Wake up church the time has come.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

That one verse is not the full context would you agree?

Did God make a promise to Abraham which many people were blessed after HE was dead and did not see? YES. Did the promise of God to Abraham null in void after HE died? No.

Was the promise to King David by God failed him to have his linage forever because he died? No.

God has always shown HIS Covenant was conditional with the Jews. IT was God who said I will judge them and give their land to another for worshiping other gods and doing wickedness, but HE also said HE would forgive AND restore if they repent; and turn from evil. Which we see God did time after time after time. The Jews did not one time disobey God and suffer loss they did that many times. READ the book of Judges and 2 kings. Time and time again wicked Kings ruled Israel and Judah but God judges them and then showed mercy why?

Read where God said I will remember my promise to David. This is a great lesson of God's faithfulness to people who have forgotten HIM days without number I believe Jeremiah said.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

No I don't agree that that verse is not the full context, that verse tells us beyond a shadow of a doubt who God's chosen people are. That verse doesn't contradict any other verse in scripture.

The promises God made to Abraham was to Abraham and his SEED, Christ. The OT saints were part of that seed, just like we are apart of that seed.

I'm sure you will disagree so I'll go ahead and ask you again, how to do you get around God's chosen people being ONLY those who love God and keep his commandments? How do you expand that to all Jews, even to the Jews who hated God and commandments?

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

So you do not think from what the word of God says HE is not able to keep HIS promise to a people who have rejected HIS Messiah and yet still provide salvation to them and others who are not jews?

To answer your question God's love for the Jews never stopped. He loved them when they were disobedient and did sickness. YOU will not find one verse in the KJV that says God doesn't love the jews. FYI you were a hater of God think not that they cannot be restored Paul spoke of this very thing. You are looking at Israel with Judgement and not grace, and that should caus.e you much concern

TheDivineWatermark · Dec 11, 2020

@KJV1611 ,

study the TWO ways "seed" is used in Genesis:

--"SEED [SINGULAR]"

--"SEED [PLURAL]"

(in English, they look alike... but CONTEXT usually shows the distinction)

... here's an old post I made on that:

[quoting old post]

Okay, then this is the part I've mentioned in past posts, about the distinction (in Genesis) between "seed" SINGULAR and "seed" PLURAL (where used), in order to grasp what point Paul is making in Gal3 / HERE (about "seed" SINGULAR). One must understand of WHICH of the TWO in Genesis is being referred to [whether "seed [SINGULAR]," or "seed [PLURAL]" (coz BOTH are used in Gen.)] in this Galatians 3 passage... because the other one is also important to grasp and not to be altogether neglected, if that makes sense)...

[quoting Gaebelein]

"Now we come [in v.15] to the question of promise, which is a very different thing. Faith [the subject of the preceding section ending with vv.13-14] involves, at any rate, the condition of soul in the person who believes; the promise looks at the dealings of God; and although we have seen that those who have faith are the only receivers of the blessing, and not those essaying to do the law, now we have to consider God promising, as well as law given. "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; though it be but a man's covenant, yet, if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made" - not the law given. Abraham knew nothing about the law, neither did his seed or son; yet they could not deny that Abraham got the blessing. So that here he stands on a new ground. It is not only that souls which have faith will get the blessing, but why not have faith in the law too? The latter part of the chapter takes up this question, and shows that God has given promises; and the question is, how to reconcile God's law with His promises. What did He give these two things for? Were they meant to produce the same end? Were they on the same principle? The Holy Ghost settles these questions. "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed; which is Christ." Here it is plain, that the allusion is to two distinct and signal occasions in Abraham's history. These two occasions were first to Abraham alone; (Gen. 12; ) and secondly, to Isaac, or rather in Isaac alone. (Gen. 22) In the last chapter, both the numerous seed and the single seed are referred to. With the numerous seed God connects the possessing the gate of their enemies - that is, Jewish supremacy, But this is not what one acquires as a Christian. I do not want my enemies to be overthrown, but rather to be brought to Christ. But the Jews, as such, will have not only blessing through Christ by-and-by, but their enemies put down. Israel will be exalted in the earth, which God never promised to the Gentiles. In Genesis 22. the two things are quite distinct. Where the seed is spoken of without allusion to number, the blessing of the Gentiles comes in; but where they are said to be multiplied as the stars and the sand, then the character is unequivocally Jewish precedence. Such is, I believe, the argument of the apostle. Where Christ, typified by Isaac, is meant, it is "thy seed" simply, without a word of seed innumerable as the stars or the sand. "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made;" namely, of the blessing of the Gentiles, and not merely of the putting down of the Gentiles. The promises were made first to Abraham, and then were confirmed in his seed. "He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and of thy seed, which is Christ." He takes Christ as the one intended by Isaac."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Galatians 3 [source: BibleHub]

[end quoting; bold, underline and bracketed inserts mine]

[end quoting old post]

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

God will keep every single promise he ever made. Any lost Jew or Gentile who has ever or will ever call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. When they do that, they will become God's chosen people. Race has nothing to do with it. God loves all people.

You're starting from the assumption that God's chosen people are ALL Jews because you are completely tossing out the verse that explains who God's chosen people are. Gods chosen people are ONLY those who love God and keep his commandments.

How can you expect to understand other scripture about God's chosen people when you toss the definition of God's chosen people out the window? You're logic makes not sense.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

NO, I am not assuming you have Inorged the word of God I used to explain the context of God's people and promises. In addition to that, I do not believe God's people are only Jews. YOU falsely make that claim. I see in the word of God where God has chosen a people specific people, a person(s) to do specific things. They are the " called out ones" the context of God choosing and calling people are not the same in every biblical verse. Was Nebuchadnezzar a jew? Yet did not God choose him as the means to judge Israel & Judah?

You did not use any Biblical references only opinionated comments to which proves you lack the ability to refute the Biblical answer I have provided.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

Below is a part of your response to me. Who do you say those verses apply to?

"For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Now make sure you rip this out of your KJV Bible ok. IF you go to Genesis 12:7 GOd said:

And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him "

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

Was that the only thing I said in that post? Or did you just cherry-pick that from it to make a false narrative? Let me go back and see if you did do that ok. Yep, you did just that post 156 that is all you used was one small part but here is what I said just to show you how bias you are and untruthful. here is the full context o my post 156 which you tried to take out of context when I was answering your post.

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Post 156# responding to KJV1611 post #148

CS1

IN the KJV 16111 which you believe is the word of God and all of us should only use are now telling me God of the KJV Bible did not Establish that nation known as Israel? I am you a WASP? Do you have an issue with Jews? The reason why I ask you this because when we engaged in this discussion earlier you accused me of being a "jew fanatic". Which you said after that

"I’ve been round and round on the Jews being Gods chosen people for several days ich you said after that" post #72

I did not address your comment I moved on because you apologized, however, I will say it now in the KJV Bible Found in Deuteronomy 14:2

I will start there.

it reads in the KJV Bible :

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Now make sure you rip this out of your KJV Bible ok. IF you go to Genesis 12:7 GOd said:

And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him

Rip that out of the KJV too.

YOu need to read and do a studied on the Throne of David who, I know this is going to be a shocker to some was a JEW.

FYI just in case, you did not know Jesus too, is a JEW. There is a reason why Matthew starts with the Genealogy of Christ
And Luke 3:23-38 does too.
verse 17 on Matt 1says:

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations . the KJV

verse 18 says :

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

For you to say God was finished with the nation of Israel at the Cross and you put a BIG Period there "." and nothing in the KJV bible matters anymore.

Is Jesus coming back? Where is he coming to? IS Lord Jesus' feet touch down in New York? Or Canada? Oh, I know SF.

You have some serious biblical issues guy., and the KJV Only has nothing to do with it.
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Now you see how you are dishonest

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

Was that the only thing I said in that post? Or did you just cherry-pick that from it to make a false narrative? Let me go back and see if you did do that ok. Yep, you did just that post 156 that is all you used was one small part but here is what I said just to show you how bias you are and untruthful. here is the full context o my post 156 which you tried to take out of context when I was answering your post.

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Post 156# responding to KJV1611 post #148

CS1

IN the KJV 16111 which you believe is the word of God and all of us should only use are now telling me God of the KJV Bible did not Establish that nation known as Israel? I am you a WASP? Do you have an issue with Jews? The reason why I ask you this because when we engaged in this discussion earlier you accused me of being a "jew fanatic". Which you said after that

"I’ve been round and round on the Jews being Gods chosen people for several days ich you said after that" post #72

I did not address your comment I moved on because you apologized, however, I will say it now in the KJV Bible Found in Deuteronomy 14:2

I will start there.

it reads in the KJV Bible :

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Now make sure you rip this out of your KJV Bible ok. IF you go to Genesis 12:7 GOd said:

And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him

Rip that out of the KJV too.

YOu need to read and do a studied on the Throne of David who, I know this is going to be a shocker to some was a JEW.

FYI just in case, you did not know Jesus too, is a JEW. There is a reason why Matthew starts with the Genealogy of Christ
And Luke 3:23-38 does too.
verse 17 on Matt 1says:

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations . the KJV

verse 18 says :

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

For you to say God was finished with the nation of Israel at the Cross and you put a BIG Period there "." and nothing in the KJV bible matters anymore.

Is Jesus coming back? Where is he coming to? IS Lord Jesus' feet touch down in New York? Or Canada? Oh, I know SF.

You have some serious biblical issues guy., and the KJV Only has nothing to do with it.
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Now you see how you are dishonest

What is your problem, I'm not being dishonest I'm trying to figure who you think those verses apply to. All I am asking you is who the heck are God's chosen people in the verses I posted.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

no no, you are being dishonest because I provided the very context to the post
I was responding to your post sir, in which I answered your question in that you took one part if there was a question in it I did not see it BUT I did answer with Gen Matthew, Luke, Isaiah. Provided a thread starting in GEN running through to the New Testament which you accused me of assuming the jews were only God's people. Are you not seeing what you said?

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

no no, you are being dishonest because I provided the very context to the post
I was responding to your post sir, in which I answered your question in that you took one part if there was a question in it I did not see it BUT I did answer with Gen Matthew, Luke, Isaiah. Provided a thread starting in GEN running through to the New Testament which you accused me of assuming the jews were only God's people. Are you not seeing what you said?

Will you at least let me know who you think God's chosen people are?

TheDivineWatermark · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

Do you acknowledge (what I put in Post #164 [<--edited this number, to correct it])

... the TWO ways "seed" is used in Genesis:

--"SEED [SINGULAR]"

--"SEED [PLURAL]"

...and that Gal3 is only speaking of ONE OF THESE ("seed [SINGULAR]"), but that the OTHER is STILL IMPORTANT (and NOT to be disregarded) ??

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

Ok in the word of God established in Gen throughout the old testament they are seen as the Hebrews who then became to be known as the Jews. Which God has made promises to that specific person of certain land that God has not changed HIS mind of giving them. The Land is theirs forever, yet they have lost it more than once due to sin and idolatry. God can keep His Promise to this HIS person concerning the land today and still send them to hell for rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ. We are spiritual Israel and Jews who have been graphed in by Grace which Paul said in Roman chapter 11:1-7 Please read the whole chapter here is 6 verses that I think provide the context to the whole chapter.

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? (Elijah) how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
There is so much in this whole chapter I should post the whole chapter. YOu will read here Paul a JEW called of God wrote as the Holy Spirit guided him and spoke of the ingraphing of the gentile starting at verse 11 then speaks about Isreal being saved starting at verse 25. IN which we are commanded to pray for the jews.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

@TheDivineWatermark

TheDivineWatermark said:

I can't figure out what Gaebelein saying here? Is he saying that one promise is given to those under grace and another promise is given to those who have faith?

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

I'm sorry I have not followed the full posting I see this person has provided commentary to verse to which appear to be establishing the Covenant made with Abraham is not seen as a singular blessing to only one generation but many the word "seed" is not to be seen as one but many generations

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

Ok in the word of God established in Gen throughout the old testament they are seen as the Hebrews who then became to be known as the Jews. Which God has made promises to that specific person of certain land that God has not changed HIS mind of giving them. The Land is theirs forever, yet they have lost it more than once due to sin and idolatry. God can keep His Promise to this HIS person concerning the land today and still send them to hell for rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ. We are spiritual Israel and Jews who have been graphed in by Grace which Paul said in Roman chapter 11:1-7 Please read the whole chapter here is 6 verses that I think provide the context to the whole chapter.

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? (Elijah) how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
There is so much in this whole chapter I should post the whole chapter. YOu will read here Paul a JEW called of God wrote as the Holy Spirit guided him and spoke of the ingraphing of the gentile starting at verse 11 then speaks about Isreal being saved starting at verse 25. IN which we are commanded to pray for the jews.

I take that to mean that you believe the Hebrews/Jews are God's chosen people and they are the ones in Hebrews where Paul says "Hath God cast away his people". Is this correct?

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

I'm sorry I have not followed the full posting I see this person has provided commentary to verse to which appear to be establishing the Covenant made with Abraham is not seen as a singular blessing to only one generation but many the word "seed" is not to be seen as one but many generations

The full post is here.

TheDivineWatermark · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

No, he's saying (like I am) to look at Genesis and see (THERE) the DISTINCTION it makes between "seed [SINGULAR]" and "seed [PLURAL]" so that you can grasp what Paul's point is about "seed [SINGULAR]"... but not that the point in Genesis about "seed [PLURAL]" should be disregarded and cast out as unimportant. No. They are DISTINCT for a REASON... but ppl tend only to focus on the "seed [SINGULAR]" issue (for Paul's mentioning it in Gal3, regarding his point there) and they totally neglect the OTHER (which should NOT be done!)

So, I am suggesting TO YOU to do a study of the issue of "seed [SINGULAR]" and "seed [PLURAL]" in Genesis... because you are missing it.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

Did Paul case away or did God? because what Paul did was go to the Jews first then after they rejected the message he went to the gentiles. Roman chapter 11 is very clear about who Paul is speaking about and What God is going to do with these people.

Had God left them and has God returned to them? Has God forgave them and has God forsaken them? Can God forgive them and can God still judge a land that has rejected HIM? Has God stopped Loving them? Ever? Hs God stop desiring for them to repent and come to the saving knowledge of Christ? Read Roman 11

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

No, he's saying (like I am) to look at Genesis and see (THERE) the DISTINCTION it makes between "seed [SINGULAR]" and "seed [PLURAL]" so that you can grasp what Paul's point is about "seed [SINGULAR]"... but not that the point in Genesis about "seed [PLURAL]" should be disregarded and cast out as unimportant. No. They are DISTINCT for a REASON... but ppl tend only to focus on the "seed [SINGULAR]" issue (for Paul's mentioning it in Gal3) and totally neglect the OTHER (which should NOT be done!)

So, I am suggesting TO YOU to do a study of the issue of "seed [SINGULAR]" and "seed [PLURAL]" in Genesis... because you are missing it.

His SEED Christ is pretty specific. What am I missing? I know seed can be singular and plural.

Wake up church the time has come.

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