Was Mother Mary Sinless and thus disobeys Romans 3:23

[Kmdavis]

Didn't see very much scripture supporting your agrument like Nonamemcgee said. Red flags off the bat. If true, could you show in scripture were it says Mary is sinless?

 

[shamariel]

lol....

and now youre calling me names


what kinda girl has chin hair?

I was a newcomer, unaware of the blue and pink and indeed I am sorry for not knowing this. Please forgive me in Jesus name. I fully insulted you and I apologize.

 

[Magenta]

Didn't see very much scripture supporting your agrument like Nonamemcgee said. Red flags off the bat. If true, could you show in scripture were it says Mary is sinless?

There is no Scripture to support it. However, it is a belief mandated by the popes which all Roman Catholics are forced to accept as true, and some will defend it to death, same as the other ex cathedra dogma, which again the Roman Catholic is mandated to accept as being true ,despite zero Scriptural support, that being Mary's bodily assumption to heaven.

 

[Magenta]

In essence the dogmatic Roman Catholic believes that Mary was not born in the flesh after Adam and therefore had no sin nature and therefore did not suffer the consequence of sin and therefore was bodily assumed to heaven where she sits with her son (Who never once called her His mother, nor elevated her in ANY way above others) to mediate between man and God despite the VERY plain teaching of Scripture that there is only ONE mediator between God and man and it is the man Christ Jesus and not some woman named Mary. RCC also encourages praying to dead people which is nowhere encouraged in Scripture.

 

[Kmdavis]

Exactly, non biblical sources, just traditions of man.

There is no Scripture to support it. However, it is a belief mandated by the popes which all Roman Catholics are forced to accept as true, and some will defend it to death, same as the other ex cathedra dogma, which again the Roman Catholic is mandated to accept as being true ,despite zero Scriptural support, that being Mary's bodily assumption to heaven.

 

[maxwel]

The OP shows up, and dives headlong into a HUGE DEFENSE of something no one here was attacking.

Guess that shows what is on the OP's mind.

Mary.

Not Jesus.

But Mary.

Mt.12:34 For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

You sure do seem to speak a lot about Mary.

Hmm.

I'd recommend you reprioritize.

 

[shamariel]

If Mary needed to be sinless so that Jesus could be sinless then Mary's mother would also need to be sinless so that Mary could have been sinless and then for Mary's mother to be sinless Mary's grandmother would also have to be sinless. What a can of worms of infinite regression all the way back to Eve, who we know was without a doubt a sinner, just as Mary was. To say Jesus Christ could not have been born sinless unless Mary was likewise sinless is an abomination of Scripture, plain and simple. Give up your RCC idolatry! Oh I understand that your popes wax poetic on Mary and it is a mandated belief that you must accept despite the fact that there is ZERO Scriptural support for her immaculate conception, same as the mandated ex cathedra dogma of her bodily assumption, again with ZERO Scriptural support, which is again simple fantasizing on the part of popes and those who follow them to their doom and destruction. Praying to her, believing she intercedes on your behalf against the express words of Scripture and moreover against the express instructions of Jesus on how to pray... shame on you!

If then your argument was that Mother mary was not created in a special way according to being the second eve, re read the theology.

 

[shamariel]

The OP shows up, and dives headlong into a HUGE DEFENSE of something no one here was attacking.

Guess that shows what is on the OP's mind.

Mary.

Not Jesus.

But Mary.

Mt.12:34 For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

You sure do seem to speak a lot about Mary.

Hmm.

I'd recommend you reprioritize.

Even then in my discourse to say it was a lesser matter and had not to do with salvation at all but was just an argument of something of lesser value, even to end this shows my priorities are where they belong.

 

[Hungry]

Shamariel, welcome. Hungry's response notes that Mary was also a mother and wife. I would add that she herself said, "My spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour" Luke 2:47). If she were sinless, she would not need a saviour.

Hungry, you might want to rethink your last sentence. It suggests that conjugal relations between husband and wife which are not intended for procreation are selfish, carnal-minded and bad.

Everywhere else in God's creation, sex is for procreation exclusively. I understand that my wife has ownership of my body and I hers, so we aren't to deny one another sex, but other than procreative it's carnal. Plain and simple.

 

[Magenta]

If then your argument was that Mother mary was not created in a special way according to being the second eve, re read the theology.

By theology, do you mean your Romanist defense of it? There is NO Scripture to support your view, full stop. Many Christians, NOT Roman Catholics, who come to understand the extent and depth of the Roman Catholic idolatry of Mary, find it SICKENING. Jesus never once elevated Mary above others and IN FACT He discouraged people from doing so. What do your popes and fellow Catholics do? Ignore Jesus and elevate Mary!

 

[shamariel]

By theology, do you mean your Romanist defense of it? There is NO Scripture to support your view, full stop. Many Christians, NOT Roman Catholics, who come to understand the extent and depth of the Roman Catholic idolatry of Mary, find it SICKENING. Jesus never once elevated Mary above others and IN FACT He discouraged people from doing so. What do your popes and fellow Catholics do? Ignore Jesus and elevate Mary!

Who said I worship Mother Mary or was even a roman catholic for that matter?

 

[Magenta]

That's another stupid Roman Catholic elevation of Mary, calling her the
second Eve and the mother of humanity and the queen of heaven. SICK!

 

[Magenta]

Who said I worship Mother Mary or was even a roman catholic for that matter?

^^ Quack quack waddle waddle, oh look, a duck.

 

[shamariel]

Didn't see very much scripture supporting your agrument like Nonamemcgee said. Red flags off the bat. If true, could you show in scripture were it says Mary is sinless?

If then it is only scripture that makes your own defense, who gives you the theology to explain it. Does it say beyond a shadow of a doubt in one passage that Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God? Yet this is vital for a theologian. IT does say Christ is both King and priest. Yet this paper is a matter of theology, and yet to say you need a direct verse, where does it say the apologetics of how to determine whether something is Gnostic or not. Yet without a verse you would not believe in the actual scholars?

 

[Magenta]

Does it say beyond a shadow of a doubt in one passage that Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God?

Do you deny John chapter one, which CLEARLY states that
Jesus is God, as the Word Who took on flesh to walk among us?

 

[Magenta]

Jesus is both the Son of Man and the Son of God. Do you
also deny the Scriptures where God calls Jesus His Son?

Jesus said He and the Father were one. What do you take that to mean?

 

[Adstar]

Only Jesus was without sin.. Adam and Eve where for a time without sin before they came to the knowledge of good and evil.. Mary like all other human beings was born with the same faultyness all other humans are subject to and sinned like all other people..

The teaching that Mary was sinless is to me is an evil catholic doctrine and part of the abomination of the worship of other human beings..

 

[Magenta]

Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity. https://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html

 

[Adstar]

Shamariel, welcome. Hungry's response notes that Mary was also a mother and wife. I would add that she herself said, "My spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour" Luke 2:47). If she were sinless, she would not need a saviour.

Great post Perfect verse to smash the evil doctrine that Mary was sinless.. The Word of God is good.

 

[willybob]

no one is born a sinner, or inherits the sins of the father/mother, but rather the soul that sinneth it shall die Ezek 18. Man suffers the consequences of being born into a sinful world because of Adam's disobedience. Jesus being fully human and made in every way the same as us, taking on human flesh, and also suffered these consequences. He was raised, loved, and disciplined by godly parents, and through suffering He learned obedience...His miracles were that of a man operating through the Spirit, and not of His God powers of the which He had set aside to come into the world being a lowly servant. Jesus being fully man would have been born in sin like any other person if the myth of original sin were true. Put praise God its is not true, but rather fables of men...