We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[Kerry]

THe law points to the cross. Look, as soon as the law was given it was broken. No man has ever been capable of keeping it. The law and I mean the ten commandments or God's moral law and of course a christian will do there best to keep it. But, guess what, you can't. Thats why we need a savoir and thats why God provided one. Himself and faith placed in that sacrifice makes you righteous and not the works of yourself. Jesus said take up your cross daily and follow me. Speaking of the daily struggle against sel and the sin the nature that we were born into. Daily we must have faith in the cross and nothing else.

 

[RedTent]

can i ask you all a question, why is the law our school master to bring us to christ? what does that mean to you

That is only one small aspect of the law, Josh. It means that we need Christ for our salvation. Read Psalm 119 for other aspects of the law. Explore the world that Joshua entered with idol worship that even ordered murder of babies, and compare it to the government that God gave Joshua. Use your concordance and read every reference to law. Now see how "school master" fits all of what each of these things say, but don't limit the Lord. See it all.

 

[Josh321]

THe law points to the cross. Look, as soon as the law was given it was broken. No man has ever been capable of keeping it. The law and I mean the ten commandments or God's moral law and of course a christian will do there best to keep it. But, guess what, you can't. Thats why we need a savoir and thats why God provided one. Himself and faith placed in that sacrifice makes you righteous and not the works of yourself. Jesus said take up your cross daily and follow me. Speaking of the daily struggle against sel and the sin the nature that we were born into. Daily we must have faith in the cross and nothing else.

oh wow kerry... i was now easing up to say this lol but yes you are absolutely correct, everyone of us are born a gentile which means we are born after the likeness of sin the things contained in the commandments, we realize that the world is judged by the commandments but then we also realize no matter what we do we can't keep it so how can we become righteous and stand a chance from being thrown into the lake of fire? we cry out to God for him to fill his righteousness in us and fulfil the law in us to make us holy, and because of what christ have done for us ( those who receive christ ) that is why we must keep surrending to the cross daily remembering what God did for us and keep running back toh im constantly

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You folks talk out of both sides of your mouth. You say that GOD never changes, then say that the sacrificial law has been changed.

 

[Isdaniel]

oh wow kerry... i was now easing up to say this lol but yes you are absolutely correct, everyone of us are born a gentile which means we are born after the likeness of sin the things contained in the commandments, we realize that the world is judged by the commandments but then we also realize no matter what we do we can't keep it so how can we become righteous and stand a chance from being thrown into the lake of fire? we cry out to God for him to fill his righteousness in us and fulfil the law in us to make us holy, and because of what christ have done for us ( those who receive christ ) that is why we must keep surrending to the cross daily remembering what God did for us and keep running back toh im constantly

Why try to keep the 9 then hmmm naughty naughty

 

[Josh321]

Why try to keep the 9 then hmmm naughty naughty

sigh, forget it lol all of this law talk is giving me a headache i'm off to bed

 

[Isdaniel]

That is only one small aspect of the law, Josh. It means that we need Christ for our salvation. Read Psalm 119 for other aspects of the law. Explore the world that Joshua entered with idol worship that even ordered murder of babies, and compare it to the government that God gave Joshua. Use your concordance and read every reference to law. Now see how "school master" fits all of what each of these things say, but don't limit the Lord. See it all.

school master was not the ten commadments

Galatians 3

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

If it is the ten commandments spoken of here why then try to keep 9 hmmmmm we are not under the school master right

What law was trangressed for the this sacrificial law to to be added hmmm guess the ten commadments was trangressed or broken

 

[Hizikyah]

You folks talk out of both sides of your mouth. You say that GOD never changes, then say that the sacrificial law has been changed.

You twist, the Sacrificial LAWS were always for the true Passover Lamb, Yahshua, I Sacrificed that innocent man, one time, never again, the Law is not done away, I was born 2000 years later, if it were done away how could I accept? and I feel terrible for my sins causing that, I want to now turn in obedience to show Yahweh I am grateful for His mercy.

halleluYAHWEH for His mercy abounds!

 

[Isdaniel]

sigh, forget it lol all of this law talk is giving me a headache i'm off to bed

yip the truth canot be twisted hope you count many grace hmmmmm

hey dont take God name in vain ok hm that was our school master hmmm but we are not under the school master an more hmmm take care sleep tight hopre the law do bite you tonite

 

[Hizikyah]

sigh, forget it lol all of this law talk is giving me a headache i'm off to bed

I answered your question, will you answer mine from the last page?

I would like to also ask you a question...

What does that passage mean (Rev 22:12-15)

And why would the Messiah say nothing will change from the Law and we should follow it (He says this more than a few times) if we should now cast it aside? He said His words will last forever....

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

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Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

 

[cfultz3]

you have only offered darkness hmm

I love Daniel. There is no darkness in love. God is love. Don't reject love.

 

[RedTent]

school master was not the ten commadments

Galatians 3

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

If it is the ten commandments spoken of here why then try to keep 9 hmmmmm we are not under the school master right

What law was trangressed for the this sacrificial law to to be added hmmm guess the ten commadments was trangressed or broken

Many are reading this to say that being we are not under the schoolmaster we are not under the law. They reason that if we are not under the law we can toss the law out. The only reason we know that isn't what God meant is that all scripture breathes God, and God is one. All scripture reflects the oneness of God, so every scripture must fit together with every other scripture. God would not say to toss out God. So we then can know that if we are not under the schoolmaster, but under faith, then it is through faith that we are saved. That sends us straight to Christ, so if Christ saves us from sin, and the law tells us what sin is, it must mean that we are saved from sin. We know that if we have faith, but not enough faith in what Christ tells us to act on it the faith doesn't count. That sends us right back to the law, and it also says that the law doesn't do the work of saving us, Christ does.

 

[Kerry]

I answered your question, will you answer mine from the last page?


Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

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Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

Read Romans closely and there you will find "His Law" not the the one that Moses gave. If you think not, Abraham didn't have it, nor did Issac nor did Jacob, But He is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Hint, it is faith in the cross, thats what Abraham had faith in and not law cause he had no law.

 

[RedTent]

You folks talk out of both sides of your mouth. You say that GOD never changes, then say that the sacrificial law has been changed.

That isn't both sides of our mouth. It is God's plan of redemption that God had from the beginning. Christ sacrificed to save us from sin, and Christ is God. That sacrifice was from the beginning, it was completed in our kind of time. 4,000 years went by with the sacrificial system a shadow of what Christ did in our time. We are saved by the blood. We use Christ's blood, the actual blood. For 4,000 years the blood of animals was used to represent that blood, it needed to be completed by Christ. It would be foolish and wrong to use the blood of animals for Christ's blood. The fact that Christ's blood saves us stays the same for those 4,000 years, and the 2,000 years since Christ.

 

[Hizikyah]

Read Romans closely and there you will find "His Law" not the the one that Moses gave. If you think not, Abraham didn't have it, nor did Issac nor did Jacob, But He is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Hint, it is faith in the cross, thats what Abraham had faith in and not law cause he had no law.

Really?, read closely and you will find it is Yahweh's Law.

The law of sin and death is the works of the world.

Romans 7:7, "7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."

Romans 7:14, "For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

the truth is there if you will accept it.

 

[Isdaniel]

I love Daniel. There is no darkness in love. God is love. Don't reject love.

Hmm that is where we are different there is darkness in the devils love hmmm


God love is no darkness there is a difference

i love truth not lies and foolish doctrine as keep 9 and leave out the other


again
Isaiah 8:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. It did not say jews alone did it


Isaiah 8:20

King James Version (KJV)

20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Isdaniel]

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Moses Law​

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Ten Commandments​

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Placed in the side of the ark​

DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the arkof the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.​

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Placed inside the ark​

EXO. 40:20 And he took andput the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark: ​

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Ended at the cross​

EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. ​

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Will stand forever​

LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.​

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Added because of sin​

GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.​

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Points out sin​

ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.​

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Contrary to us, against us​

COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.​

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Not grievous​

1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and hiscommandments are not grievous.​

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[RedTent]

Read Romans closely and there you will find "His Law" not the the one that Moses gave. If you think not, Abraham didn't have it, nor did Issac nor did Jacob, But He is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Hint, it is faith in the cross, thats what Abraham had faith in and not law cause he had no law.

You are mistaken when you say that law is only what was written for Moses. The law is a spiritual fact, a part of God, in the spiritual make up of our world. It was put into place on the first day of creation when God looked at the darkness that was the earth, the darkness of misery and confusion, and said let there by light, the light of peace, goodness, and security. The words of the law were first given to men to memorize, later to write. Moses wrote ways man can express them as a constitution for the land God gave the Hebrews.

 

[Rockbysea]

Those who know the law as only the spirit of God within them (which it is, just not ONLY) were not only unable to see past this to look at the law itself,

Do you realize what you just said… you who teach that God made the earth in His image?

“The law is only the spirit of God within them.” You mean the law is only the Holy Spirit within them…That’s right… it’s not that big a deal… it’s not enough to have God Almighty Himself dwelling within you... God who is the Law (the nature of God). You are actually saying that people are unable to see past God who dwells within them (God is blocking the way) to see His Law (nature). God within them is keeping them from seeing His nature. You’re saying that people need to look past God's nature within themselves and look to you to see your butchered version of the old national contract that God didn’t give you the permission to butcher in the first place. Some warped nature resulting from a contract that you created yourself.

And that is what you have within you… not God and His nature but a butchered contract that you created that you want people to place within themselves instead of the perfect “spirit of God within them.” Well that's not going to happen because God won't let it happen.... He's not going to allow RedTent's butchered version of His old contract to replace Himself. Is it any wonder you teach that the earth was created in God's image?

 

[RedTent]

Do you realize what you just said… you who teach that God made the earth in His image?

“The law is only the spirit of God within them.” You mean the law is only the Holy Spirit within them…That’s right… it’s not that big a deal… it’s not enough to have God Almighty Himself dwelling within you... God who is the Law (the nature of God). You are actually saying that people are unable to see past God who dwells within them (God is blocking the way) to see His Law (nature). God within them is keeping them from seeing His nature. You’re saying that people need to look past God's nature within themselves and look to you to see your butchered version of the old national contract that God didn’t give you the permission to butcher in the first place. Some warped nature resulting from a contract that you created yourself.

And that is what you have within you… not God and His nature but a butchered contract that you created that you want people to place within themselves instead of the perfect “spirit of God within them.” Well that's not going to happen because God won't let it happen.... He's not going to allow RedTent's butchered version of His old contract to replace Himself. Is it any wonder you teach that the earth was created in God's image?

Are you saying that God butchered the old national contract when he wrote scripture? Did I somehow create scripture? How could anyone do that! Or are you saying that the Holy Spirit and scripture doesn't agree? If God is within us, wouldn't scripture agree with what the Holy Spirit says? How have I butchered?