Was Mary Sinless?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Lovette said:
And yet the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father.
Click to expand...

And yet they are ONE Being as the Lord tells us in 1 John 5:7

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these
three are One.

1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these
three agree in one
 
  • Like
Reactions: dkontner
Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
 
  • Like
Reactions: bytheblood and dkontner
JayWalker said:
And yet they are ONE Being as the Lord tells us in 1 John 5:7

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these
three are One.

1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these
three agree in one
Click to expand...
And yet one is still manifested in three distinct beings. Besides, the focus of these is on bearing witness, the credibility of a case is built upon multiple witnesses, trinitarianism is not the point.
 
One is Three, and the Three are One.

If you say there are 3 different beings then that's claiming there are 3 different Gods.

There is only ONE God:

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord
Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am
the last; and beside me there is no God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and
which is to come, the Almighty.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well
 
JayWalker said:
Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Click to expand...
Concerning the trinity, the Father is in heaven, the Spirit is on earth, the Son is the way (or the Ladder, Jn. 1:51) between heaven and earth, the medium between God and man, that's why he must be both God and man, while the Spirit is spirit and the Father is only spirit, not man. Without this understanding, "three in one" is just an empty slogan to spam around.
 
The name of Jesus, the fullness of the godhead, the way (Son), the truth (Spirit) and the life (Father). Jesus said baptize in the name of the the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. So they did so in the name of Jesus. The same Jesus that answered (John 8) the question 'where is the father'? with "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.'
 
Lovette said:
Concerning the trinity, the Father is in heaven, the Spirit is on earth, the Son is the way (or the Ladder, Jn. 1:51) between heaven and earth, the medium between God and man, that's why he must be both God and man, while the Spirit is spirit and the Father is only spirit, not man. Without this understanding, "three in one" is just an empty slogan to spam around.
Click to expand...

And yet There is only ONE God. Weird.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord
Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am
the last; and beside me there is no God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and
which is to come, the Almighty.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well



dkontner said:
The name of Jesus, the fullness of the godhead, the way (Son), the truth (Spirit) and the life (Father). Jesus said baptize in the name of the the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. So they did so in the name of Jesus. The same Jesus that answered (John 8) the question 'where is the father'? with "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.'
Click to expand...

Yep.

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son
hath the Father also.
 
Lovette said:
One in three distinct beings. Unitarianism is heresy.
Click to expand...

God's Word clears this up:

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these
three are One.

Are you saying there is heresy in first John?
 
JayWalker said:
God's Word clears this up:

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these
three are One.

Are you saying there is heresy in first John?
Click to expand...
IDK, you tell me. This is known as the "johannine comma", its authenticity is in question.
 
bytheblood said:
I agree, but my point in answer to an earlier question "how did Jesus come out of the tomb " asks for assumptions, the same way as your answer does because the Bible doesn't state HOW, but that He did, although I consider this assumption logical. ON SECOND THOUGHT, the Bible does tell us how, by saying only what God told Him, by doing (in dreams, visions or revelation by the Holy Spirit) what He saw the Father do, (it's the Father in Me who doeth the works.), and by submitting His will to the Fathers ( nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.). Good night.
Click to expand...

I don't know what you're asking anymore. Is the question "how did Jesus come out of the tomb" or is it "how did He grow in wisdom and stature because I was answering the latter and there are no assumptions in my answer.
 
Lovette said:
And yet one God is manifested in three. Weird.
Click to expand...

And yet one God is manifested as One God. Really Weird.



Lovette said:
IDK, you tell me. This is known as the "johannine comma", its authenticity is in question.
Click to expand...

Only by those listening to the devil who are confused.

God is not the author of confusion.

Take all the commas out and it still says the same thing.

Besides, all these passages says God is ONE

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord
Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am
the last; and beside me there is no God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and
which is to come, the Almighty.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well
 
JayWalker said:
With great glory, strength, and power!

Glad we got that all cleared up.
Click to expand...

That was how He was raised from the dead.

As far as "walking" out of the tomb? Did He wait for the angels to roll the stone away? Did He roll the stone away Himself? Did He walk through the stone. Did He simply appear outside the tomb and the stone was rolled back for our benefit? Who knows? :)
 
JayWalker said:
And yet one God is manifested as One God. Really Weird.





Only by those listening to the devil who are confused.

God is not the author of confusion.

Take all the commas out and it still says the same thing.

Besides, all these passages says God is ONE

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord
Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am
the last; and beside me there is no God.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and
which is to come, the Almighty.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well
Click to expand...
One as three. I suggest you and I stop derailing this thread.
 
sawdust said:
That was how He was raised from the dead.

As far as "walking" out of the tomb? Did He wait for the angels to roll the stone away? Did He roll the stone away Himself? Did He walk through the stone. Did He simply appear outside the tomb and the stone was rolled back for our benefit? Who knows? :)
Click to expand...
How about admitting that he didn't "walk out of the tomb" at all, since the tomb was already empty when the women arrived and the angel rolled the stone away?
 
Lovette said:
Then it's not fulfilled yet.
Click to expand...

It would do you good if you could bring yourself to say "Jesus fulfilled OT Levitical law foreshadowing--and prophecies foretelling-- Messiah's advent and atonement, thereby instituting the New Covenant/Gospel/Church, and His Second Coming/Parousia will fulfill the rest."

IOW, a Messianic Jew is a Christian, NOT a Judaizer (Acts 15:5, Gal. 2:12, Tit. 1:10, Gal. 3:28).
 
GWH said:
It would do you good if you could bring yourself to say "Jesus fulfilled OT Levitical law foreshadowing--and prophecies foretelling-- Messiah's advent and atonement, thereby instituting the New Covenant/Gospel/Church, and His Second Coming/Parousia will fulfill the rest."

IOW, a Messianic Jew is a Christian, NOT a Judaizer (Acts 15:5, Gal. 2:12, Tit. 1:10, Gal. 3:28).
Click to expand...
I never stated or implied anything remotely related to "Judaizer". I'm not interested in any name game.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back