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Brandon777
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There is a study that showed that people who eat fruits and vegetables more also have less of a chance of getting cancer. And I'm sure if it were culturally correct to eat the seeds in the fruit those numbers would go considerably lower.
Is it any wonder that if you eat healthy your body will be healthier? Cancer is a disease. It has to come from somewhere. And despite what you may have learned in school or from the back of vitamin bottles from messages from the FDA, vitamins and minerals DO cure many diseases. Vitamin C and scurvy, Iron and anemia, Vitamin D and Rickets, Calcium and osteoporosis, magnesium and fibromyalgia, vitamin A and blindness, iodine and gout, zink and integumentary system function etc...
The back of vitamin boxes? LOL I am a nurse btw. Vitamins do not cure anything. Vitamins can help your body to fight infection and certainly do prevent scurvy and suchlike but fruit doesn't cure cancer.
Provide a link to this study please and I will look at it.
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Brandon777
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Nurses have been indoctrinated for years so they stand firm on telling the public these tragic mistakes in health care. I'm sure the nurses in the day of Jesus laughed at washing their hands too!
Nurses are actually trained to question medical practice and to research and to improve it, I am 100% certain I know more about what nurses are trained than you do.
Just for the record....Nurses are happy (in general) for their patients to try alternative healthcare if it works or if it doesn't work but they feel like it might. Nurses always encourage people to eat fruit ad yet people still get cancer.
What you are speaking about here..b17, is not a vitamin at all it is a product found in almonds and apricot seeds called amygdalin. It is not a cure for cancer and is unfortunately toxic, prolonged use can result in cyanide poisoning.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198201283060403
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/245/6/591.short
http://www.theannals.com/content/39/9/1566.short
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Siberian_Khatru
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Brandon777
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@leelee Well okay. I conceade you know more about what nurses are trained in. And eating fruits and veggies doesn't cure cancer unless the seeds are eaten too, it just lowers the risk. If by almonds you mean the almond looking seeds inside a lot of fruits then yes amygdalin, laetrile or vitamin B-17 is in them. And it does cure cancer, it is not toxic and it does not contain bio-available cyanide. The only cells that get the cyanide are the cancer cells, that's actually why the cancer cells die off.. because of the cyanide that is only released in the presence of a certain enzyme around cancer cells.
@siberian
Yes I did know that. And while it may be wrong... I find it hilarious.
@siberian
Yes I did know that. And while it may be wrong... I find it hilarious.
You just contradicted yourself. It absolutely does contain cyanide, read the studies I posted for you. The B-17 scam has been on the go since the 50s, It still doesn't cure cancer. And I notice you have already had a thread on this where you were told the exact same thing. B-17 is not a cure for cancer. It is more likely to kill you than the cancer and if it were true that only the cancer gets the cyanide then why do peoples blood tests show cyanide levels approaching the lethal mark? If you want to help that is good but frankly what you are doing is advertising false hope that kills people.
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Kyouken
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I'm no expert in this, 'cause I still get sick sometimes and that tells me I obviously haven't believed like I should, but what about trusting and believing in God for your health? There is no cancer (or any sickness/disease) mightier than what God has done (Isaiah 53:5 says that by His stripes we were healed). Like I said, I'm no expert in that area, but praise God I'm getting there. Besides that, though, this isn't widely taught or received (as far as I know). Besides Isaiah 53:5 (and 1st Peter 2:24), there are other verses in Proverbs and Psalms that talk about healing, too (Proverbs 17:22, Psalm 42:11, Proverbs 4:20-22, etc.).
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Brandon777
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I did say that it has cyanide. But it doesn't kill healthy cells because it isn't released until in the presence of cancer cells because of a certain enzyme. That's what I said. That's not a contradiction. I don't believe it's a false hope because there's no profitable reason for people to lie about such a cure. And yes I do believe that God heals people when He wants to, but no every person and not every time because God has His reasons that we don't know about.
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Siberian_Khatru
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There isn't? Again. . .
As far as I have read up 'til now, this B-17 was proposed as a more viable preventative than a cancer-killing agent.
Amygdalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The study concluded 'Patients exposed to this agent should be instructed about the danger of cyanide poisoning, and their blood cyanide levels should be carefully monitored. Amygdalin (Laetrile) is a toxic drug that is not effective as a cancer treatment'."
Also, other interesting reads:
Vitamin B17- laetrile and amygdaline information page. All about vitamin B17 (also known as laetrile and amygdaline) and the role it plays in your diet.
Laetrile, Vitamin B-17 cancer cure, amygdalin, laetrile
I see you read the studies, well done you.
I am disappointed with the person who started this thread. (cough cough, Brandon) As he does not seem to be able to provide anything other than the misguided "documentary" to back up anything and also does not seem to read the counter evidence.
However I did not post the counter evidence for him, this is the second thread he has stared on this topic and the same facts were given to him in the first one. The reason I posted the studies is to warn off some poor unsuspecting cancer sufferer or family member, there is no reason for them to die.
Brandon you said in another post death didn't come as a surprise? Well no, it wouldn't be a surprise that if you take a "medication" with cyanide in it you will be dead.
So going by this thoery how come this happened ....A 68-year-old patient with cancer presented to the emergency department shortly after her first dose (3 g) of amygdalin with a reduced Glasgow Coma Score, seizures, and severe lactic acidosis requiring intubation and ventilation. Life-Threatening Interaction Between Complementary Medicines: Cyanide Toxicity Following Ingestion of Amygdalin and Vitamin C
How come patients exposed to this show signs of cyanide poisoning? How come their blood cyanide levels continue to go up? Admit that you are speaking tripe and admit that you have no back up.
And are you suggesting that this "medication" can thwart the will of God?
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Brandon777
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There isn't? Again. . .
As far as I have read up 'til now, this B-17 was proposed as a more viable preventative than a cancer-killing agent.
Amygdalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The study concluded 'Patients exposed to this agent should be instructed about the danger of cyanide poisoning, and their blood cyanide levels should be carefully monitored. Amygdalin (Laetrile) is a toxic drug that is not effective as a cancer treatment'."
Also, other interesting reads:
Vitamin B17- laetrile and amygdaline information page. All about vitamin B17 (also known as laetrile and amygdaline) and the role it plays in your diet.
Laetrile, Vitamin B-17 cancer cure, amygdalin, laetrile
The key word there is bio-available. That means the healthy cells don't get the toxin because it's not available to the bio. Bio referring to living. living healthy cells... like I've been saying...
All evidence becomes proof in a court of law from the trust placed in the evidence. I don't trust the source of the evidence. Why should I? I don't see the american cancer society curing anybody.
Nothing can thwart the will of God. I'm not sure what you meant by that or especially why you said it. I have no doubt in my mind that certain doctors will give false toxin levels for the sake of saving face and payroll. For the sake of the hospital. There's a motive. It's called greed and pride.
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Siberian_Khatru
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Which was thrown out and refuted by leelee, and the sources I cited. No need to take an asinine tone, especially if you're going to be hypocritical.
ok well if that were true what about the examples of people going to a an e following using b17. for the record the drs dont analise the blood work. it is done in labs and the results are in figures.
btw do you have any idea how much cancer care has come on in ths last 10 years? i am guessing you do not.
once again i am asking for a source of information since you claim that ridiculous "documentry" isnt your only one. i dont trust your source at all as it has literally no credability.
i apoligise for spelling and grammer as i am on my phone and its much harder to type on.
btw do you have any idea how much cancer care has come on in ths last 10 years? i am guessing you do not.
once again i am asking for a source of information since you claim that ridiculous "documentry" isnt your only one. i dont trust your source at all as it has literally no credability.
i apoligise for spelling and grammer as i am on my phone and its much harder to type on.
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Brandon777
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How am I being hypocritical? The reason for my tone is because I need to say the same thing again and again because you say I'm being hypocritical. If lots of people think something is true, that doesn't make it true. You're not telling me why you think your sources have credibility. I have.
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Siberian_Khatru
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That's not valid, considering this is the first time I've implied you being hypocritical. Maybe you wouldn't "need to say the same thing again and again" if you responded appropriately; leelee is still seeking validity/credible sources from you, which you've failed to provide in several of your responses.
And what is there to tell with regards to my sources' credibility? You apparently did not scrutinize my links, especially the second one I quoted here, which lists references.
Again, such hypocrisy.
eh where? saying the same thing over and over doesnt make it true. the fact you even used the word think when refering to my sources makes you sound disgracefully niave. ever heard of trials, research? well your "cure" didn't do to well. i feel sorry for you that you live in such a horrible world that you see conspirisies all over the place. and i have repeatedly tpld you why your source is nonsense. you only have one and it came frpm someone who has no knowledge or back up so i ask again. give another source.
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Brandon777
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The reason I believe my one source is because it makes sense. More sense than popular belief. I honestly don't see how looking at your sources will impact my opinion if I don't trust the people who set up the research.