I agree, but my point in answer to an earlier question "how did Jesus come out of the tomb " asks for assumptions, the same way as your answer does because the Bible doesn't state HOW, but that He did, although I consider this assumption logical. ON SECOND THOUGHT, the Bible does tell us how, by saying only what God told Him, by doing (in dreams, visions or revelation by the Holy Spirit) what He saw the Father do, (it's the Father in Me who doeth the works.), and by submitting His will to the Fathers ( nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.). Good night.
Was Mary Sinless?
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It shows the He understood the concepts and He quiet possibly did the work but the point is that the Bible doesn't state that He did, but we can assume He did.
Revelation through the Holy Spirit shows Torah is the foundation of the whole bible, as much as the first few chapters or volumes set the foundation for a long book series.
Our differene is that you minimalize and trivialize his worldly trade, I don't. Just because the bible doesn't state something doesn't mean it's false, the bible, especially the gospel accounts, are sufficient but not exhaustive, says the bible itself, Jn. 21:25.
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
Jesus said " Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." John 8:58. If Jesus, The Word in the beginning with God and who was God (John 1:1), " For by Him all things were created, that are in heaven, and that are in Earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM (Jesus) Colossians 1:16. You state that Jesus' authority came from Moses????? If the Word, who would become Jesus in Earthly form, was before Abraham, who was before Moses, and was in on creation, had to get authority from someone He helped to create, than Moses would be greater the Him. But that's not what the book of Hebrews states " Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to Him that appointed Him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For this man (Jesus) was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house. For every house is builded by some man; but He that built all things is God (Jesus, see Colossians 1:16) Hebrews 3:1-4 /Vs 5-6 state Moses is a servant but that Jesus is a Son. The only One capable of giving Jesus authority was God the Father. No old testament prophet was greater than John the Baptist " Verily I (Jesus) say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. "Matthew 11:11. John the Baptist, the greatest born of women, paved the way for Jesus and was not worthy to loose the shoes of His feet. Acts 13:25
I minimalize and trivialize nothing. I never said anything was false. I believe the Bible is inerrant, it's just that it seems that you sometimes mix covenants. It seems to me you minimalize and trivialize new testament scripture by denying the Jesus was raised from the dead in a fleshly, and not a spiritual body, yet you don't deny old testament supernatural acts, such as the parting of the Red Sea. Please renew your mind with the new covenant, what is concealed in the old covenant is revealed in the new, keep the foundation, the old, and build on it, with the new.
My intention was to tell you how to distinguish the true Jesus from all false ones, which Lord Jesus himself had warned. All the false Jesuses can cite your lecturing, the real one's character, along with the precise prophecies of his coming, is set up in the OT, every hero in the OT is a type of him, including Adam. Yes, before Abraham, I AM, but you don't know who he really was and what he was like, before his earthly form, the only visual form of I AM was a glowing bush (Ex. 3:16). If you disregard all of them and cling to your own dogmas, you'll be vulnerable to deceptions.
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. ;See, I have told you beforehand. (Matt. 24:23-25)
I mix nothing, friend, you've got it all wrong. Suppose there's a multi-seasoned tv series, a multi-volumed book series or multi-stepped procedure, you start off from season, volum or step 3 or 4, and not surprisingly you find difficulties in odd references, what would you do then? All that I'm telling you is to go seek clues from the previous parts for a better understanding, but it seems to me you're telling me that all the previous parts are obselete, whatever in them is all revealed in the part you're currently at, then you chstise me out of a black and white, "this not that" mindset. I appreciate your advise, respectfually, but keep it to yourself.
Yeshua, Yehovah is the same one who told Moses ".... tell them I AM has sent me unto you." (Ex.3:14) and is the same One who said " before Abraham was I AM." Who do you think Moses meant face to face, it was the preincarnate Jesus, Yeshua, Jehovah, The Word, God. P.S. The I am in Exodus 3:6, if you notice, am is in italics, not in the original scripture.
Yeah the NAR people frequently use this verse to try and legitimize their craziness
NAR dude be like "I believe the Lord wants me to kill my neighbors cat"
His buddy says, "Now, where is that in scripture?"
NAR dude be like, "It's in John 21:25, of course!"
And of course every time the Father spoke, it was through His Word which is Who the Son is.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
God and His Word cannot be separated.
By that same token if you focused only on season one or two and casually read or look at seasons or volumes 5&6 and think you know what happens, you'll miss the point. Because what was the mystery in the early shows or volumes are fully revealed in the latter. Sir, Jesus' Spirit has taken up residency within me and to say that I don't know Him would be a lie. You must have not read my post carefully for I said to " keep the foundation, the old covenant, but build on it with the new." There's nothing about " obsolete " in my post. You don't build on obsolete. " Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY THAT I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO BRING THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; which My covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:" Jeremiah 31: 31-32. I know you said to keep my advice to myself but to anyone else with the same mindset read further what this new covenants benefits are.
"You shall not take your Lord's name in vain", is that in the scripture?
The Word of God was there at the beginning, while the Word of God did not become flesh at the beginning. As long as the Father and the Son are two distinct beings, I try not to smudge them together as the name "word of God."
That's actually in the New Covenant along with the rest of the 10 Commandments although the sabbath has been upgraded to a higher standard than just worshiping the Lord on Saturdays
So you believe in two Gods? Why not just accept what the Lord said about Himself???
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.
" And He(the Father) said, thou canst not see My face: for there shall NO MAN SEE ME AND LIVE." Ex 33:20 "And the Lord (Yehovah, Yeshua) spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..." They both are God John 1:1-2
The one and only covenant is the one with Abraham in Gen. 12:1-3, all who are born of the holy spirit is adopted as children of Abraham - "if you are of Christ, you're Abraham's seed". That covenant lasts forever, the new covenant, in essence, is the restoration of the old covenant, which the Israelites had previously broken.
‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land. (Lev. 26:40-42)
I believe in God the Father who is spirit and not flesh, God the Son is both spirit and flesh, and any spirit that denies the Son's flesh and bone is from the devil.
God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent." (Num. 23:19)
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (Jn. 4:24)
Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. (Rom. 1:1-3)
No he didn't, he spake unto Moses through an angel.
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. (Ex. 3:1-2)
And yet... God is ONE, so there is only ONE God
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.
He is Father, Word, and Spirit
And yet the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father.