think anything through before charging ahead.
The fool leaves behind him a wake of errors; and is always learning things
the hard way. His favorite (full time) university is the School Of Hard
Knocks. Pity, but it seems to be the only way he ever learns anything.

Ecc 10:3 . . A fool's mind is also wanting when he travels, and he lets
everybody know he is a fool.

For some strange reason, the average male doesn't like to ask for directions
when he travels. Women usually don't mind at all because they want to get
where they're going. The men want to get there too, but they don't want to
get there as wimpy men; they want to find their own way there as macho
men. They prefer to think of themselves as commandos, patrol leaders: map
and compass experts. So they often end up lost and turned around because
their male pride won't permit them to let somebody (especially wives and
girlfriends) help them find the way.

And then there are people who don't prepare for emergencies when they
travel. They don't bring a car blanket, nor hat, nor paper towels, nor tarp,
nor flares, nor water, nor first aid supplies, nor flashlight, nor food-- their
spare tire is flat, and they haven't a clue how to install their car's tire chains
(that is; if they even have a set) and they try to get by all year long on
regular tires rather than go to the trouble of purchasing and installing
seasonal tires.
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Ecc 10:4 . . If the wrath of a lord flares up against you, don't give up your
post; for when wrath abates, grave offenses are pardoned.

It is amazing how time has a way of healing things, and making people's
anger dissipate. If your boss blows his top at you for something or other and
rakes you over the coals, don't lose heart and quit your job just yet. He'll
cool off after a while and soon be back to his old self again. Sooner or later,
the boss himself will trip up and do something stupid like sexual harassment
or creating a hostile workplace; thus putting himself in the awkward position
of owing you one. Then you'll be even, and can go on as if nothing ever
happened; and he'll be very glad you didn't do something rash like haul him
down to the Equal Employment Opportunity office and make an issue of his
professional conduct.

Ecc 10:5-6 . . Here is an evil I have seen under the sun as great as an
error committed by a ruler: Folly was placed on lofty heights, while rich men
sat in low estate. I have seen slaves on horseback, and nobles walking on
the ground like slaves.

That is more a contrast between the nature of two types of character than
actual estate. A good biblical example of what Solomon is talking about can
be seen at Acts 23:23-24:27; where Paul the apostle mounted his defense
against the accusations of his Jewish enemies before a Roman governor
named Felix.

Felix wasn't born into nobility. No, he was actually an emancipated slave
who worked himself up to rank by craftiness and cruelty. Felix ruled, not
with a nobleman's mentality, but with a slave's. Tacitus, Hist. 5, says this of
Felix: Per omnem saevitiam ac libidinem jus regium servili ingenio exercuit
-- "He used royal power with a servile genius, and in connection with all the
varieties of cruelty and lust."

Felix should have been judged by Paul, not the other way around. As Paul
discoursed on righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come, Felix
became nervous and said: That's enough for now! You may leave. When I
find it convenient, I will send for you. (Acts 24:25)

Felix's wife, Drusilla, was a piece of work herself. Her father was Herod
Agrippa 1, the one who ordered the death of James the brother of John (Acts
12:2). Her great uncle, another Herod, ordered the Lord's cousin John
beheaded (Mk 6:27). And last but not least, her great grandfather was the
infamous Herod who ordered the slaughter of pre-schoolers. (Matt 2:16)
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Ecc 10:8-9 . . He who digs a pit may fall into it, and a serpent may bite
him who breaks through a wall. He who quarries stones may be hurt by
them, and he who splits logs may be endangered by them.

Anyone who's ever chopped kindling, already knows how easy it is for sticks
of wood to fly up into your face from a blow of the axe.

One of the most dangerous jobs up here in the northwest is logging. There's
ten ways from Sunday to get yourself injured logging. Chain saws rip men,
loose boughs called widow-makers fall on their heads, cables called chokers
sometimes catch the men and crush their hands, tear them in half or pull an
arm or leg off their bodies; falling trees lurch and skid rearwards off the
stump to hit the logger if he forgets to stand off to the side. They are
constantly tripping and falling, getting scratched, bitten by bugs, yelled at,
cursed, and threatened by the Bull of the woods (their foreman).

Should men stop logging because it's dangerous? Should they stop digging
trenches for pipelines because sometimes the trenches cave in? Should they
stop tearing down old buildings for new shopping malls and apartment
houses because there might be a rattler, or a scorpion, or a brown recluse
spider in the rubble? No. All those hazards just quite naturally come with the
turf.

Blue collar men are constantly in danger. But a wise worker will pay
attention in safety meetings, and put into practice what's he's taught so he
doesn't inadvertently kill himself in the process of bringing home the bacon.
My boss always said: Cliff; I don't care if you get killed on the job just so
long as you do it safely. (chuckle) That's one of the paradoxes of the blue
collar world. Safe working practices save many lives and limbs; but none are
fool proof.

Ecc 10:10 . . If the axe has become dull and he has not whetted the edge,
he must exert more strength. Thus the advantage of a skill [depends on the
exercise of] prudence.

We have a saying in the blue collar world: Work smarter, not harder. Many
times a job can be facilitated by just simply taking the time to go and get
the right tool instead of struggling to make do with the wrong one. But men
can be stubborn; and are sometimes careless, lazy and/or in a hurry; with
often predictable results.
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Ecc 10:11 . . If the snake bites because no spell was uttered, no
advantage is gained by the trained charmer.

That continues the thought from verse 10: "Thus the advantage of a skill
[depends on the exercise of] prudence."

Trained snake charmers lose control over cobras when they fail to exercise
the snake charming skills they learned in training. Charmers can't just sit
there and do nothing. The snake might strike and end the show before the
charmer gets any money from his audience. That principle obviously applies
in just about any area of life where skills (and prudence) are required to
produce results; like driving a car, SCUBA diving, banking, typing, sewing,
cooking, rock climbing, welding . . whatever. Trainings and skills are only
valuable when they're applied and put to use.

Ecc 10:12-14a . . A wise man's talk brings him favor, but a fool's lips are
his undoing. His talk begins as silliness and ends as disastrous madness. Yet
the fool talks and talks!

There are some talk shows on television that I simply cannot endure
because the hosts are so rude and disorderly. Those people continually
interrupt each other and hardly let the others complete a sentence before
blurting out their own thoughts; and many times all are talking at once with
a din that reminds me of a chicken house with all the birds clucking and
squawking an incoherent cacophony.

For some people, every conversation is a venue for monologue: they do all
the talking. I used to work with a young man who not only talked very fast,
but with a pretty fair amount of animated arm waving and head tossing to
go with it. He had a maddening habit of never finishing one topic at a time.
In mid sentence he would branch off to another; leaving the first incomplete.
His conversation was like that continually and the effect was nerve jangling
because your mind was constantly shifting gears trying to keep up with each
new train of his erratic thoughts.

People's words are like pools of water. Some are very deep; yet so clear that
you can see all the way down. Others are shallow, but alas, so murky that
we cannot see even one inch below the surface.

Ecc 10:14b . . A man cannot know what will happen; who can tell him
what the future holds?

Well . . some people seem to know a little something everything. No matter
what topic comes up in conversation, they have something to share about it
as if you were the student, and they the master; and they are prolific with
rash predictions about this and about that, e.g. "just you wait and see"
and/or "mark my words."
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Imagination is the oldest informational ability of flesh and blood that's diverse but only what is reality with provable happening not many mentions of impossible being possible to Spirit yet only trust being skeptics.

My favorite Eccl is mentioning old wine to same repeats for only certain available happenings by natural observations in circles like eggs, when new mine is offered, it is able to open eggs waking to Spirit brightness compare to darkness inside eggs.
Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
 

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Ecc 10:15 . . A fool's exertions tire him out, for he doesn't know how to get to a town.

(chuckle) There's a modern colloquialism similar to that one: So and so is so dumb that
he doesn't know his right hand from his left. Or: He wouldn't be able to find his nose if it
wasn't attached to his face. That's the general impression bucket-mouths make upon
their victims.

"Sooner meet a bereaved she-bear than a fool with his nonsense." (Pro 17:12)

"A knowledgeable man is sparing with his words; a man of understanding is reticent.
Even a fool, if he keeps silent, is deemed wise— intelligent, if he seals his lips." (Pro
17:27-28)

It isn't necessary to be an aged wizard like Gandalf to be truly wise because wisdom
isn't really measured by a person's age. It's measured in good sense. Frodo the Hobbit,
although young and inexperienced, is wise in his own way. Some of his friends are
imbeciles. But not Frodo. Although he enjoys a good time as well as any of his peers,
Frodo is careful to avoid stupidity. Because he exercises a considerable amount of self
control, Frodo is the only inhabitant of Middle Earth who can be trusted to bear the one
ring that rules them all.
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Proverbs do like divisions so it can doubt possible and throw possible back at ya. Becoming more than mirrors.
 

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Ecc 10:16a . .Woe to you, O land, whose king is a lad

It is a very sad time in a country's progress when the young are getting their
own way. God is known for punishing Moses' people by saddling them with
immature leadership and with disrespect for senior citizens. Some see
lowering the USA voting age to 18 as progress and a step in the right
direction. The Bible would see it as an evidence of America's decadence.

"He will destroy all the nation's leaders-- the heroes, soldiers, judges,
prophets, diviners, elders, army officers, honorable citizens, advisers, skilled
magicians, and expert enchanters. Then he will appoint children to rule over
them, and anarchy will prevail. People will take advantage of each other--
man against man, neighbor fighting neighbor. Young people will revolt
against authority, and nobodies will sneer at honorable people." (Isa 3:2-5)

Children's activities, like little league baseball and cub scouts, need adult
supervision. Kids, no matter how intelligent, just haven't the maturity to rule
either themselves or others. Management of lands and peoples requires a
degree of maturity, experience, and self discipline; which is why it's totally
stupid to lower the voting age instead of raising it especially when the new
21 in America is now somewhere around 26, and where civil disobedience is
thought to be patriotic, and where parent-demeaning sitcoms rate high in
television programming.

Ecc 10:16b-17 . . and whose princes feast in the morning. Blessed are
you, O land, whose king is of nobility and whose princes eat at the
appropriate time-- for strength, and not for drunkenness.

The word "princes" is translated from sar (sar) which means: a head person
of any rank or class-- captains, chiefs, generals, governors, keepers, lords,
taskmasters, monarchs, kings, magnates, barons, czars, foremen,
supervisors, etc.

A hearty breakfast of pancakes, fruit, and cereal wouldn't be considered
feasting. But a banquet, replete with alcohol, so early in the day, would have
to be construed as indulgence. Here in America, where we have so much,
overeating is a big problem. Many of us don't eat because we're hungry. No,
we eat for recreation: simply because we like food.

* Overeating isn't the same as gluttony. Real gluttony is where revelers stuff
themselves then regurgitate it so they can continue. But chronic overeating
can be evidence of the possible presence of other vices. There used to be an
old saying that chubby people are the happiest people. But we now know
that over-eating is often the result of psychological problems like depression
and anxiety disorders. Is that the kind of people we need in positions of
leadership? I seriously doubt it.
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Ecc 6:10 . .Whatever happens, it was designated long ago and it was
known that it would happen;
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Here is wisdom.

When you understand that God KNOWING what is going to happen, is not the same as causing it.

"Foreknowledge" is not causing it.
"Foreknowledge" is KNOWING what will happen, before it happens.


To KNOW, is not the same as to Cause.
 

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Ecc 10:18-19 . .Through slothfulness the ceiling sags, through lazy hands
the house caves in. They make a banquet for revelry; wine makes life
merry, and money answers every need.

People with vices often put a higher priority upon satisfying their appetites
than taking care of business. Drug addicts often lose their jobs for non
productivity and tardiness. Some lose their friends, and their mental health.
Gamblers risk the loss of their homes, credit ratings, and bank accounts.
Binge eaters risk heart attacks, strokes, and hardening of the arteries.
Smokers risk cancer, premature aging, and high blood pressure. And addicts
on meth risk losing their teeth, ergo: the best time to break a bad habit is
before it starts.

Ecc 10:20 . . Do not revile the king even in your thoughts, or curse the
rich in your bedroom, because a bird of the air may carry your words, and a
bird on the wing may report what you say.

The word for "revile" is translated from qalal (kaw-lal'); and basically means:
to belittle, vilify, despise or express contempt for someone. It can also mean
to wish (either in your heart or out loud) for someone's misfortune, or to
hope they experience some sort of harm, calamity, and/or injury.

Vilifying the rich is one thing; but vilifying those that employ you in their
business is quite another and can possibly lead to the loss of a promotion, or
even your job.

Solomon's advice on this point is extremely valuable; and the practice of
discretion is an outstanding social skill. It never seems to fail, that when
friends get together, some begin airing petty grievances against their
supervisors. Of course they wouldn't dare do this if any of the supervisors'
friends were around; but they make the common mistake of assuming their
friends are all loyal, and can keep a secret, and protect them from scandal.
But you just never know who among your friends might be wearing two
faces; and looking for an opportunity to curry favor with the very person you
just now ran into the ground.

Even the walls can quite literally have ears. Here's how. One year, we were
on vacation and staying at a friend's home in the town where we were. Well,
one evening as my wife and I were planning our itinerary for the next day, I
complained that the day would be ruined if our host wanted to come with us.
Guess what? Their home had central heating and every room was equipped
with a vent that connected to the main ductwork; which quite effectively
carried sounds to every room in the house like a tubular telegraph system.
Our host overheard everything we said.

Nowadays we pretty much have to assume that strange rooms, and even
our workplaces, are equipped with hidden microphones and tiny little video
cameras. Privacy is becoming scarcer and scarcer in the modern world.
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Ecc 11:1-2 . . Send your bread forth upon the waters; for after many days
you will find it. Distribute portions to seven or even to eight, for you cannot
know what misfortune may occur on earth.

In Solomon's opinion; a well-rounded person is charitable. Altruism is one of
those characteristics that should be included in everyone's social résumé;
and makes us a better person for it. Nowadays, college aspirants have to put
in some time benefiting their communities in some way because it looks
good on a college application.

They say charity begins at home. From there, it moves on out into the
neighborhood, and ultimately into the world: foreign aid for example. Some
people object to foreign aid because it drains American resources badly
needed on the home front. But drain or not, it's a good policy. Not only is it
humanitarian, and therefore morally right; but you just never know when
America herself will be down and out and the very people who were down on
their luck that we assisted with weapons, food, technology, and medicine,
might one day reciprocate and help us out in some way.

America is sometimes accused of buying friends with foreign aid, and no
doubt some of that is true. But not always. And even if it were 100% true;
so what? You don't need to love people to be charitable. It makes good
sense to build yourself a base of good will just in case you need a favor
some day. People you have helped are more inclined to help you back than
those you ignored; and in this big bad world, you need all the friends you
can get.

"I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it
is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings." (Luke 16:9)

Most of the time, guests wear out their welcome and sometimes are even
asked to leave. But "eternal dwellings" suggests that out of gratitude for
your charity, your host is likely to be favorably inclined to invite you to
remain as long as you like.

Ecc 11:3-6 . . If the clouds are filled, they will pour down rain on the
earth; and if a tree falls to the south or to the north, the tree will stay where
it falls. If one watches the wind, he will never sow; and if one observes the
clouds, he will never reap.

. . . Just as you do not know how the life-breath passes into the limbs within
the womb of the pregnant woman, so you cannot foresee the actions of God,
who causes all things to happen. Sow your seed in the morning, and don’t
hold back your hand in the evening, since you don’t know which is going to
succeed, the one or the other, or if both are equally good.

Just about any mention of a "God" in the book of Ecclesiastes is superficial
rhetoric, and has nothing to do with genuine faith.

What Solomon is saying is: If people waited until all the conditions were just
right, life would pass them by. In other words: Life is a risk. Take it.
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Ecc 11:7-8 . . How sweet is the light, what a delight for the eyes to behold
the sun! Even if a man lives many years, let him enjoy himself in all of them,
remembering how many the days of darkness are going to be. The only
future is nothingness!

We know from the revealed portions of scripture that the afterlife is neither
darkness nor nothingness. But in the limited perception of the man under
the sun, one's existence on earth is all there is. Philosophically then, it's
wasteful to suppress one's potential in this life when death is so inevitable.

Ecc 11:9-10 . . Rejoice, young man, during your childhood, and let your
heart be pleasant during the days of young manhood. And follow the
impulses of your heart and the desires of your eyes. Yet know that God will
bring you to judgment for all these things. So, remove vexation from your
heart and put away pain from your body, because childhood and the prime
of life are fleeting.

I let my past go too fast
No time to pause.
If I could slow it all down,
Like some captain whose ship runs aground,
I could wait until the tide comes around.
(RUSH, Time Stand Still, 1987)

Life can't be put on hold, nor can one pause and savor the moment because
moments are momentary. The instant moments happen, they become fixed
in the frozen sea of the past. People who think to save themselves for
marriage for example, can do no such thing. One cannot save life as if it
were possible to put life in storage. No, life goes on. When people try to save
themselves for later; they only end up letting themselves go to waste
because youth isn't static; no, youth is left behind like the treads of a rope
bridge crumbling off behind you for every step taken as you cross over to
the other side; ergo: the time to live life is while you have it; not wait to live
it later after you've gone to seed. That rope bridge steadily gets to the point
when there are no treads left to retrace your steps.

Young people should enjoy a young person's life to the fullest while they
have the chance; but of course not to excess because any reasonable sense
of justice expects a day when a supreme being will call everyone into
account. But nevertheless; there is a lot to life that can be fully enjoyed only
while we are young. Age takes the pleasure out of many things in life that
were once fresh and exciting.

Take Disneyland in Los Angeles for example. Walt's park was built in the
1950's, completed just three years before I became a teen-ager. Oh; how I
yearned to go there and ride the Jungle Cruise, a boat ride on the rivers of
the world-- and we lived in San Diego, only a measly ninety miles from
Anaheim. Well, my mom and dad never did take us; and I didn't go on my
own until I got out of the Army; but by then the thrill was gone; it was more
of a curiosity than a pleasure. You know why? Because I wasn't a kid
anymore. So don't let youth slip through your fingers. Don't put off kid
things till you are older; because when you are older, kid things won't be
near as much fun nor will they be nearly as interesting either.
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Ecc 11:9-10+

There was a time when I had 20-20 vision and could gaze at the stars with
my naked eyes and see them all crisp and sharp, even the really tiny ones.
Then one day I started noticing birds with four wings. Astigmatism had crept
up on me and there was nothing I could do about it except start wearing
glasses.

In later years, I developed cataracts; which make it difficult to drive at night
because the headlights of oncoming cars are like looking at flares through an
oily window and make it really hard for me to see the white lines. Even in
bright daylight, cataracts prevented me from reading street signs till I was
very close and then of course too late to safely turn on the one I wanted. So
now I have artificial lenses in both eyes to go along with the artificial joints
that I already had in both knees.

Romance especially is dulled by age. When you're young, love and romance
take your breath away, you can't sleep for the excitement of it all, and all
you can think of is being with your lover. Well, when you get older, it's not
like that. And I don't mean real old either. People in only their mid thirties
and forties no longer feel the same rush any more.

As a case in point, I dated a little in high school. Afterwards, during three
years of active duty in the Army I avoided girls and did no dating at all. After
discharge, I dated a girl when I was 21 and then completely lost interest in
dating till I was 32. But guess what? That decade of celibacy rendered me
almost completely frigid. I could feel very little chemistry with girls; they
were simply people of a different gender. The only reason I married at all is
because of the aging process. One day while shaving, as I looked in the
mirror I noticed my face beginning to sag and my hair thinning and
receding. It was a wake-up call. I realized the time of life for starting a
family was rapidly slipping away where before I gave it no thought at all.

Life is one of those things that you cannot go back and do over. You're only
young once; and you feel the feelings of the young only once too; and that's
for a relatively brief time compared to the remainder of your life.

I was once asked, in the 6th grade, by a sadistic male school principal who
caught me acting silly in the cafeteria: "Aren't you ever going to grow up?" I
answered; "I don't want to grow up." He was immediately indignant, and
demanded to know why. I replied; "Because grown-ups are unhappy."

He was annoyed by my answer; but no doubt knew in his heart I was right. I
never saw that man happy. He was always irritable and upset at the
students for one thing or another and everyone feared him. You know,
looking back, I don't think that man was even 35 yet; and just look how
much of the exuberance of youth he had already lost even by the time of
that relatively early age.
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Ecc 12:1 . . So appreciate your vigor in the days of your youth, before
those days of sorrow come and those years arrive of which you will say: I
have no pleasure in them.

Most people cope pretty well with middle age, and old age too-- as long as
they're in good health, their mind is sound and, they have the right attitude.
But nobody does good with advanced age.

Your bowels won't work right, you'll be incontinent and smell bad;
diverticulitis causes blood in your stools, your skin will be thin and easily
torn, blue veins pop out on your legs and on the backs of your hands, you
won't see things unless they're right under your nose, your sense of smell
will be weak right along with your sense of taste. Savory foods will taste like
cardboard and your stomach can't deal with them anyway.

No more hiking, no more bicycle rides, no more airplane trips, and very little
travel. Walking, if you're able to walk at all, will really be little more than a
shuffle of slow, flat footed, jerky little short steps rather than a brisk fluid
stroll.

Ecc 12:2 . . before sun and light and moon and stars grow dark, and the
clouds come back again after the rain:

Often, as people get older and their health begins to fail, friends will ask:
Hey, how's ol' so and so doing? And someone will say: Oh, he has his good
days and he has his bad days. Well, eventually ol' so and so will have only
his bad days and no good days ever again.

Ecc 12:3a . .When the keepers of the house become shaky,

Keeping house requires the use of one's hands for mopping, dusting, and
doing laundry and dishes. Aged people's hands tremble. They can't hold
anything steady. In fact, they have so little strength and dexterity left in
their hands that they can't grasp anything securely; so they drop stuff a lot.

Ecc 12:3b . . And the men of valor are bent,

Those in advanced age, even if they were once proud Olympic athletes, can't
stand up straight and keep their shoulders back anymore. Older people get
bent and hunched. They shrink too, and some practically curl over like a fish
hook.

My mother-in-law really loved birds. But her back was so bent over that she
couldn't look up to see them, and unless they were only a few yards away,
she couldn't even lift her head high enough to see the ones down low on the
ground. I could've gotten her the finest Leica optics money can buy, but it
would just be throwing money out with the recycle. She couldn't use them
on a birding trip, nor could she even go on one. And if that weren't enough,
she lost the use of one eye because of glaucoma.

Ecc 12:3c . . the grinding ones stand idle because they are few,

Before the advent of dentures and professional dental care, people
commonly lost their teeth from decay and gum disease. As they got older,
people lost more and more teeth until the day came when there finally
weren't enough teeth left in their mouth to bite off food and chew it. Foods
like grains, meats, and many crispy fresh fruits and vegetables were simply
out of the question; so they had to eat mushy foods, foods that were
overcooked; or that didn't require a lot of biting and chewing. There's still a
lot of that in third world countries.

Ecc 12:3d . . and those that look through the windows grow dim,

Cataracts are a common ailment among the aged. It's a cruel condition
because it clouds the eye's lens thus preventing full passage of light to the
retina. When I had my own cataracts treated, I was amazed. Not only was
the world a whole lot brighter, but colors were more vivid too. But back in
Solomon's day, there was no treatment for cataracts; so people's eyesight
just waxed worse and worse as time went on to the point where they could
no longer even get around on their own or even so much as recognize
familiar friends.
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Ecc 12:4a . . And the doors to the street are shut--

The doors are shut because aged people get chilled easily by drafts. Riding
on a city transit bus once, in the dead of summer in San Diego, some senior
citizens shut my window because the air blowing in was making them cold
even though the rest of us on board were broiling in the heat.

Ecc 12:4b . . with the noise of the hand mill growing fainter, and the song
of the bird growing feebler, and all the strains of music dying down;

I've lost some of my hearing in the higher and lower ranges. It's natural and
to be expected, even at my age which, to date, is 78. Hearing aids help a lot
so we don't have to yell so loud at aged folks in order for them to hear us.
Just imagine not being able to enjoy your favorite music; or straining to hear
ordinary conversation.

Ecc 12:5a . .When one is afraid of heights

We can fall aplenty when we're young and get away with it. Our joints are
tight and strong, our ligaments are taught and springy, our bones are solid
and tough, and we can handle all the bumps and bruises life throws at us.
But not so when we reach advanced age. Falls, even little falls, are
extremely hazardous; and can even be fatal.

Every now and then the news runs a story of an aged person who stumbled
and fell at home and broke a hip; and couldn't even reach the telephone to
call for help; sometimes laying there for days until the landlord or relatives
checked in on them. I knew an aged lady who's broken hip actually caused
her death. Her body was so weak already from fighting cancer that the
broken hip put it over the edge.

Ecc 12:5b . . And there is fear on the road.

Back in Solomon's day, people didn't move about cocooned in the safety and
comfort of a shell of metal and glass like many of us do today in modern
motorized vehicles. Well; they didn't have inoculations for pneumonia back
then so the aged were always in danger of literally catching their death
outdoors due to exposure to wind, rain, cold, and dampness.

Back in 1966, I drove up to Oregon from San Diego all alone in a VW and
slept in the car at night rather than pay for a motel. I was only 22 years old
then and totally unconcerned for my safety. Today, at 78, I would not even
think of such a venture; too risky, any number of things could go wrong
which, back then, I wouldn't have given a second thought.
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How can we reconcile this negative view of God with the rest of Scripture?
“To Adam he said, ‘Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it’, cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust and to dust you shall return.”
 

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Ecc 12:5c . . The almond tree may blossom, the grasshopper be [gravid],
and the caper bush may bud again; but man sets out for his eternal abode,
with mourners all around in the street.

Nature isn't dismayed by the passing of a human being. Flowers continue to
bloom, bugs continue to multiply, and fruit continues to appear on vines,
bushes, and trees; and birds continue to migrate. When people drop dead,
the world doesn't drop dead with them. Trees and flowers go right on
budding and blooming, fish go on swimming, birds go on flying, bees go on
buzzing, the Earth goes right on turning, and the Moon goes right on shining
as usual just like nothing ever happened.

The world was doing just fine before any one of us came along, and it will go
on doing just fine after we're all gone. When those 2,829 people died in the
2001 attack on the World Trade Center, and another 200,000+ were killed in
the 2010 Haiti earthquake, and another 169,752 were killed in the 2004
tsunami in Indonesia, and yet another 25,000 killed and/or went missing in
Japan's tsunami in 2011 --nature felt neither pity nor remorse; and the stars
in their courses didn't dim even the slightest.

Standard funerals here in the USA are actually harmful because they're
typically anti green. The figures below represent chemicals and construction
materials consumed on account of, and/or buried with, America's dead in
just one calendar year.

» 30,000,000+ board feet of hardwoods

» 100,000+ tons of bronze, steel, and copper

» 1,000,000+ tons of concrete.

» 1,000,000+ gallons of formaldehyde

Not to mention the 2,000,000+ acres of land devoted to existing cemeteries
maintained with pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, and petro-chemical
fertilizers which all eventually leach into the soil and into our water sources.

We are literally killing the planet to honor our dead. And the irony of it all--
the sublime irony --is that the reason half of us go to funerals is to pay our
respects to people we couldn't be bothered with when they were alive.
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Ecc 12:6 . . Yes, remember your creator now, before the silver cord snaps
and the golden bowl crashes, the jar is shattered at the spring, and the jug
is smashed at the cistern.

Well; you know what they say about Humpty Dumpty: All the king's horses
and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty back together again.

People with money, like king Solomon, had fancy lighting in their homes.
Chandeliers made of ornate bowls overlaid with gold, containing oil or
candles, were suspended from the ceiling by metal contraptions made of
silver. Ancient bowls, and jars, and jugs were fragile. Once broken, they
weren't repaired, but discarded and replaced with a new unit. Man is like
that-- just an expendable vessel; and death destroys him beyond repair like
one of Solomon's terracotta dishes.

Ecc 12:7a . . And the dust returns to the ground as it was,

Man's body is composed of mother nature's physical elements. She wants
them back. But the power that makes things alive doesn't consist of mother
nature's elements. The power of life is divine; and God (or the gods,
whatever) wants it back after you're done with it.

Ecc 12:7b . . and the life-breath returns to God [or the gods; whatever]
who bestowed it.

In other words; man's life is a short-term loan.

Ecc 12:8 . . Utter futility-- said Koheleth --all is meaningless!

Well, there you have it-- an objective evaluation of the human experience.
It's fragile, brief, subject to termination without the benefit of even so much
as a moment's notice, and punctuated with misery. Is it any wonder then
that from the perspective of a man under the sun; the human experience is
completely pointless?

When people reach what is commonly called the age of reasoning; some of
their very first questions are: Why am I here? Where did I come from? What
is the meaning of life, and is there a purpose for mine?

I think it's very normal (or at least very common) for people to seek a
justification for their existence; and without it, they can only conclude that
the human experience is futile; which can be roughly defined as serving no
useful purpose; for example:

Nobel Prize winner, author of several best-selling books, and recipient of at
least a dozen honorary degrees, physicist Steven Weinberg (who views
religion as an enemy of science), in his book "The First Three Minutes"
wrote: The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems
pointless. But if there is no solace in the fruits of our research, there is at
least some consolation in the research itself . . . the effort to understand the
universe is one of the very few things that lifts human life a little above the
level of a farce and gives it some of the grace of tragedy.

What a dismal appraisal. In Mr. Weinberg's opinion, the human experience
scarce escapes the categories of farce and tragedy; its quest for knowledge
seems the only thing that gives humanity any justification to exist at all. The
universe? It's just a meaningless void decorated with fascinating objects --a
carnival side show of cosmic curiosities, so to speak.

Wouldn't it be sad if we only lived and died like insects and fungi? I mean,
what would be the point of it all? They say a mind is a terrible thing to
waste. What real advantage is it to have something so useful as a human
mind if it's only going to die and stop working after many years of learning
and experience? And what real advantage is it for the mind of the present to
make the world a better place for the next generation of minds if the mind of
the present doesn't live to see it? That's really no more significant an
existence than that of the individuals in a bee hive or a termite colony.
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