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Roughsoul1991 said:
I hear about good stuff all the time but I am connected to police news and have police friends. It happens all the time. But the good stuff doesn't sell as good as bad within the news. Plus you have to account if the media has an agenda.
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I know, And Trump has supplied us with plenty if that Lol... November 3rd can't come soon enough.
Can't wait!
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
I hear about good stuff all the time but I am connected to police news and have police friends. It happens all the time. But the good stuff doesn't sell as good as bad within the news. Plus you have to account if the media has an agenda.
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What are you talking about. Police men shaking hands and giving the protester's hug's in
response of this. I thought that was pretty cool!
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Here is another study from the National Academy of Sciences.

"We did not find evidence for anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparity in police use of force across all shootings, and, if anything, found anti-White disparities when controlling for race-specific crime. While racial disparity did vary by type of shooting, no one type of shooting showed significant anti-Black or -Hispanic disparity. The uncertainty around these estimates highlights the need for more data before drawing conclusions about disparities in specific types of shootings."

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877
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Yeah, that is all good and well but, these protest's are for the most recent killing.
Over a pack of cigarettes? How is this justified? I mean really? They new what was going to happen. It happens every time. How could they think that this time would be different. Do they think that Trump has their back? He's going to pardon them? LOL...
 
JamOn said:
In Minnesota the four police officers involved was, white, black, Latino, Asian that is about as diverse group of police officers you can get.
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Why did the other three fail to get the rotten apple (who was white) off the suspect immediately? Were they all a part of this murder?
 
I don’t think we should turn this into whether there’s racism within law enforcement or not. Law enforcement is a reflection of society, and will as a rule be as racist/non racist as the rest of society.

This means that we can’t isolate these incidents and find reasons to show that this hadn’t anything to do with racism.

My point is that there’s been so many incidents over decades and centuries that is building up. The question is why a single incident like the one in Minneapolis can be the spark that ignites a riot.

Would a society of solid justice start rioting like this? Would people feeling like they had been treated fairly be rioting like this?
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Why did the other three fail to get the rotten apple (who was white) off the suspect immediately? Were they all a part of this murder?
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I’ve heard that the second examination shows the force of the other two officers the black cop and the Latino cop was holding him down as well kneeing on his back with weight limiting chest compression breathing and the white cop kneeing on the neck so basically he was smothered by three cops and the Asian cop was keeping people back.

Sounds like accessory to murder to me, that charge happens all the time among people who assist or allow someone to kill another person.
 
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Susanna said:
I don’t think we should turn this into whether there’s racism within law enforcement or not. Law enforcement is a reflection of society, and will as a rule be as racist/non racist as the rest of society.

This means that we can’t isolate these incidents and find reasons to show that this hadn’t anything to do with racism.

My point is that there’s been so many incidents over decades and centuries that is building up. The question is why a single incident like the one in Minneapolis can be the spark that ignites a riot.

Would a society of solid justice start rioting like this? Would people feeling like they had been treated fairly be rioting like this?
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The reason we study the data is to determine what is an accurate belief in relation to the police. You are hearing the extremes like the police themselves are racist or America, in general, is racist.

But did we have good data to come to such conclusions? Isolated events don't necessarily mean the whole system is deemed worthy to be burnt down.

I agree any civil structure will reflect society but we cannot pick and choose what to judge in less we judge it all together. Out of 1000s of police incidents a day how come we only hear about when something goes bad and does the bad actually have evidence to put the blame on the police officer. My question is do the facts support this kind of outcry? The damage, the civilian murders, innocent police beatings, stealing, burning other people's property, etc. Is the police system statistically that bad?

Would a society of solid justice start rioting like this? Would people feeling like they had been treated fairly be rioting like this?
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Well under investigation the FBI is starting to see a trend. Paid protesters to disrupt the peaceful protest. This is an old communist tactic. There is a bigger agenda at hand.
 
There is a movement against “hatred” in this country that has gone globally. In the sixties there was a movement for civil rights. This movement against “hatred” has crossed over into every nationality, ethnicity, and gender. It can not be stopped because the Lord is pouring out His Spirit in these last days of LOVE. 1 Cor. 13:13, 1 Peter 4:8
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
The reason we study the data is to determine what is an accurate belief in relation to the police. You are hearing the extremes like the police themselves are racist or America, in general, is racist.

But did we have good data to come to such conclusions? Isolated events don't necessarily mean the whole system is deemed worthy to be burnt down.

I agree any civil structure will reflect society but we cannot pick and choose what to judge in less we judge it all together. Out of 1000s of police incidents a day how come we only hear about when something goes bad and does the bad actually have evidence to put the blame on the police officer. My question is do the facts support this kind of outcry? The damage, the civilian murders, innocent police beatings, stealing, burning other people's property, etc. Is the police system statistically that bad?



Well under investigation the FBI is starting to see a trend. Paid protesters to disrupt the peaceful protest. This is an old communist tactic. There is a bigger agenda at hand.
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First of all, I’m not criticizing the police. I’m criticizing society. I’ve been in law enforcement since the 1990s, and things have changed for the better since then. But that goes for law enforcement, not for society. I have seen the flip side of society for more than two decades now, and it’s a pretty ugly sight.

Society is far more polarized and divided now. There needs to be changes in society. The way we are creating a class of people that is permanently on welfare is destabilizing the country.

The majority of people in a society will always deny the existence of racism because they have never been subject to it.
 
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Susanna said:
First of all, I’m not criticizing the police. I’m criticizing society. I’ve been in law enforcement since the 1990s, and things have changed for the better since then. But that goes for law enforcement, not for society. I have seen the flip side of society for more than two decades now, and it’s a pretty ugly sight.

Society is far more polarized and divided now. There needs to be changes in society. The way we are creating a class of people that is permanently on welfare is destabilizing the country.

The majority of people in a society will always deny the existence of racism because they have never been subject to it.
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I agree. Of course there will always be needed improvements to anything involving humans as our sinful nature will never allow complete perfection. Unfortunately civilizations tend to rise in a progressive trend towards the improvement of life within the society but after while they begin to regress into collapse. Are we at that point? Idk. But we have came a long way in light speed of only 244 years compared to other countries and ancient civilizations.

Unfortunately, the change we want to see in society is also divided. The welfare system is the modern-day slavery and abortion the modern-day lynching. But many in the divide want to continue in such slavery. Dependent on the hand to feed them. Just as the Israelites out of slavery complained and thought slavery was better than their freedom. But it is that same slavery that is the oppressor and keeps these places in poverty. Flood in the drugs to numb the mind. Drugs brings in crime. Further laws that force kids to go to certain schools further alienated these communities. Be lenient on illegal immigrants who flood to crime infested cities. Place a liquor, tobacco, and gamble machine store on almost every corner. Do everything possible to keep them drugged, addicted, and oppressed.

Then blame it on someone else. Blame the majority, the rich, the middle class, capitalism, America.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
I been studying research studies on police and racial disparities. Here is one from MSU.edu.

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot," Cesario said. "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police. So, the more black citizens there are in a community, the more black police officers there are.”

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the-truth-behind-racial-disparities-in-fatal-police-shootings/

I believe we should be looking at the data and not just the media. This is a ongoing study in which some of you may want to add your own research. We need facts not opinions.

Another question would be what has contributed to these high crime areas. Welfare? Drug cartels Fentanyl ( other drugs) release within our country, poor assimilation, etc.
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I agree fully that we need facts not opinions. Statistics are a good source of information but can also be subjective. Have you ever seen “The Eye of the Storm”? Jane Elliot became famous as a third grade school teacher by conducting an experiment with her class in 1970. The point is that statistics may form bigotry. If you tell a group of poor, black children their chances of crime and prison is a statistical fact then in their mind it’s almost like it’s their destiny. Belief precedes action, always. This is why if you think you are a sinner who is forgiven and that you will always sin, then you will. If you believe you are a new creation, a child of God who has died to the flesh and sin has no grip on you, then you won’t. It’s psychology 101. Belief is huge in how we think and act.
 
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Hungry said:
I agree fully that we need facts not opinions. Statistics are a good source of information but can also be subjective. Have you ever seen “The Eye of the Storm”? Jane Elliot became famous as a third grade school teacher by conducting an experiment with her class in 1970. The point is that statistics may form bigotry. If you tell a group of poor, black children their chances of crime and prison is a statistical fact then in their mind it’s almost like it’s their destiny. Belief precedes action, always. This is why if you think you are a sinner who is forgiven and that you will always sin, then you will. If you believe you are a new creation, a child of God who has died to the flesh and sin has no grip on you, then you won’t. It’s psychology 101. Belief is huge in how we think and act.
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In less someone has inaccurately gathered the data, then we have facts. They may be facts but you also have to see what contributed to those facts. By talking about the different variables can help save people from the statistics.

On the other hand, just a warning will not be enough without policy change. But yes I agree.
 
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