Complete agreement. As an observer of their traditions and "works".......It is fear, worry and guilt that is their motive.......Not the freedom and love Christ offers. On a personal level and love level for my wife's mom and dad.......It sucks to watch.
Complete agreement. As an observer of their traditions and "works".......It is fear, worry and guilt that is their motive.......Not the freedom and love Christ offers. On a personal level and love level for my wife's mom and dad.......It sucks to watch.
I was born a Catholic and will die a Catholic is their motto.
For one key point, a demon has no physical nature, it is a purely spiritual entity. For another, a demon was never created in the image of God, there is nothing in a demon to redeem.
I beg to differ.
The scripture doesn't speak of the creation of angels so how would you know if they are not created in His image? They are spirits, Heb1:14 God is Spirit Jn.4:24 so it is more likely they were created in God's image but we are simply not told directly.
That demons are fallen angels contradicts scripture. The fallen angels are referenced three times, you can reconcile any two of those passages to make them demons, but not all three. They cannot be held in chains until the time for judgement, be released to torment humans for one thousand years prior to the final judgment and be judged by humans. all of which apply to the fallen angels and be demons. For one rather obvious point, demons have been causing trouble for over 2000 years, so were they never chained up or is the one-thousand-year time for them to torment wrong or are they something other than fallen angels?
Before they became fallen they were created as sons of God.
Now when did Satan fall? Was it sometime after he deceived Eve, and if it was after, why did he deceive her?
Unless you point to the scriptures you are referring, how can we know if they can be reconciled?
Stop right there....
Demons are fallen angels whom God has denied them their ability to materialize into physical bodies.
I am so sorry, I thought you would know your scriptures. Look at 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Peter 2:4, which does not exclude Satan unless he is not a fallen angel, and Revelation where Satan is chained and sealed in the abyss.
And I'm sorry you would be so patronizing thinking I can read your mind. Have you seen some of the scriptures people put forward to support their views in this forum?
It's not about doctrines or ideologies, the real problem with denominational churches is leftist corruption, they've had their demonic ideologies infiltrated in all major institutions, hollowing them out from the inside, mainline denominational churches are at the top of the list. They are the modern day equivalent of the Pharisees and Sadduccees.
I'm still waiting for that scripture that proves that the OT righteous were born again. I'm trying to learn THAT. Teach me THAT through the Word, I'm willing. As exampled by Abraham, those who believed God were declared righteous but were not yet born again. Their sins had been atoned for ( covered over year to year) but their sins were not remitted( " without shedding of blood is no remission" Heb. 9:22) until Jesus ascended to His Father, placed His blood on the mercy seat, descended into the lower parts of the earth with the keys of death and hell and led captivity ( the OT righteous) captive because their sins were now remitted, and they were then born again.
The corruption was the result of losing sight of sound doctrine which produces sound ideologies.
First of all, I NEVER said that the" OT righteous remained spiritually dead" those are your words. God, who is Spirit, connects with and inspires mans spirit, not their souls, that's how even you, before you received Christ and were spiritually deadened in trespasses and sins, got to receive Him. The Holy Spirit inspired and drew your spirit to receive the things of God. He RENEWED a right spirit (that was already) within you, as David prayed. Even David knew that he had a spirit and wanted it RENEWED to be right with God. He didn't pray for God to give him a spirit. By your reckoning, God must have put a flawed spirit in him for him to request a renewed one. I can't show you a scripture about the OT righteous being saved or born again because there are none in the OT to prove that they were. The only proof of spiritual REBIRTH is found in the NT, that I know of. I won't take the trap of offence you laid out for me with your first remark, about me not knowing what it is to be born again. I'll do what scripture says " The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression." Prov. 19:11 and love you anyway, brother.
" That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation....... For whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved." Rom. 10:9-10,13 That, to me, means I am born again, a personal faith in Jesus Christ. He gave His life for me and I am now, by the shedding of His blood, His purchased possession. I confessed Christ at the age of 12 yrs. and He became mine. I didn't begin the process of becoming His, although He had already purchased me, until 33 yrs. later. There are supposed to be exchanges, my sin for His righteousness, my sickness for His healing, my poverty for His prosperity, my turmoil for His peace, etc., etc. Many don't complete the exchanges or even are aware they exist. Being born again is the beginning of this walk, then by praying and reading, studying and meditating His Word and obedience to it, we grow thereby to become what He created us to be. There have been many missteps and failures on my part but His Word is true. I am His and He is mine and it's only by His grace and mercy, lovingkindness and loooong suffering with me that I stand today. I love Him, but only because He first loved me and gave Himself for me.
