Understanding God’s election

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This sounds exactly like what I describe on here every day. It's amazing how the truth lines up with His word so well. There is really only 1 part of this we disagree on when we break it down. how is it we are even able to obey His word? I say it's 100% Gods power that dives us this ability, His Spirit that indwells us and guides us to all truth. I do not believe this event and rebirth is something that can be reversed. I do NOT believe we obey by our power at all, that's why we are told it's impossible for those of the flesh to please God.

You seem to believe in a cosmic probation where our obedience is what saves us in the end that makes it works based. Why you can't seem to "get" this I really don't understand. I actually think I do understand but it's just not an argument anyone buy God can open your eyes to. It just doesn't seem like you know the Spirit he way you argue everything.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

Honestly look at our conversations, of the two of us, who seems to have their mind set on the things of the Spirit, and who thinks more of the things of the flesh, like the law, obedience, and being good enough to warrant salvation? I'm just saying that you seem to think very much like I did when I was not really saved and just liked the "idea" of Jesus.
Da question is: why not "Da answer Jesus is?" :^)
 

Rufus

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Moses was quoting God.

You present yourself as a Theologian and you are not familiar with the origin to part of Peter's recited purpose?
And you present yourself as a Christian who is supposed to love and rejoice with God's truth, yet you cannot or will not answer a simple question in an honest, straightforward manner pertaining to 2Pet 3:9?
 

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Translate: How can I give you a proof text that isn't in scripture?
Rufus is awake. My day has begun. Correct. Most of what you say is not in Scripture, so it's tough to proof-text what you make up. Though it doesn't seem to stop you from trying. Amazing how God made His Word so malleable for our entertainment.
 

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Rufus is awake. My day has begun. Correct. Most of what you say is not in Scripture, so it's tough to proof-text what you make up. Though it doesn't seem to stop you from trying. Amazing how God made His Word so malleable for our entertainment.
All five Doctrines of Grace are taught throughout scripture.
 
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As I said, thank God for His malleable word.
You manipulate it beyond recognition.


We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
 
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Translated: full of biblical truth about volition.
Give me one verse that speaks of the natural man using his free will while under the power and influence of the evil one, taken captive to the will of the devil, to choose to believe with his incurably wicked heart that which is foolishness to him, while he is hostile in his mind toward God, opposed to spiritual things which he can neither receive nor comprehend, a slave to sin, lover of darkness, and suppressing the truth in unrighteousness??? I have yet to see even ONE. All your talk about volition has no Biblical support at all. Zero!
 
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Discussions about scripture is a good thing it is. I just think once you get all doctoral thesis on it. Especially with others who dont think like you then it becomes like Jesus said "you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel"
 
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Discussions about scripture is a good thing it is. I just think once you get all doctoral thesis on it. Especially with
others who dont think like you then it becomes like Jesus said "you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel"
There certainly are some in here who swing their dips around. I for one am not impressed.
 

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Discussions about scripture is a good thing it is. I just think once you get all doctoral thesis on it. Especially with others who dont think like you then it becomes like Jesus said "you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel"
At the end of all this, I do think the weightier matters at least remain significantly intact.
 
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At the end of all this, I do think the weightier matters at least remain significantly intact.
You refuse to even acknowledge some of them, and you stand opposed to others. Intact? Good of
you to acknowledge that your denials of Scripture truth do not even amount to a hill of beans.



2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Jude 1:3 contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Acts 13:48 all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 16:14 The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message. John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6:37a Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion. Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him. Romans 12:3b think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 2 Timothy 2:25b hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Isaiah 65:1 “I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me." God foreknew, chose, predestined, and saved us.
 

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Translated: full of biblical truth about volition.
And even more biblical truth about the human heart that is inconvenient for you.

And quit with dumb straw men already! I know I exercised my will when I believed the gospel; for on that day God graciously made me willing. I was like Baalam in that I could not refuse the truth and had to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God did not bring me to the point of delivery (new birth) only to leave me hanging high and dry. Or did God leave Sarah high and dry and not fulfill his promise to Abraham through her? Or did God bring her to the point of delivery AND open her womb so that she could conceive?
 

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Give me one verse that speaks of the natural man using his free will while under the power and influence of the evil one, taken captive to the will of the devil, to choose to believe with his incurably wicked heart that which is foolishness to him, while he is hostile in his mind toward God, opposed to spiritual things which he can neither receive nor comprehend, a slave to sin, lover of darkness, and suppressing the truth in unrighteousness??? I have yet to see even ONE. All your talk about volition has no Biblical support at all. Zero!
Give our resident idolater time to answer. He's burning incense, praying to and is bowed down at the altar of his god human volition. Studier is patiently waiting for an answer.
 

Rufus

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This is what happens when you shred scripture down to its last atom and try to analyze it. Why cant grace just be grace lol.
Because many here cannot agree even on the definition of grace. One person defined grace as God's "patience", making God totally a passive spectator in man's salvation.