I believe there are two ways one can view Jesus teachings. Either we try and obey each and every literal command of Christ(something as I previously said I have never met any Christian who has tried to do that) Or we can view Jesus teaching as being summed up by ''Love God and love thy neighbour'' I have wondered if that is why Paul wrote. ''Carry each others burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal 6:2
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I believe there are two ways one can view Jesus teachings. Either we try and obey each and every literal command of Christ(something as I previously said I have never met any Christian who has tried to do that) Or we can view Jesus teaching as being summed up by ''Love God and love thy neighbour'' I have wondered if that is why Paul wrote. ''Carry each others burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal 6:2
So if you don't read the Bible how will you know what is required? The Bible is a literal letter.
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[SUP][c]
Heb 10:16&17[/SUP]
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I believe there are two ways one can view Jesus teachings. Either we try and obey each and every literal command of Christ(something as I previously said I have never met any Christian who has tried to do that) Or we can view Jesus teaching as being summed up by ''Love God and love thy neighbour'' I have wondered if that is why Paul wrote. ''Carry each others burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal 6:2
I agree Jesus did sum up the commandments in two. When God gave the commandments to Israel they were on two tablets. The first was commandments to God, the first four. The other were the commandments relating to man. The commandments show in what way we are to surrender to Him.
Romans 6:16 KJV
(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
This text tells us we become obedient by surrender. So God shows us things in His word which will point out our failings and we should be willing to surrender to Him.
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Jeremiah 31:33-34 KJV
(33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
That text in Hebrews was quoted from the OT
You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.I agree Jesus did sum up the commandments in two. When God gave the commandments to Israel they were on two tablets. The first was commandments to God, the first four. The other were the commandments relating to man. The commandments show in what way we are to surrender to Him.
Romans 6:16 KJV
(16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
This text tells us we become obedient by surrender. So God shows us things in His word which will point out our failings and we should be willing to surrender to Him.
2Cor3:3
I would say, if a person has to read the literal letter of commandments in order to know how God wants them to live, there is a problem.
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Laodicea
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You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone.[SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2Cor3:3
I would say, if a person has to read the literal letter of commandments in order to know how God wants them to live, there is a problem.
I would say if a christian does not want to read the words of Christ they have a problem.
I would say if a christian does not want to read the words of Christ they have a problem.
I would agree with you. However, that does not change the point I made, or your reluctance it seems to address it
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I would agree with you. However, that does not change the point I made, or your reluctance it seems to address it
I have been on CC long enough to know when someone wants to attack your posts. It looks like you are looking to do that. I am sorry if I did not answer to the exact way you want me to answer but, I did give a answer. The whole Bible are the words of Christ. If a follower of Christ has a problem with the law He gave on Sinai then they cannot be a true follower of Christ. I do not agree with keeping the law on our own strength but, in His. The law shows in what areas we are to surrender to Him. Many stories in the Bible show the result of what happens when we break His laws.
Take for example the law that says not to commit adultry, there are stories showing how bad the results of this is. To ignore the law or not read it is to miss a major point in these stories.
I have been on CC long enough to know when someone wants to attack your posts. It looks like you are looking to do that. I am sorry if I did not answer to the exact way you want me to answer but, I did give a answer. The whole Bible are the words of Christ. If a follower of Christ has a problem with the law He gave on Sinai then they cannot be a true follower of Christ. I do not agree with keeping the law on our own strength but, in His. The law shows in what areas we are to surrender to Him. Many stories in the Bible show the result of what happens when we break His laws.
Take for example the law that says not to commit adultry, there are stories showing how bad the results of this is. To ignore the law or not read it is to miss a major point in these stories.
I knew it was wrong to commit adultery before I read the ten commandments, as I knew it was wrong in God's eyes to have impure thoughts before I read those commandments or Christ's teachings. I believe that is because God placed his laws within me that he desired me to keep, on my heart and mind at the point of conversion
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I knew it was wrong to commit adultery before I read the ten commandments, as I knew it was wrong in God's eyes to have impure thoughts before I read those commandments or Christ's teachings. I believe that is because God placed his laws within me that he desired me to keep, on my heart and mind at the point of conversion
Are you saying you do not need the Bible?
Are you saying you do not need the Bible?
No way. I was never taught grace in church. Without the bible I would never have known of grace for example. But you are not responding to my points, so conversation is becoming a little difficult
I have been on CC long enough to know when someone wants to attack your posts. It looks like you are looking to do that. I am sorry if I did not answer to the exact way you want me to answer but, I did give a answer. The whole Bible are the words of Christ. If a follower of Christ has a problem with the law He gave on Sinai then they cannot be a true follower of Christ. I do not agree with keeping the law on our own strength but, in His. The law shows in what areas we are to surrender to Him. Many stories in the Bible show the result of what happens when we break His laws.
Take for example the law that says not to commit adultry, there are stories showing how bad the results of this is. To ignore the law or not read it is to miss a major point in these stories.
Do you believe a born again Christian needs to read the literal words of the ten commandments in order to know committing adultery is wrong in God's eyes?
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No way. I was never taught grace in church. Without the bible I would never have known of grace for example. But you are not responding to my points, so conversation is becoming a little difficult
You said you do not need to read His law. So then you do not need to read the Bible which has the law in many parts of it. Sin began becuse Adam & Eve broke His law. Without the law we would never know sin. Without knowing sin we would never know grace. So to say and teach we do not need to read His law is error.
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Do you believe a born again Christian needs to read the literal words of the ten commandments in order to know committing adultery is wrong in God's eyes?
If we go over all the ten commandments you would agree to 9 but not the 4th. So in that point you have not surrendered to Christ. There are many stories in the Bible about the results of breaking the sabbath of the Lord and what blessings we receive if we keep the Sabbath of the Lord.
You said you do not need to read His law. So then you do not need to read the Bible which has the law in many parts of it. Sin began becuse Adam & Eve broke His law. Without the law we would never know sin. Without knowing sin we would never know grace. So to say and teach we do not need to read His law is error.
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom 3:20
I was conscious of my sin, THE MOMENT I responded to an altar call. I had not them read Christ's teachings or the Ten Commandments.
Please answer my question. In your view must a born again Christian read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know committing adultery is wrong in God's sight?
If we go over all the ten commandments you would agree to 9 but not the 4th. So in that point you have not surrendered to Christ. There are many stories in the Bible about the results of breaking the sabbath of the Lord and what blessings we receive if we keep the Sabbath of the Lord.
I will happily answer this when you answer my question
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Do you believe a born again Christian needs to read the literal words of the ten commandments in order to know committing adultery is wrong in God's eyes?
So God went to so much trouble to give His law, the mountain looked like it was on fire, loud trumpets etc and you are saying that we do not need to read it? So God gives a law and says " by the way you don't need to read this" God gave the law to Israel? We are Israel
So God went to so much trouble to give His law, the mountain looked like it was on fire, loud trumpets etc and you are saying that we do not need to read it? So God gives a law and says " by the way you don't need to read this" God gave the law to Israel? We are Israel
Please stop evading and forthrightly answer the question. If you have your theology right you will be able to.
In your view must a born again again Christian read the literal words of the Ten Commandments in order to know committing adultery is wrong in God's sight. The answer is a simple yes or no
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Please stop evading and forthrightly answer the question. If you have your theology right you will be able to.
In your view must a born again again Christian read the literal words of the Ten Commandments in order to know committing adultery is wrong in God's sight. The answer is a simple yes or no
Romans 7:7 KJV
(7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:7 KJV
(7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
You haven't the confidence to plainly answer the question have you. You have to duck it.