Understanding God’s election

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Cameron143 said:
The seed of the woman is Christ. No one is ever spoken of as in Eve. I believe Adam was saved and in Christ. Same as Eve.
Second, I don't see anyone as a super saint. No reason to make unwarranted attributions. If I don't overly esteem Abraham who has a body of acts, I certainly wouldn't esteem Adam who has a limited number.
As far as God not able to be with sinful enemies, Satan seems to have had access to heaven until shortly before the cross. What do you make of that?
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I agree, having the wiggly one as an advisor to Eve seems to be a stacked deck?
 
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Cameron143 said:
The seed of the woman is Christ. No one is ever spoken of as in Eve. I believe Adam was saved and in Christ. Same as Eve.
Second, I don't see anyone as a super saint. No reason to make unwarranted attributions. If I don't overly esteem Abraham who has a body of acts, I certainly wouldn't esteem Adam who has a limited number.
As far as God not able to be with sinful enemies, Satan seems to have had access to heaven until shortly before the cross. What do you make of that?
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You can also add, why did the fruit of the tree of knowledge look so good?
 
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I think it can be reasonably inferred that Adam had full knowledge of the gospel. He was one sin away from perfection and had the mind of God. He was god-like and the greatest man who has ever existed besides Christ. God would have revealed the gospel to him in vivid detail. That revelation was passed down among the sons of God until Abraham was able to receive it from Noah and/or Shem, who lived not far from where Abraham journeyed to from Mesopotamia. That is why Abraham had such remarkable faith.
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Having known the nature of the Lord from his previous sinless state, gave Adam the advantage of having no hesitation to wanting to be restored to what he had lost in relationship to the Lord.

In contrast to Adam. Man is born into a world of lies that will distract and draw one away from seeking the Lord immediately.
Adam immediately wanted to be right back in the Lord's realm = faith = giving him imputed righteousness.
 
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Rufus said:
You twisted my words around. I didn't ask about what Abraham but what Adam received. Did Adam received Christ's imputed righteousness as Abraham did? Then give me chapter and verse.
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Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more,
having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Jesus was the messiah and all the Patriarchs were seeking the messiah, even Adam.

Abraham looked forward to Jesus.

John 8:56
Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day, and he saw it and rejoiced.

The only name under heaven by which anyone can be saved across time.
 
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You can also add, why did the fruit of the tree of knowledge look so good?
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Possibly, when the Lord used to teach them in the Garden, Adam may have noticed how enthralled Eve was with the Lord's knowledge and wisdom.

Upon hearing, that he, too, could gain such a state of "knowing" by simply eating the fruit?

The rest is history...
 
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Genez said:
Possibly, when the Lord used to teach them in the Garden, Adam may have noticed how enthralled Eve was with the Lord's knowledge and wisdom.

Upon hearing, that he, too, could gain such a state of "knowing" by simply eating the fruit?

The rest is history...
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Is the fruit of either tree a metaphor?

What was the fruit on the tree of life?
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
He was perfect for what he was. Suggesting less is denigrating God's work.
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Adam was flesh and blood and never perfect.

Jesus was perfect and offered the perfect sacrifice.

Looking at Jesus you have reverence, worship.

Looking at Adam is very different.
 
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That btw is the significance of the number 7, ie, perfection. The 7th day was holy because it glorified God through the perfection of his work, ie, it was perfect the first time, no rework necessary
 
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What was the fruit on the tree of life?
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The Tree of Life made you able to never age.
Always remaining as you are at the moment you ate of it.
They were free to eat of it as long as their bodies remained unfallen.

That is why they had to be cut off from having access after they fell....
For, God knew that their bodies had to die to what they had just fallen into.

If God were to ever resurrect them, with the new everlasting body?
The original bodies (now fallen) needed to die.
The Tree of Life would have prevented their physical deaths.
 
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Genez said:
The Tree of Life made you able to never age.
Always remaining as you are at the moment you ate of it.
They were free to eat of it as long as their bodies remained unfallen.

That is why they had to be cut off from having access after they fell....
For, God knew that their bodies had to die to what they had just fallen into.

If God were to ever resurrect them, with the new everlasting body?
The original bodies (now fallen) needed to die.
The Tree of Life would have prevented their physical deaths.
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How many types of fruit were on the tree of life?
 
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brightfame52 said:
Go learn the difference between a human being and a animal or bird
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That has zero to do with you saying Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life before being banished from the garden. Unfortunately, you are not honest enough to admit that it is an assumption you have made, illogical at that, and rather than simply fessing up that what you claim is nowhere in Scripture, you resort to fabrications, red herrings, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations instead.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That btw is the significance of the number 7, ie, perfection. The 7th day was holy because it glorified God through the perfection of his work, ie, it was perfect the first time, no rework necessary
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A common idea that's been around for ever.

The text does not say 'perfect'.

The word 'good' is used many times in Genesis 1.

Genesis 1:12
The earth produced vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their kind, and trees bearing fruit
with seed in them, according to their kind; and God saw that it was good.

The word 'perfect' is never used in Genesis.

Most of the Old Testament was a mere shadow and was fulfilled by Christ.

Christ generated a completely new creation and this time around it is perfect.
 
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Magenta said:
That has zero to do with you saying Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life before being banished from the garden. Unfortunately, you are not honest enough to admit that it is an assumption you have made, illogical at that, and rather than simply fessing up that what you claim is nowhere in Scripture, you resort to fabrications, red herrings, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations instead.
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Me no cross you Magenta.

What a heavy handed blow that was, fabrications, red herrings, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations.

Ever thought of going into politics?
 
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A common idea that's been around for ever.

The text does not say 'perfect'.

The word 'good' is used many times in Genesis 1.

Genesis 1:12
The earth produced vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their kind, and trees bearing fruit
with seed in them, according to their kind; and God saw that it was good.

The word 'perfect' is never used in Genesis.

Most of the Old Testament was a mere shadow and was fulfilled by Christ.

Christ generated a completely new creation and this time around it is perfect.
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You're thinking in terms of spiritual perfection. I talking about creational perfection
 
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