Hmmm, are your referring to
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107457-sabbath-7th-day-abolished-5.html#post1884692
You ought not twist what I said there.
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Hmmm, are your referring to
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107457-sabbath-7th-day-abolished-5.html#post1884692
You ought not twist what I said there.
Actually I prefer to send my tithe to someone who is preaching the Word of God, not opinion.
nope, referring to this:
so i'm not twisting anything; i'm talking about exactly what you said. to wit:
that when Paul says "do not let anyone judge you with regard to a Sabbath day"
you say he means, "judge the brethren with regards to Sabbath days"
so guess where the twisting is in actuality going on?
do we need to revisit what Christ said about judging?
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
(Luke 6:37-38)
you can PM me for your bill.
But God made all the days and has appointed to man his days.
Israel could not keep the law either. The purpose of the law was to point men to Christ. You cannot keep even the first commandment and by placing so much emphasis on the fourth you draw away from the first.
No, for attempting to appear holy when you are not. False piety is not pleasing to God. Trusting in your righteousness is never a good plan. Righteousness does not come through the law. Righteousness is imputed through Christ.
Why do you elevate the law above Christ and Gods grace? Acts 15 especially verse ten. Peter of all people is speaking that they should not tempt God by putting a yoke upon the disciples that they, the apostles nor their fathers could bear.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
But He only made ONE day holy and only set apart ONE day...
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
Gen 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
so, you doubt this scripture?
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
You really believe that we cannot be pleasing in God's sight?
1Jn 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
You say one thing, scripture says another. I gotta go with scripture on this one.
No, for attempting to appear holy when you are not. False piety is not pleasing to God. Trusting in your righteousness is never a good plan. Righteousness does not come through the law. Righteousness is imputed through Christ.[/quote]
Well, thanks for judging me on this.
Hmmm, what is righteousness? Can one practice righteousness...
1Jn 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
Rev 19:8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
I am not elevating the Law above Christ, I am simply quoting scripture. I notice you don't do much of that.
Please highlight where I said...
"judge the brethren with regards to Sabbath days"
Oh wait, I get it, you disagree with what Paul said in the letter to the church at Colossae but need someone else to point the finger at.
I'll quote some Scripture...
No one is justified by the law. No one. Not even you.
Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Not even Pharisees who devoted their life to keeping it were justified. Even Jews by birth. Nope.
Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
What was the law for? To show you need a Savior.
Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Galatians 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
What does justified by faith look like?
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
Now let's talk about the LAW... Some people think the law is the ceremonial law and not the 10 commandments. I will let Scripture speak for itself.
2 Co 3:7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.
Notice Scripture says the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, is the old glory that was brought to an end. It is referred to the ministry of condemnation not righteousness.
Let's talk about the COMMANDS we are to follow...
1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Father's command: Believe on the Son.
Son's command: love one another.
But what about the law?
Romans 3:18 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Which ties into this Scripture here:
Matt 22
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and first commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.
Notice it says the SECOND IS LIKE IT... it doesn't say less than it. In fact we show our love for God by our love for each other.
This ties into the Sheep/Goats methodology that Jesus talks about later.
And one more just for good measure here:
Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
If you want to go to your local assemble on Saturday so be it. But don't try to convince other people to do it. Let them be swayed by the Holy Spirit. And I don't suggest you go on Saturday because you think it will justify you and make you righteous. Anything outside of what Christ did is called self-righteousness. If you are doing it because you know you are righteous and you want to be obedient to what Holy Spirit is leading you to do that's another matter.
Also don't say that you weren't given you Scripture. I can give you many many more. It's so clear in Scripture because this is the main theme running through the entire Bible. You are justified through faith. And because you are now known by love. You love one another and this fulfills the law.
1 John 4:20 We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.
C.
No one is justified by the law. No one. Not even you.
Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Not even Pharisees who devoted their life to keeping it were justified. Even Jews by birth. Nope.
Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
What was the law for? To show you need a Savior.
Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Galatians 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
What does justified by faith look like?
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
Now let's talk about the LAW... Some people think the law is the ceremonial law and not the 10 commandments. I will let Scripture speak for itself.
2 Co 3:7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.
Notice Scripture says the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, is the old glory that was brought to an end. It is referred to the ministry of condemnation not righteousness.
Let's talk about the COMMANDS we are to follow...
1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Father's command: Believe on the Son.
Son's command: love one another.
But what about the law?
Romans 3:18 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Which ties into this Scripture here:
Matt 22
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and first commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.
Notice it says the SECOND IS LIKE IT... it doesn't say less than it. In fact we show our love for God by our love for each other.
This ties into the Sheep/Goats methodology that Jesus talks about later.
And one more just for good measure here:
Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
If you want to go to your local assemble on Saturday so be it. But don't try to convince other people to do it. Let them be swayed by the Holy Spirit. And I don't suggest you go on Saturday because you think it will justify you and make you righteous. Anything outside of what Christ did is called self-righteousness. If you are doing it because you know you are righteous and you want to be obedient to what Holy Spirit is leading you to do that's another matter.
Also don't say that you weren't given you Scripture. I can give you many many more. It's so clear in Scripture because this is the main theme running through the entire Bible. You are justified through faith. And because you are now known by love. You love one another and this fulfills the law.
1 John 4:20 We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.
C.
Hmmm, so Paul misspoke here huh?
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
A brief summary of something really does do away with it?
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
A brief summary of something really does do away with it?
K
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The confusion on this comes by how the Sabbath is now observed in the NT, as the same standards does not apply from the OT. Plus the other thing people need to look at when it comes to study by looking into the scriptures. One will see that the Apostles used Saturday to bring in new converts, and used Sunday as the day they gathered together for worship.
In reply to the Scripture you quoted, yes adultery, fornication, lying, and murder is not committed by those who love one another.
In regards to the Sabbath let me show you 2 things...
1. Matthew 5:17-48 Jesus quotes the commandments, but only 9 of them. But He doesn't bring up the Sabbath, weird I wonder why? Did you know that what Jesus has called us to now do EXCEEDS the righteousness of the Pharisees? They were told not to adultery, but Jesus says if you even look with lust you commit adultery. Jesus INCREASED the demands you see this all through out Matthew 5.
So what about increasing the Sabbath? Do you think maybe its because we are called to keep the 4th commandment every day? Not just on Saturday? Let's see if we can find Scripture for that.
2. Jesus is our Sabbath: Hebrews 4:8-10 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
If you believe and I think you do. Then congratulations you have entered God's rest. Jesus is your Sabbath. You now fulfill the 4th commandment daily.
Here is the entire Scripture for you to read over...
Hebrews 4:1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.[SUP]a[/SUP] 3For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8For if Joshua had given them rest, God[SUP]b[/SUP] would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Notice that Scripture is paralleling the 7th Day of rest with TODAY... Because it's no longer just one day that's holy, they are all made holy now.
Many people refer to the Lord's Day, which we see quite often in NT Scripture as the 8th day. 7th day God rested from His works. 8th day man rested from His works. This is the Lord's Day and it's why Sunday was chosen for local gatherings.
C.
In regards to the Sabbath let me show you 2 things...
1. Matthew 5:17-48 Jesus quotes the commandments, but only 9 of them. But He doesn't bring up the Sabbath, weird I wonder why? Did you know that what Jesus has called us to now do EXCEEDS the righteousness of the Pharisees? They were told not to adultery, but Jesus says if you even look with lust you commit adultery. Jesus INCREASED the demands you see this all through out Matthew 5.
So what about increasing the Sabbath? Do you think maybe its because we are called to keep the 4th commandment every day? Not just on Saturday? Let's see if we can find Scripture for that.
2. Jesus is our Sabbath: Hebrews 4:8-10 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
If you believe and I think you do. Then congratulations you have entered God's rest. Jesus is your Sabbath. You now fulfill the 4th commandment daily.
Here is the entire Scripture for you to read over...
Hebrews 4:1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.[SUP]a[/SUP] 3For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8For if Joshua had given them rest, God[SUP]b[/SUP] would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Notice that Scripture is paralleling the 7th Day of rest with TODAY... Because it's no longer just one day that's holy, they are all made holy now.
Many people refer to the Lord's Day, which we see quite often in NT Scripture as the 8th day. 7th day God rested from His works. 8th day man rested from His works. This is the Lord's Day and it's why Sunday was chosen for local gatherings.
C.
Any day can be a Sabbath day. You ritualize one day and make it sin in so doing.
You fail to reconcile Acts 15 with your position. Christ fulfilled the law for righteousness sake. Christ's righteousness is imputed to us by grace not by works. Why do you reject grace?
Just examining the fruit. You are robbing Christ of His glory.
I cited Acts 15 and the admission of the apostles that they and their fathers who are Israel could not keep the law and you want to imitate that behavior? If you desire a part in the resurrection unto eternal life you must receive grace. In Christ is liberty to serve God apart from the law. The law is diagnostic like an x-ray but it is not prescriptive like grace which cures the sin problem. By the shed blood of Christ is atonement made and by the grace of God that atonement is imputed to me.
Read out of the scriptures the truth that God has put there and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the marvelous grace of God. Do not read into the scriptures that which you want them to teach. Believers are not given again to bondage but abundant life in Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The One that created the universe says:
Ex20:4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
I will not seek my own path to Sanctification, I will follow His lead.
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
I will not seek my own path to Sanctification, I will follow His lead.
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."
The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.
Ex20:4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
I will not seek my own path to Sanctification, I will follow His lead.
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
I will not seek my own path to Sanctification, I will follow His lead.
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."
The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.
The Jew seeks a sign. Where are the verses that say Gentiles seek signs or need signs?
Everyday in Christ is a day of rest and worship. A Sabbath day.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Looks like "THE PROPHET" the Messiah Himself did not get the Sabbath change memo;
Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
His yoke is light, changing the Sabbath on ones own doctrine is falsehood.
For Messiah said:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom Yahweh wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
But there is no way to "experience His rest without hearing and obeying what He says." I lnow humans have been traind to automatically link "obedience" with "flesh" LOL True obedience only comes from the Spirit...
IMO His rest is freedom form the ways of the world, you and I BOTH know the stress and pain the world and it's ways cause, yet when we listen to Him the majority if not all of that stress and pain of the world has no bearing any longer.
So what Im trying to say is His words lead to His rest, how could we "come to Him" without following His path? Just Leaving it at, "His rest" that could mean anything, you know, Im not implying this on any, rather giving an example, "today I rested in His rest, watched a football game, ate some potato chips, the rest was so great I just wiped the chip grease on my shirt." Ok lol that is an extreme, but none the less minor or major example, my point remains the same.
These are the following verses after what I just posted:
Mattithyah 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."
So, not being haughty, just being open, I do not see how there was any error in saying, His rest, His words....
We can learn from this brother.
Heb 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey?So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
Heb 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "
The real rest is this:
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Revelation 21:4-8 And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."
Revelation 21:9-27, "And there came to me one of the seven malakim who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying: Come, I will show you the brides, the Lamb's wives. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Yahweh Shammah, descending out of heaven from Yahweh, Having the glory of Yahweh. And her light was similar to a most precious stone, just like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a great and high wall, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve malakim, and names written upon them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israyl: On the east, three gates; on the north, three gates; on the south, three gates, and on the west, three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he who talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and its gates, and its wall. And the city lies four square, and the length is as large as the breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand stadia; about 1,500 miles. The length, and the breadth, and the height of it are equal. And he measured its wall: a hundred and forty-four cubits, according to human measurements, that the malak was using; about 216 feet. And the construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth beryl, The fifth emerald, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth onyx, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as it were, transparent as glass. And I saw no pagan sanctuary in it; for THE Tabernacle OF YAHWEH, the body of Messiah, was in it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the glory of Yahweh does enlighten it, and its lamp is the Lamb. And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it. And the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it will not be shut at all by day, for there will be no night there. And they will bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. And there will by no means enter into it anything that defiles, nor works abomination, neither a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life."
Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."
Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of mentering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And Yahweh rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of Yahweh, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as Yahweh did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
Psalm 95, "O come, let us sing to Yahweh! Let us make a joyful shout to the Rock ofour salvation! Let us come before His presence with thanksgiving! Let us shout joyfully to Him in song! For You, O Yahweh, are our Almighty Heavenly Father, and a great King above every god! In Your hands are the depths of the earth. The heights ofthe mountains are also Yours. The sea is Yours, for You made it, and Your hands formed the dry land. Come! Let us bow down and worship! Let us kneel before You, O Yahweh our Maker! For You are our Father, and we are the people ofYour pasture, and the sheep of Your hands. Today, hear the voice of Yahweh our Father when He proclaims: Do not harden your hearts as you did at Meribah; strife and rebellion, as you did that day at Massah; testing and trial, in the wilderness, Where your fathers tempted Me and provoked Me, though they saw My work. For forty years I loathed a wicked generation, and I said; It is a people who do err in their heart, and they have not known My ways. So I vowed to them in My wrath; They will never enter My rest!"
Here is what Peter the disciple did according to Paul:
Gal 3:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
Neither Jesus nor Paul nor Peter ever commanded anyone to rest on a Sabbath day.
And as far the One who Created the Universe had to say about the Sabbath here you go:
Matthew 12:7If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
Are you not one with Christ now? Is your life not hid with Him and it is not you but Him in you that lives? Why do you quote OT Scripture to try to make yourself righteous? When the OT didn't even make the JEWS by birth righteous?
And let's really go down the rabbit hole... did you know that the 10 commandments were ONLY for the Jews so they would be shut up in sin? So that they would know the Savior when He came. And in knowing Him they would be sent to US the Gentiles?
You are now One with Christ through ABRAHAM who the Law was never given to.
Here's some Scripture for you:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
The law was never for us. It was for the JEWS under the law. Which was given by Moses!
This Scripture is actually for us before we knew Christ:
Romans 2:14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
We Gentiles who come in under Abraham NOT MOSES, were condemned by the law on our own hearts, not the law given to the Jews. So the law was never written to you or for you! That's why it's mentioned when speaking directly to Jews, but not to Gentiles. Moses is not our father. Abraham is who is the Gentiles father of faith. Which we came in through Christ.
If you want we can really go down this rabbit hole it's quite exciting.
C.
Gal 3:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
Neither Jesus nor Paul nor Peter ever commanded anyone to rest on a Sabbath day.
And as far the One who Created the Universe had to say about the Sabbath here you go:
Matthew 12:7If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
Are you not one with Christ now? Is your life not hid with Him and it is not you but Him in you that lives? Why do you quote OT Scripture to try to make yourself righteous? When the OT didn't even make the JEWS by birth righteous?
And let's really go down the rabbit hole... did you know that the 10 commandments were ONLY for the Jews so they would be shut up in sin? So that they would know the Savior when He came. And in knowing Him they would be sent to US the Gentiles?
You are now One with Christ through ABRAHAM who the Law was never given to.
Here's some Scripture for you:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
The law was never for us. It was for the JEWS under the law. Which was given by Moses!
This Scripture is actually for us before we knew Christ:
Romans 2:14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
We Gentiles who come in under Abraham NOT MOSES, were condemned by the law on our own hearts, not the law given to the Jews. So the law was never written to you or for you! That's why it's mentioned when speaking directly to Jews, but not to Gentiles. Moses is not our father. Abraham is who is the Gentiles father of faith. Which we came in through Christ.
If you want we can really go down this rabbit hole it's quite exciting.
C.
Wait, lol you just really did that? They were seeking a sign and the only sign given was the "sign of Jonah the prophet"
lol nice word play falsely connecting sign in english....
owth = mark
do you guys read this stuff off the back of a cereal box? this is so far from true its silly, clearly shown in Scripture but still the mind wont change? lol jews have to be good and gentiles get to play with satan? the mystery of iniquity is here all right.
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”