The Purpose of the LawThe law was given so that man could see the condition of his relationship with God. To be acceptable to Him, we must be perfect, holy and righteous. The law shows just how imperfect, unholy and unrighteous we really are.All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. (Isaiah 64:6
We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??
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This is just cult-speak double talk. Paul said to walk in Christ as we have received him: by faith. And the last sentence is just a plain lie. Believers are dead to the law and you have the gall to blatantly misrepresent Romans 3:19 to imply that we are. Ungodly.
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Which they do You refer to? There are many theys. Remember, if God gave the law to Moses to give to the children of Israel, it might easily be called either one or both if Moses delivered that which God authored and wanted known.
Is smoking a sin ?
Where in the new testement speaks about incest ?
Thankies
you keep repeating about faith, about believing we must listen to the spirit of the Lord. It is truth, it is good. But I can't seem to get you to consider anything past that. I would so like you to think about that the Hebrew meaning of the word translated as faith was first written as a man hammering a nail in a wall, it means knowing God is so solid and truthful you can act on that truth. You know so well the faith as our English translates it, but you seem to balk at the act part, that includes the physical part of the spiritual.
I was discussing this law of Moses and someone told me that the first five book were also called the law of moses so if persons say that Moses law are done away they are saying the first five books are done away also . He is saying you then have to look for what was done away in the law of moses
Is this true that they called the first five book the law of Moses ?
i am neither here or there with it but i gave it a thought
What are you saying is the pslams the law of moses also
could you please provide the veres thanks
John 15:9-10 "As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
John 15:12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."
This is what Christ spoke to his disciples
I focus on this
John 15:12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."
This is what Christ spoke to his disciples
I focus on this
John 15:9-10 "As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
John 15:12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."
This is what Christ spoke to his disciples
You do well to do so. And you are blessed to see this.
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’? John 10:34
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psalms 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Psalms 82:6
In 2013, the law of Moses is understood as that law given on Mt Sinai. In the year the book of Galatians was written the law of Moses referred to a list of things the Jews made up as a requisite for anyone to join in worship of the one true God. It included circumcision, and this list was also called circumcision by the people who were discussing this, besides speaking of it as the law of Moses. God would not think that any of His children would ever consider that Paul would teach that we were not to listen to God, as it has been often said of Paul.
The gentiles didn't want to copy the way of the Jews, the Jews were afraid the gentiles would go back to their idol worshipping ways and take Jews with them, as often happened. It was a big deal in that century, history writes of how big a deal it was.
Paul wanted to teach gospel, not ways the Jews worshipped. Now, we take Paul to mean that God was wrong in much of what God said, not that Paul meant the gospel was what was important.
Most people don't believe that reading history counts in learning about God. So I'll be struck down for bringing this up.
Some people call the first 5 books of the bible the Torah, which basically means law. There is much more to the first 5 books of the bible, though, than just the law of Moses. Nothing in Genesis pertains to the law of Moses. The law doesn't even get mentioned until about chapter 20 in the book of Exodus.
So you are saying the pslams are the law of Moses Also Why ?
i understand what you say it is a law but is it referred to as the law of Moses ?
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA
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I do not imply that we are under the law if we keep His law. Do You not know that You are under the law only if You break it? Remember what it says in "1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
Note here that verse 12 says "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." Do You know what this means?
Also see "Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another."
Remember "
[h=3]Romans 6:15-17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you."
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA
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It may not so much matter if everyone calls it that, if everyone also knows and remembers always that it is the law of God and authored by His Spirit.
It is demons working in our church to twist and turn on scripture until they make scripture say that God is against God.
The results are that people are afraid to do anything to worship God, as it might break the commandment to worship in spirit and truth. So with fear of doing physically anything to express worship, it opens the door so it seems fine to let in a bit of doing of sin, like a bit of immodest dress. So if that is OK then we can take the next step, then the next until now we have the mess we are in.
The results are that people are afraid to do anything to worship God, as it might break the commandment to worship in spirit and truth. So with fear of doing physically anything to express worship, it opens the door so it seems fine to let in a bit of doing of sin, like a bit of immodest dress. So if that is OK then we can take the next step, then the next until now we have the mess we are in.
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Best not sacrifice for forgiveness. Otherwise, Christ cease to be one's only appeasing sacrifice.
Best not get circumcised for a Covenant with God. Otherwise, one place their self back under the Law (reward:death) and not Grace (reward: life).
Best not place one's self under the Law for their schoolmaster. Otherwise, they would miss out on the spiritual path the Spirit leads on.
The Law of God (delivered by Moses' house): given to the Hebrews for a Covenant.
The Moral Law of God: those Laws which define the essential character of God (Psalms, Proverbs, 10 Commandments).
The Law of the Spirit from Jesus Christ (delivered by the Son's house): The WHOLE Law of God MINUS those parts of that Law which Christ fulfills for those who are through His house. NAMELY: the Moral Law of God: LOVE.
A believer in Christ is dead to the law of Moses, and legally can never be under it. If we walk in the spirit we walk in love, and there is no law against love because it is the highest law. If we don't walk in the spirit, we don't walk in love, and violate that law and come under condemnation of that law. But we don't fall under the law of Moses.