Was sex Adam and Eve part of the curse

[Lovette]

No. I just got done watching it - was a nail biter. You’ve already heard my points but you’re more interested in winning an argument than anything else. Either way, here’s what I see going on today.

God made the woman as a helpmate to the man. And before the fall, they were perfectly in sync. There’s a lot we don’t understand about life before the fall, but we can expound on what we know after the fall. God gave one curse to the man - toil sweat in work; three curses to the woman - pain in childbirth, control your husband, he shall rule over you.

Now, fast forward to today and how these curses have played out, in regard to the current state of sexual immorality. First some time, most men have had easy access to sexual immorality on their phones and many have further engaged in it. This has warped everything about sex in marriage and has given the enemy a foothold - men consumed with sexual desire, women consumed with “he only wants me for sex” and have used sex as a form of control - divorces, sexless marriages, overall sexual immorality.

From this, help groups have emerged, and there is a new focus on “coming out” of sexual immorality. With these groups there is much insight on repairing the damage that the man has done to the woman, as well as the woman’s current view of her place in the relationship. There have been some key books that have encouraged women to cast off sex and “duty” until their environment is ideal and safe. While in a temporary sense this is fine, but it has resulted in women entering a newfound life path and empowerment from a non sex marriage.

This new idea for women to no longer have to “perform” for their husbands, and not have the husband “rule over them” is very tempting and playing out in today’s couples. In my opinion this is a grasp from the enemy on couples where the man is in the process of coming out of sexual immorality. I also feel this could be what Daniel was talking about “…in those days, some of the most gifted in God will stumble and fall, but these trials will only purify them to greater holiness.”

There’s a lot there, but I’m sure you guys will unpack it for 100+ pages.

God's original design for marriage is arranged. Adam didn't ask for a wife, it was God who determined that it wasn't good for him to be alone; it was God who made an Eve out of his own body; it was God who joined them together.

These don't exist any more. If you have an authority who makes an edict for you to marry, who pairs you up with a mate, and brings this mate to you, you can call that a godly marriage. I didn't make any of these up, it's all in Gen. 2, right?

But how does it work in reality, since the 20th century? YOU feel not good being alone; YOU seeks out a mate to your own liking; YOU bring yourself to them. And you call that godly marriage, even though every step of the way is the direct opposite of God's original design.

 

[Burn1986]

God's original design for marriage is arranged. Adam didn't ask for a wife, it was God who determined that it wasn't good for him to be alone; it was God who made an Eve out of his own body; it was God who joined them together.

These don't exist any more. If you have an authority who makes an edict for you to marry, who pairs you up with a mate, and brings this mate to you, you can call that a godly marriage. I didn't make any of these up, it's all in Gen. 2, right?

But how does it work in reality, since the 20th century? YOU feel not good being alone; YOU seeks out a mate to your own liking; YOU bring yourself to them. And you call that godly marriage, even though every step of the way is the direct opposite of God's original design.

Well yeah, there’s a lot flesh in the way. Duh

The marriage act is one of the most important powerful things in a Christian’s life. It is like a super-charged battery charger. Even for non-Christians.

It’s also the most fragile and the one area Satan targets. But we know Satan always overplays his hand, which results in Christians seeking God for rescue. I sense this is happening with the mass exodus of Christian men today from sexual immorality.

 

[Lovette]

Well yeah, there’s a lot flesh in the way. Duh

The marriage act is one of the most important powerful things in a Christian’s life. It is like a super-charged battery charger. Even for non-Christians.

It’s also the most fragile and the one area Satan targets. But we know Satan always overplays his hand, which results in Christians seeking God for rescue. I sense this is happening with the mass exodus of Christian men today from sexual immorality.

Rather than such superstition, how about a brief history lesson? It all can be traced back to the sexual liberation, although it may go even further back; as a response to that, the churches promoted purity culture, "save yourself for marriage," "true love waits", "abstinence only", most churches are still preaching this, which puts extraordinary shame on young women; then you've got push back against that, the hookup culture and casual sex from the mid 90s to the mid 10s; then you have #MeToo movement against the perps and pervs who take advantage of women; and what's the logical reaction to that? Leave it all out, i.e. that "mass exodus". Not just Christian men, but all "red pilled" men.

 

[Lovette]

Well yeah, there’s a lot flesh in the way. Duh

The marriage act is one of the most important powerful things in a Christian’s life. It is like a super-charged battery charger. Even for non-Christians.

It’s also the most fragile and the one area Satan targets. But we know Satan always overplays his hand, which results in Christians seeking God for rescue. I sense this is happening with the mass exodus of Christian men today from sexual immorality.

Look, if you still don't get it, my only argument is this, that marriage is not for everyone, no matter how you hype it, and it's not only for Christians either, no matter how you revere it. The church has been condemning divorce and abortion for over half a century, but how about preventing both by not getting married or having kids in the first place? That had been the church's historical practice for centuries, right? You either acknowledge that marriage and kids are only for those capable ones, then you condemn divorce and abortion for their dereliction of duty; OR, you promote marriage and kids to all, whether they're capable or not, but leave divorce and abortion to their own conscience, admitting that "till death do us part" only belongs to fairytales. Politically you can harp on both to make yourself look pious, but realistically you can't, 'cause not everyone is marriage or parent material, self-identifying as Christian doesn't magically qualify you for either. Even if you are, following all the rules, doing all the right things, having saved yourself for marriage, waited for true love, but there's still nothing, then what? You probably won't find any answer from the pulpit, 'cause they're still living in the 50s and 60s, even though that was an entire lifetime ago.

 

[Paul357]

Hi @reneweddaybyday . Let's see what you got...



Yes. Scripture teaches that the reality we exist in is a 'shadow' of higher dimensions. We are 3D images being cast by 4D.

Hebrews 8:5 - Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

In earth as it is in Heaven.



I take it you don't know what the Mountain of God is where the mayim "fertilizer" emanates from? And why Satan was cast out? Or what 'cast out' even means?

Ezekiel 28:13-16 - Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Do you not know what Satan covered? Do you not know what the Stones of Fire are or what they have to do with Eden?

What about the 'covering' that Satan had? Do you understand what those precious stones were symbolic of?

If you or anyone here knew the answers, the Mysteries of the Garden of Eden would be extremely obvious. Actually, you would be terrified at what God has revealed to us. Most people have no idea how serious this is.

I already answered what 'Stones' are in a previous post. When they are on fire, they have an even more very euphemistic meaning.

I specialize in teaching the Meat of the Word. Milk is for toddlers.



Ah. It looks like you may not know who the 'us' and 'our' is in Genesis 1:26:

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

I will come back and explain when I get off work.



Amen.

This guy says the Tree of Life in Eden, and other places in the Bible such as when Moses burns the Golden Calf and turns it into bread, is Monoatomic Gold.