Valley of the dry bones - Ezekiel 37:1-10

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Aerials1978

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We know the vision the Lord gave to Ezekiel of dry bones becoming flesh, but the phrase "A vast Army" has always been a mystery to me. Is this a literal army or an allegory of the Children of Israel coming back to spiritual life?

 
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Hi Aerials, I believe this makes a case for resurrection of the dead. Also, possibly the reference to "vast army" is in contrast to what was said prior, that Almighty would send a sword upon Israel and scatter their bones. ( in chapter 6 ?) There was a fierce battle, resulting in the scattered bones.
 

p_rehbein

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Talk with Posthuman, he's an expert on "dry bones."

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Nehemiah6

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Talk with Posthuman, he's an expert on "dry bones."

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Has anyone identified the humerus in this skeleton's arms? Or should we just be humerous?

Getting back to the OP, it is about the resurrection of redeemed and restored Israel after the Second Coming of Christ. There will indeed a vast army of believing Jews gathered to Israel at that time.
 

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Can't agree with your eschatology at all, Nehemiah!

There is only one Kingdom of God, one family of God, and one way of salvation. There is no Plan B for the Jews. We must preach to them before Jesus returns, just like every other kindred and nation.
 
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He gives us the answer in the following verses

Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’

notice this is exactly what alot of the church says about Israel today, they ar cut off. If you look, their city and temple is in ruins, they too say they are cut off. But son,in the time of jacobs trouble that will get even worse. As they will have to flee again


12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

This is when Israel as a nation repents, when they will do, they will have as many as armies, and no longer be weak and without hope, and remember, later it says Christ himself will be king over them and all the earth as the earth will be in peace,
 
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Can't agree with your eschatology at all, Nehemiah!

There is only one Kingdom of God, one family of God, and one way of salvation. There is no Plan B for the Jews. We must preach to them before Jesus returns, just like every other kindred and nation.
Can’t agree with you completely

no one said there was a pan B for the Jews, salvation has and always will be by grace through faith, that does not change,

that’s not the context of this passage,

the context is God opening the eyes of a nation, their repentance, and they passing from death to life, (the same spiritual resurrection I received when I was born again) and because of this, the whole house of Israel which was destroyed by Assyria and eventually Rome, being restored to their land as one nation.
 

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We know the vision the Lord gave to Ezekiel of dry bones becoming flesh, but the phrase "A vast Army" has always been a mystery to me. Is this a literal army or an allegory of the Children of Israel coming back to spiritual life?

This prophecy was fulfilled when they returned to their land. And during those day they were great army in comparison when they were persecuted during world war 2, when they do not have an army at all..no land of their own...no hope...
God gave back their life...

But that does not mean they will exceed the army of russia, america during those days.
 
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This prophecy was fulfilled when they returned to their land. And during those day they were great army in comparison when they were persecuted during world war 2, when they do not have an army at all..no land of their own...no hope...
God gave back their life...

But that does not mean they will exceed the army of russia, america during those days.
They have never returned to their land, their land was and is still left desolate, And even today more people live in the USA than they do In Israel (at least last I checked) they have a pagan dome their city.

ezek says God will restore them completely them AFTER they repent, they also have not repented.
 

watcher2013

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They have never returned to their land, their land was and is still left desolate, And even today more people live in the USA than they do In Israel (at least last I checked) they have a pagan dome their city.

ezek says God will restore them completely them AFTER they repent, they also have not repented.
Eze 38 follows that they are in the land when gog invade them.in the last years.
 
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Eze 38 follows that they are in the land when gog invade them.in the last years.
Yes but they are not restored bro.
they will be restored when they repent
 
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the vision Ezekiel had is directly connected to the prophecy in which God told him to prophesy the rebirth of Israel ...chapter 36..

God clearly states that Israel will be restored to her land under the leadership of "David my servant', a reference to Jesus

Just as God puts His Spirit into us today who believe in Christ, so will He revive a 'dead nation' ... in one day and that has happened

people who deny that Israel is still the center of God's workings on this earth, either believe Revelation has been fulfilled or partially fulfilled and some believe the destruction of Jerusalem 70 AD, was the fulfillment of the tribulation mentioned in Revelation

seems a miracle can occur right in front of some folks and they will shrug it off and create their own timeline and poo poo anyone who does not believe as they do

this forum has seen its share of preterists and there are still partial preterists making the rounds
 
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This prophecy was fulfilled when they returned to their land. And during those day they were great army in comparison when they were persecuted during world war 2, when they do not have an army at all..no land of their own...no hope...
God gave back their life...

But that does not mean they will exceed the army of russia, america during those days.
I cannot believe the ignorance of some regarding the events just after WWII

it give me goosebumps thinking of what happened and how God brought them back
 
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We know the vision the Lord gave to Ezekiel of dry bones becoming flesh, but the phrase "A vast Army" has always been a mystery to me. Is this a literal army or an allegory of the Children of Israel coming back to spiritual life?
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

The dry bones is the whole house of Israel that has been scattered in to the nations and separated, but the Lord will restore Israel after they have borne their shame for He always restores Israel when they are not abiding by the truth after a certain time period.

For they will come together back in the land of Israel and God will turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

And all the tribes of Israel shall be as one nation again and not separated as 2 kingdoms anymore but all Jews will be together as one kingdom and God will cleanse them from their sins and Israel will never go astray again.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Jer 33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

God has not cast away His people for they are still His people and will restore them.

The ordinances of heaven and earth is still in affect so God has not cast away His people and are with them the same as in the Old Testament when they were in the truth but they temporary lost the kingdom and God was not working with them like He did when they were in the truth but He still had His hand on them so they would not be wiped out and perish altogether.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.

Salvation is of the Jews and when a Gentile is saved they become a Jew inward and are part of the Commonwealth of Israel.

For the Church does not replace Israel, but Israel is the Church and God is always with them and always has some Jews that are in the truth and will restore them in the future in the truth.

From Abraham to Israel to the millennial reign of Christ to the new Jerusalem it is all about Israel and all saved people belong to Israel.

Israel is the Church and God will restore them back to the truth as a nation.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The disciples asked Jesus if He would restore the kingdom to them at that time and Jesus said do not worry about it for the Father will do it in His time but go preach the Gospel.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

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Jer 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

God will bring the whole house of Israel back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they will know the LORD their God from that day forward and He will never hide His face from them again which means Israel will always be in the truth and never stray again.

And the heathen will know that the house of Israel went in to captivity because of their iniquity, and they transgressed against God for rejecting Christ and not accepting the truth, but God was always on their side and did not cast them off and did not forsake them.

Which God will make a full end of all Gentile nations their ruling governments but not make a full end of Israel although they will be punished in part for rejecting the truth and the kingdom on earth will be restored to the Jews, Israel.

For Israel must come to the truth for salvation is of the Jews and Israel is the Church and the covenant with them which the Gentiles can be a part of that covenant.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

70 weeks, 490 years, are determined upon Israel to make an end of sins, and bring in everlasting righteousness, and anoint the most holy who is Jesus.

Which the time started before Jesus came for the Jews were not in the truth then for if they had been in the truth the Roman Empire would not of been able to rule over them.

69 weeks has passed with 1 more week to go, 7 years, which is the time that God causes all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom and when they do and take his mark then God will end this sin business on earth, and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Savior.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Which Israel is blinded in part for they acknowledge the Old Testament for the majority but not the New, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in when salvation is no longer available to them, and so all Israel shall be saved.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance on God's part so He is always on Israel's side and will take away their sins.

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1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him and he evolved to be an ascended master and avatar, and do not acknowledge a personal God but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ the final teacher.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats reverence of animals, nature, for they are of the occult, mother earth.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come that the world will want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement which is fables for it is not based in truth but the imagination of people.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom and the New Age Christ.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked.

People say conspiracy this and conspiracy that, and one world government, and New World Order, but the new age movement is the agenda and conspiracy and that is what they are trying to establish in the world to produce the New Age Christ so they can evolve to be greater and spiritual.

But they believe the New Age Christ will not help them to work for peace on earth and evolve until the nations come together as one and try to work for peace on earth.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will see to it and cause it to happen and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The Jews will rebuild their temple and go back to animal sacrifices for they are still blinded in part with no hassle from the Palestinians, and the Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

The Gentile nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth and the 7 years period will begin.

For the first three and one half years repentance and salvation are still available to the world.

The world will operate by the 10 horn kingdom the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which America, Canada, and Mexico will probably be 1 nation.

The new age movement will be the religious system and anything taught contrary to it will not be tolerated and a hate crime for they are saying it is not the truth and they want peace, which they stop the preaching of the Gospel and the time the world want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

The 10 horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace with the problems they faced which the religion of Islam rebelled against the world for they hindered them preaching their religion and spreading it which that war was so terrible that the world turned to the New Age Christ as the solution.

At the end of the first three and one half years the falling away first happened, and the transgressors have come to the full then a king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up and deceive all people that do not love God which all people that do not love the truth shall be given strong delusion to follow the beast.

When the world follows the beast and takes his mark then repentance and salvation is no longer available to the world and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God will then turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior by 2 witnesses for the last three and one half years, and the Jews that know the truth will preach to the Jews that do not understand the truth and at the end of the three and one half years Israel will be in the truth and the 70th week fulfilled.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives(the place Jesus was standing when He ascended up which the 2 men said He will return the same way), which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The beast and the world go against Jerusalem and go against the Jews and Jesus will come back with the saints and fight the world and save Israel for the Jews will say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord and they will then see Jesus as He saves them.

The kingdom will be restored to Israel and Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon and the heathen shall know that God was always on Israel's side all along.

The house of Israel is the dry bones but in the future they will be dry no more for the kingdom will be restored to Israel and they will be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus came to fulfill the law but He has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth for He came as a humble servant and not to rule and it must be done on earth.

That is what the millennial reign of Christ is about so Jesus can fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and when the millennial reign is over heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints shall go to the new earth and heaven wherein dwells righteousness where sin has never been and sin will never be, and the former earth shall not be remembered, nor come to mind for it is associated with sin and rebellion.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the new Jerusalem and that is because it is all about Israel.

From Abraham to Israel to the millennial reign of Christ to the new Jerusalem it is all about Israel.

Israel is the Church so God had to turn them to the truth and restore them which He always restores them.
 
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Read it again...its a progressive prophecy..
The first part has no condition...bringing them back into the land...
so God restors them before they repent?