Verse for "once saved always saved"?

[John146]

You do have a problem don’t you? How can you ignore the following scripture? Did the bible that was rewritten to accommodate sinners change this scripture also?

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

Also have you seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God?

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

May be your rewritten bible deleted the above scripture.

I thought you used the KJV? Why quoting from the perverted NIV?

 

[Johnlove]

I thought you used the KJV? Why quoting from the perverted NIV?

You have an opinion, but do you realize that King James was a pedophile, and an evil person. He was able to decide what the KJV said.
Yet the scripture quoted by me will not say anything differently than what is said in the KJV, It will also say a sinner is of the devil.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I show you scripture that tells you that you are wrong, and shows you that the scripture you quoted does not say what you claim. Yet you can keep on denying the truth.

Thats why we can not communicate.

I showed you scripture which proved you wrong, And you keep denying truth.

thus we are at a stalemate.

The only difference is I proved in language as it was used where you have not proved anything

 

[Johnlove]

Thats why we can not communicate.

I showed you scripture which proved you wrong, And you keep denying truth.

thus we are at a stalemate.

The only difference is I proved in language as it was used where you have not proved anything

You have never showed me scripture that proved me wrong. If you did then scripture contradicts its self. Show me that scripture if you can.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have never showed me scripture that proved me wrong. If you did then scripture contradicts its self. Show me that scripture if you can.

your right, but scripture does contradict if we interpret it the way you do. You can not reconcile your interpretation with John 1 as it is written, You have to do what I have I tried to show you that you do and rewrite part of John 1, or ignore it altogether.

 

[Amellinialman]

What is this faulty premise "once saved always saved." What bogus theologian coined this term.? Are we eternally secure or not. Will not Christ completely the work in us that he began. Listen my friends, bickering on a faulty premise that has no logical conclusion is a waste of time.

 

[Johnlove]

your right, but scripture does contradict if we interpret it the way you do. You can not reconcile your interpretation with John 1 as it is written, You have to do what I have I tried to show you that you do and rewrite part of John 1, or ignore it altogether.

No! The scripture you refer to says, in the way you read it, that one is a liar if he or she says they have no sin. So in your understanding that scripture only says one is a liar, if they say they have no sin. If one who does not sin, in your understanding, and does not say they no longer sin then they are not lying. You believe one can’t say they don’t sin is that not right? Because if they do they are lying. No one who does not sin in your opinion is not lying if they don’t tell anyone.

You read John 1 to say that a Child of God is a liar if he or she says they no longer sin. Apostle John says a Child of God cannot sin. John also says if one sin they do not know God.

So tell me how (John 1) says a Christian sins.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

You also never acknowledged how your rewritten bible explained away the following scripture.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

But then again you need to ignore what I say in my post the same way you ignore what scripture say in order to believe you are going to heaven even if you sin.

By the way it is not expected by me that anything I say will help you see the truth. My continuing to communicate with you is done so I can anticipate the dumb answers I might receive from those in the churches that Jesus will have me tell.

 

[Budman]

By the way it is not expected by me that anything I say will help you see the truth. My continuing to communicate with you is done so I can anticipate the dumb answers I might receive from those in the churches that Jesus will have me tell.

My, my.....so full of pride and self-importance.

Oh, and btw, you still sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By the way it is not expected by me that anything I say will help you see the truth. My continuing to communicate with you is done so I can anticipate the dumb answers I might receive from those in the churches that Jesus will have me tell.

removed please don't make it personal

 

[Amellinialman]

He who without sin let him cast the first stone. Go and sin no more. Does that mean we will never sin again after conversion? Hardly, sin is always crouching at our door. He who does not struggle well loosen up your halo cause it is choking you. Do you get angry with you brother, yes, you commit muder in your heart. This "once saved always saved" controversy is legalism.

 

[CS1]

No! The scripture you refer to says, in the way you read it, that one is a liar if he or she says they have no sin. So in your understanding that scripture only says one is a liar, if they say they have no sin. If one who does not sin, in your understanding, and does not say they no longer sin then they are not lying. You believe one can’t say they don’t sin is that not right? Because if they do they are lying. No one who does not sin in your opinion is not lying if they don’t tell anyone.

You read John 1 to say that a Child of God is a liar if he or she says they no longer sin. Apostle John says a Child of God cannot sin. John also says if one sin they do not know God.

So tell me how (John 1) says a Christian sins.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

You also never acknowledged how your rewritten bible explained away the following scripture.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

But then again you need to ignore what I say in my post the same way you ignore what scripture say in order to believe you are going to heaven even if you sin.

By the way it is not expected by me that anything I say will help you see the truth. My continuing to communicate with you is done so I can anticipate the dumb answers I might receive from those in the churches that Jesus will have me tell.

maybe a little less confrontational please no need to refer to Dumb ok

 

[CS1]

He who without sin let him cast the first stone. Go and sin no more. Does that mean we will never sin again after conversion? Hardly, sin is always crouching at our door. He who does not struggle well loosen up your halo cause it is choking you. Do you get angry with you brother, yes, you commit muder in your heart. This "once saved always saved" controversy is legalism.

not all anger is murder lol hatred is

 

[Amellinialman]

For give us our trespasses as we forgive those trespass against us. Let Scripture speak for itself. I do not need to quote a whole bunch to make a point. Peter sinned when Paul called him out. Please read Galatians.

 

[Amellinialman]

No, Jesus says "raca" or "you fool" which is the Jewish way of being angry. Culture determines context.

 

[Johnlove]

removed please don't make it personal

No! The scripture you refer to says, in the way you read it, that one is a liar if he or she says they have no sin. So in your understanding that scripture only says one is a liar, if they say they have no sin. If one who does not sin, in your understanding, and does not say they no longer sin then they are not lying. You believe one can’t say they don’t sin is that not right? Because if they do they are lying. No one who does not sin in your opinion is not lying if they don’t tell anyone.

You read John 1 to say that a Child of God is a liar if he or she says they no longer sin. Apostle John says a Child of God cannot sin. John also says if one sin they do not know God.

So tell me how (John 1) says a Christian sins.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

You also never acknowledged how your rewritten bible explained away the following scripture.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

But then again you need to ignore what I say in my post the same way you ignore what scripture say in order to believe you are going to heaven even if you sin.

A sinner is of the devil, and the devil will never enter the kingdom of God, and anyone who is of devil will never go to heaven.

 

[miknik5]

John 5

Do we believe HIS WORD to be TRUTH?

 

[miknik5]

No! The scripture you refer to says, in the way you read it, that one is a liar if he or she says they have no sin. So in your understanding that scripture only says one is a liar, if they say they have no sin. If one who does not sin, in your understanding, and does not say they no longer sin then they are not lying. You believe one can’t say they don’t sin is that not right? Because if they do they are lying. No one who does not sin in your opinion is not lying if they don’t tell anyone.

You read John 1 to say that a Child of God is a liar if he or she says they no longer sin. Apostle John says a Child of God cannot sin. John also says if one sin they do not know God.

So tell me how (John 1) says a Christian sins.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

You also never acknowledged how your rewritten bible explained away the following scripture.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

But then again you need to ignore what I say in my post the same way you ignore what scripture say in order to believe you are going to heaven even if you sin.

By the way it is not expected by me that anything I say will help you see the truth. My continuing to communicate with you is done so I can anticipate the dumb answers I might receive from those in the churches that Jesus will have me tell.

What do we do with those who don't profess themselves at all?
That they must have sin?

That's what Job's "friends" were convinced of...which is why they changed their tactic from telling Job to "state his case before GOD"...to some sort of assumption that because Job would not open his mouth (lest his mouth cause him to sin) that Job must have sinned...

So what do we do with those, like Paul who say that their conscience is clear...they are not aware of any guilt, but this does not make them innocent?

 

[Budman]

No! The scripture you refer to says, in the way you read it, that one is a liar if he or she says they have no sin. So in your understanding that scripture only says one is a liar, if they say they have no sin. If one who does not sin, in your understanding, and does not say they no longer sin then they are not lying. You believe one can’t say they don’t sin is that not right? Because if they do they are lying. No one who does not sin in your opinion is not lying if they don’t tell anyone.

You read John 1 to say that a Child of God is a liar if he or she says they no longer sin. Apostle John says a Child of God cannot sin. John also says if one sin they do not know God.

So tell me how (John 1) says a Christian sins.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

You also never acknowledged how your rewritten bible explained away the following scripture.

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

But then again you need to ignore what I say in my post the same way you ignore what scripture say in order to believe you are going to heaven even if you sin.

A sinner is of the devil, and the devil will never enter the kingdom of God, and anyone who is of devil will never go to heaven.

Okay. To be perfectly clear. Please just post for all to see that you claim you no longer sin.

If you no longer sin, it should be no problem for you to publicly admit it.

 

[miknik5]

Is the "issue" that those who hold to the GRACE of GOD won't profess themselves apart from THE GIFT OF GOD?
Is that the confusion and the assumption that those who do,must be sinners because they aren't professing anything but CHRIST?

Please read 1Corinthians 4 and explain why Paul no longer judged himself...understanding that this did not make him innocent...but, if our conscience does NOT betray us, we have peace before GOD.

Now, if you would like to destroy a brother's conscience, then go ahead...but based on what?
that they will NOT profess themselves?

Here's the thing, we are supposed to "correct" our brother and "restore" our brother...WHEN WE SEE HIM/HER SIN...

What is the sin?
That one won't boast in themselves but only GOD?

That's not a sin...

 

[miknik5]

I think that some are convinced that one takes the GRACE of GOD as some sort of free license to sin..
And what is written with regards to those who think this??????