Vatican declares halloween evil

[pastac]

What do you mean talking and hearing only Blain? I don't hear the Lord with my hears I listen with my heart and if and when he places on my heart that Halloween is truly evil and not to celebrate it or give out candy to kids dressing up I will obey but because others say its evil I should believe the same thing? He has always shown me and taught me what to do and what not to do and believe me I am very open to his rebuke but I always go to him to confirm things for me. I made a thread so that we can debate in the correct forum, its in the bible discussion forum

Blain don't miss the point trying to prove a point. How does the Lord speak to you, or me or anyone else? In his word of course. In his creation of course, by His word used in selected men yes, by a donkey it has been done. All I am stating is that at 22 Blain you have yet to get a full understanding of this very wicked and complex world system heck some of us are still trying to figure this monster out and it is a monster. That is not to say that many other older folks have it all together either.

But by the simple process of life and spiritual growth some are able to speak on a wise level to things you may not have experienced just yet. The origin of halloween you need to seek for yourself if that is your biggest issue.

Don't take the word of a donkey if you choose not to it doesn't meant that what the donkey said is incorrect. Only when the eyes of the man were opened he saw what the donkey saw even after the donkey told him. Just a thought,

And for the record debates are rarely calm usually filled with strife and self absorbed positions by your words Blain alone you admit that you wanted us to debate well the debate you wanted you got. Someone in the debate will always have different opinions rarely is a debate a draw and someone looses.

 

[jkalyna]

If you have a problem with the Catholic church and want to specify your reasons, go to the bible forum. This was and is the News forum, of an article. Reading your stuff, was like watching a horrible movie, and I rebuke your words in Jesus name, that they leave my spirit, now and don't return, as I put the blood of Christ over my mind, spirit soul, and body, and forbid the unclean spirits, to cross that line.

 

[Nautilus]

Sounds like your a name it and claim it catholic...odd mix.

Anyways this thread really just has me excited for tomorrow now. Some friends and I have for the past two years thrown a huge block party for halloween with multiple live bands. This years seems to be equally awesome so far.

 

[jkalyna]

As born again believers, as myself, we pray only to the Father, who only is able to forgive us, heal us, and deliver us, and only Jesus Christ, stands between God and Us. Learn to love others, this is a fruit of the spirit, saying this about them is saying you hate everyone who is a catholic, which is a sin, a sin God calls murder, if you hate your brother, then you are a murderer in your heart. Take it to the altar.

 

[Blain]

If you have a problem with the Catholic church and want to specify your reasons, go to the bible forum. This was and is the News forum, of an article. Reading your stuff, was like watching a horrible movie, and I rebuke your words in Jesus name, that they leave my spirit, now and don't return, as I put the blood of Christ over my mind, spirit soul, and body, and forbid the unclean spirits, to cross that line.

are you speaking to me or someone else? I notice you don't debate in a very loving manner, true enough I was wrong about Halloween as I did research on it but you have shown hostility in your words especially to me. In your zeal you have to still be able to debate in a loving manner or else you bring no glory to God. For instance I admit that when you responded to me in such a hostile way I could feel anger burning inside me but I said to myself I will not allow this anger to control me I will respond in and and will be love and the second I did this the anger disappeared and I felt compassion for you.

 

[jkalyna]

are you speaking to me or someone else? I notice you don't debate in a very loving manner, true enough I was wrong about Halloween as I did research on it but you have shown hostility in your words especially to me. In your zeal you have to still be able to debate in a loving manner or else you bring no glory to God. For instance I admit that when you responded to me in such a hostile way I could feel anger burning inside me but I said to myself I will not allow this anger to control me I will respond in and and will be love and the second I did this the anger disappeared and I felt compassion for you.

That's wonderful glad for you, and no it wasn't to you, but your the same in what you just said, so any thing different. Forgive so you shall be forgiven, you just don't like me that's all admit it. lol

 

[jkalyna]

That's wonderful glad for you, and no it wasn't to you, but your the same in what you just said, so any thing different. Forgive so you shall be forgiven, you just don't like me that's all admit it. lol

I'll give you a bottle of bubbles and hope you have fun. YOu could blow some love bubbles out.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

I'm not a fan of Halloween and I admit I never have been. Since becoming a Christian I'm uneasy with it and it's origins. Satan is rubbing his hands with glee at how society has made it acceptable - even to the extent of 4/5yr olds dressing up and calling at people's doors begging (which is what it is) for sweets/candy, some people give just to keep the peace. The Bible speaks in many places about witchcraft, sorcery and all things evil. Oh and BTW Satan is also rubbing his hands with glee at how he has Christians falling out with each other over this.

 

[jkalyna]

I'll give you a bottle of bubbles and hope you have fun. YOu could blow some love bubbles out.

Well Blain we are different I could wear lipstick you can't.

 

[jkalyna]

I'm not a fan of Halloween and I admit I never have been. Since becoming a Christian I'm uneasy with it and it's origins. Satan is rubbing his hands with glee at how society has made it acceptable - even to the extent of 4/5yr olds dressing up and calling at people's doors begging (which is what it is) for sweets/candy, some people give just to keep the peace. The Bible speaks in many places about witchcraft, sorcery and all things evil. Oh and BTW Satan is also rubbing his hands with glee at how he has Christians falling out with each other over this.

Very truthfully said. Bickering, back biting, and devoring one another, I hope we all repent at the end of the day, and make it better for tomorrow. sorry blain if I sound hard lifes not a game, there's no one to blame.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I think this thread is nothing more than self righteous judgment. Quite frankly the unchristian attitudes in this thread and the fighting is scarier than any Disney princess or zombie showing up at my door for candy. People spend too much time pointing fingers at how others are wrong and can't seem to look in the mirror to reflect on their wrongdoing.
FYI, not celebrating halloween doesn't mean you're a godly person. Gloating about how righteous you are and how much more holy you are bc you don't recognized an over commercialized holiday isn't a proper Christian attitude either.

 

[Ugly]

Uh oh, Elizabeth is back in town. You're all in trouble now!

 

[Elizabeth619]

Uh oh, Elizabeth is back in town. You're all in trouble now!

Lol. Nah, I can't sleep. Ate too much halloween candy. Sugar high.

 

[RickyZ]

I think this thread is nothing more than self righteous judgment. Quite frankly the unchristian attitudes in this thread and the fighting is scarier than any Disney princess or zombie showing up at my door for candy. People spend too much time pointing fingers at how others are wrong and can't seem to look in the mirror to reflect on their wrongdoing.
FYI, not celebrating halloween doesn't mean you're a godly person. Gloating about how righteous you are and how much more holy you are bc you don't recognized an over commercialized holiday isn't a proper Christian attitude either.

Amen to this

 

[RickyZ]

Wow... uhm, if I may step into the fray midstream

This goes back to the whole Great pumpkin/Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/tooth Fairy debate. These all have worldly origins and we are not to chase after the things of the world. In it not of it, as it is. But that's a law item, and while still a valid guideline for today we are not under it. For, as the story goes on to say, we are free to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Under Christ it is what is in the heart and not the stomach that matters. So what's in your heart? What's in your mind? Can you eat the meat of idols with a clear conscious in Christ? Or does it make you stumble and fall? If our eating makes one stumble then yes we are to abstain. So I guess that means that little girl can't wear her princess dress to her party. What a buzz-kill.

Hebrews 5:14 - But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to discern good from evil.

Matthew 15:17-20 - 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

If we are on solid food we can eat the meat without bowing to - or being befouled by - the idol it was given to.

 

[pastac]

Rickyz that is a great set of points if it was as simple as you point out but it is not. The word in context teaches what you say yes! But an in-depth understanding even teaches further that by the renewing of our minds we walk after the things like Christ.
The Bible says so a man thinketh in his heart so is he so if you think you are right then that makes you right? It doesn't make you right according to God ways only your own ways lead by your heart. Now if the word says that the heart above all things is desperately wicked how can I trust it and how it feels about anything? I can't.
I have to trust that Jesus replaces my heart with his heart and replaces my mind with his mind so I understand like him feel like him move like him.
I believe all people who support anything they believe in have a hard time letting go. That is how sin is for us all. We get used to the hoopla and the desensitizing we have been accustomed to has us blinded by some real clear truths yet to be revealed to many.

That is why it is so important that we share with our brothers and sisters. Some are weak, strong, new, unlearned, stubborn, disobedient, but they are our family still. Me I tell the truth pray for them love them and keep it moving. Its not that easy either.
I truly believe nobody here wants to dress up like a zombie or dragon or pirate or even a princess and talk face to face with Jesus from behind any mask or fake costume calling that ok.
If so then something is terribly wrong with that thought process. All are free to choose who to follow and how. If people want to water down the word to hold onto their pet beliefs they have a right to.

And if Jesus wants to judge it he has a right too !Light has no fellowship with darkness none at all. None at all. Let not your good be evil spoken of. Come out from among them and be ye separate says the Lord.
Come on now a fly in the ointment is still a fly in the ointment. A little candy wont hurt some scream. Tell the teeth that. A little candy wont hurt tell the scripture that says a little leaven(candy, sin, deception, ect) leavens (disrupts, defiles, affects ,infects, spoils) the whole loaf. Just What is in my heart. Peace to you.

 

[pastac]

I think this thread is nothing more than self righteous judgment. Quite frankly the unchristian attitudes in this thread and the fighting is scarier than any Disney princess or zombie showing up at my door for candy. People spend too much time pointing fingers at how others are wrong and can't seem to look in the mirror to reflect on their wrongdoing.
FYI, not celebrating halloween doesn't mean you're a godly person. Gloating about how righteous you are and how much more holy you are bc you don't recognized an over commercialized holiday isn't a proper Christian attitude either.

Many see what they want to see even looking at the same thing! I see it as brothers, sisters, family being family with all the components of family nothing more nothing less. I don't see self righteousness or anything judgmental. The rest of the stuff you said is only your opinion based on what you see no different from anyone else's. I see no attitudes except folks getting upset over what they don't want to hear or like to hear either way its all ok If we are family we stand by one another through it all.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Many see what they want to see even looking at the same thing! I see it as brothers, sisters, family being family with all the components of family nothing more nothing less. I don't see self righteousness or anything judgmental. The rest of the stuff you said is only your opinion based on what you see no different from anyone else's. I see no attitudes except folks getting upset over what they don't want to hear or like to hear either way its all ok If we are family we stand by one another through it all.

Being called a heathen and a satanist is not judgmental or self-righteous? Maybe you need to look up the meanings of those two words then..? Name-calling is childish and unnecessary and makes people look and sound ignorant.. I'm not referring to you personally, just everyone in general..

 

[twofeet]

Being a Christian is about being submitted and obedient to God. As holloween is not mentioned in the bible it is one of those things you seek the Lord on personally and be obedient to his leading. Many churches in the UK have light parties on Holloween, focusing more on how light shines in the darkness rather than darkness being celebrated (to the pure in heart all things are pure). Me personally, the last time I celebrated Halloween was the year before I became a Christian (over 30 years ago), and Ive also raised my kids not to celebrate it. Not because the bible says so but because my Lord lead me not to. Would I judge someone who celebrates it? No, I think not! As long as each person is being obedient to the Lord (not trying to justify what they do themselves) then its all good!

 

[pastac]

Being called a heathen and a satanist is not judgmental or self-righteous? Maybe you need to look up the meanings of those two words then..? Name-calling is childish and unnecessary and makes people look and sound ignorant.. I'm not referring to you personally, just everyone in general..

You know you said something that stuck with me,I know who I serve. If this is true and I believe most do serve the Lord in some capacity then heathen and Satanist are no worse than sinner, viper, dog, serpent all words used by Jesus or his disciples. Many words are in the Bible satirist in some capacity as is heathen so no big deal for me personally. No need for me to look up the words I have clear understanding of. Words have power true but not unless we give it to them.